Game 11: 49ers at Packers - 11/24/24 - 3:25 - Fox

[LUKE23]

Packers are 6th in total DVOA.

Rank:

DET
BAL
BUF
MIN
PHI
GB

NFC playoffs is going to be tough this year. To me, my biggest concerns are Love’s recklessness and the lack of pass rush. But the running game is strong. If Love can play mistake free football we will be tough out. But again - he should have had two bad INT yesterday.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't need stats to tell me Love has had too many 'what did you see, why on earth did you throw that ball?' plays.

He's never going to be Rodgers as far as turn over avoidance and I'm fine with some of his 3rd down gamble throws but there definitely some things to clean up he's going to win at the highest level against good teams where that 1 bad decision can be the game.

Heck I can live with the physical mistakes where he simply makes a bad throw, it's the mental ones he needs to clean up.

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[Treebeard]

Mark Schlereth (who I usually can't stand) made what I thought was a good comment about Love. It was to the effect that since he's been paid, he needs to stop trying to prove he's worthy of that paycheck. He had already justified the payday. Basically, just play to his strengths and his teammates strength to win games. (That was my interpretation of Schlereth's words)

[MVP2110]

In non Jordan Love news, Quay Walker was PFF's highest graded Packer yesterday, awesome to see him finally have a great game. Van Ness also graded very highly. Josh Jacobs forced 12 missed tackles. Brutal games from Sean Rhyan & Carrington Valentine.

[coolhandluke121]

Quay did look good. I found myself doing a double-take on several occasions because it feels like it's been a long, LONG time since he looked like anything but a chicken running around with its head cut off out there.

Dropped another easy-ass pick, but I don't hate on him for those as much as some fans do. I get that it's frustrating in the sense of missing an opportunity, but it doesn't make me feel like he's not doing his job out there - something I have felt many times over the last couple seasons.

[RRyder823]

Packers are 6th in total DVOA.

Rank:

DET
BAL
BUF
MIN
PHI
GB

NFC playoffs is going to be tough this year. To me, my biggest concerns are Love’s recklessness and the lack of pass rush. But the running game is strong. If Love can play mistake free football we will be tough out. But again - he should have had two bad INT yesterday.

He had the one bad throw that Watson broke up. What was the other one you're talking about?

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[coolhandluke121]

Packers are 6th in total DVOA.

Rank:

DET
BAL
BUF
MIN
PHI
GB

NFC playoffs is going to be tough this year. To me, my biggest concerns are Love’s recklessness and the lack of pass rush. But the running game is strong. If Love can play mistake free football we will be tough out. But again - he should have had two bad INT yesterday.

He had the one bad throw that Watson broke up. What was the other one you're talking about?

He threw that ridiculous wounded duck behind Doubs on a slant. It was tipped way up in the air and could have easily been picked. I can't remember a third one, and maybe I'm thinking about that free play in the end zone so it's hard to blame him for that (but what if it had actually been just a penalty on the Packers?), but he was definitely lucky not to have two picks.

Also, he was holding the ball with just one hand while escaping pressure and was extremely lucky that the bobble/fumble bounced right back into his hand.

[RRyder823]

Packers are 6th in total DVOA.

Rank:

DET
BAL
BUF
MIN
PHI
GB

NFC playoffs is going to be tough this year. To me, my biggest concerns are Love’s recklessness and the lack of pass rush. But the running game is strong. If Love can play mistake free football we will be tough out. But again - he should have had two bad INT yesterday.

He had the one bad throw that Watson broke up. What was the other one you're talking about?

He threw that ridiculous wounded duck behind Doubs on a slant. It was tipped way up in the air and could have easily been picked. I can't remember a third one, and maybe I'm thinking about that free play in the end zone so it's hard to blame him for that (but what if it had actually been just a penalty on the Packers?), but he was definitely lucky not to have two picks.

Also, he was holding the ball with just one hand while escaping pressure and was extremely lucky that the bobble/fumble bounced right back into his hand.

So you're including a tipped ball? That's not really a "wtf" kind of a throw. Also that "tip" was by Doubs himself. It went right through his hands. Sure the placement could've been slightly better but if that had been picked that would've 100% been on Doubs

And the one in the endzone i put in the "good" category. He knew he had a free play, they went fast that play and knew he had one so if nothings there just throw it up. Hell when everyone ended up being covered and he started scrambling i was even saying just throw it up. Its a risk free play

You can say lucky not to have two picks but he really only had the 1 bad throw

I agree he didn't have wasn't all that great yesterday but it wasnt because he was making dangerous throws all day (outside of the one).

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[Ron Swanson]

Love was very good AND he needs to take care of the ball better. This has been a recurring issue all season, so I'm not sure what we're doing here. Was satisfying to beat the Niners in the same way that San Fran has beaten us in the past (running the ball down their throats). Don't care about the injury excuses. Brock **** Purdy wasn't making the outcome any different here. We throttled them and only gave up 44 yards on the ground. Even a fully healthy Niners squad isn't on our level right now.

[raysbookclub]

I love the game balls after wins. That's been so fun to watch.

I watch them too, they're fun. If I were doing an impression of LaFleur, I'd constantly say, "Give it up for yourselves" to get people to clap. At first it was annoying, but now I lol when he says it, cuz it's every time.

[coolhandluke121]

He had the one bad throw that Watson broke up. What was the other one you're talking about?

He threw that ridiculous wounded duck behind Doubs on a slant. It was tipped way up in the air and could have easily been picked. I can't remember a third one, and maybe I'm thinking about that free play in the end zone so it's hard to blame him for that (but what if it had actually been just a penalty on the Packers?), but he was definitely lucky not to have two picks.

Also, he was holding the ball with just one hand while escaping pressure and was extremely lucky that the bobble/fumble bounced right back into his hand.

So you're including a tipped ball? That's not really a "wtf" kind of a throw. Also that "tip" was by Doubs himself. It went right through his hands. Sure the placement could've been slightly better but if that had been picked that would've 100% been on Doubs

It's fair to say that that wasn't a reckless throw, but exactly 0.00% of the blame goes to Doubs on a ball that awful. It was such a wonky throw that it was practically uncatchable even after a tip slowed it down. It was practically a line drive end-over-end kick.

He wasn't especially undisciplined yesterday, although I do think he sought the long ball a little too much, but those two should-have-been picks and the bobble that magically fell right back into his hands were still 3 to's that he was very fortunate not to have. In light of what's been going on the rest of the year, it's hard not to be highly skeptical of his commitment to protecting the football.

[jute2003]

Love hasn't been perfect and he's been a little erratic this year. That is fair.

old opinions die hard. Many of the loudest critics(not all) were the loudest critics early last season. I imagine they'd be bitching regardless.

The offense has been good and Love hasn't been perfect. He's been good enough so far and has shown in the past that he can be even better though. He is also relatively inexperienced and has had a couple injuries causing havoc on his season. I feel pretty good about him finishing strong. Again

[RRyder823]

He threw that ridiculous wounded duck behind Doubs on a slant. It was tipped way up in the air and could have easily been picked. I can't remember a third one, and maybe I'm thinking about that free play in the end zone so it's hard to blame him for that (but what if it had actually been just a penalty on the Packers?), but he was definitely lucky not to have two picks.

Also, he was holding the ball with just one hand while escaping pressure and was extremely lucky that the bobble/fumble bounced right back into his hand.

So you're including a tipped ball? That's not really a "wtf" kind of a throw. Also that "tip" was by Doubs himself. It went right through his hands. Sure the placement could've been slightly better but if that had been picked that would've 100% been on Doubs

It's fair to say that that wasn't a reckless throw, but exactly 0.00% of the blame goes to Doubs on a ball that awful. It was such a wonky throw that it was practically uncatchable even after a tip slowed it down. It was practically a line drive end-over-end kick.

He wasn't especially undisciplined yesterday, although I do think he sought the long ball a little too much, but those two should-have-been picks and the bobble that magically fell right back into his hands were still 3 to's that he was very fortunate not to have. In light of what's been going on the rest of the year, it's hard not to be highly skeptical of his commitment to protecting the football.

The ball was tipped yes..... By Doubs. The ball was slightly behind him but still what should of been a pretty routine catch.

Yes ball security is an issue. He had 1 TO worthy play yesterday. Adding on to that with a ball that bounced off his WRs hands and a fumble that never was is reaching



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[humanrefutation]

I criticized Rodgers for being too risk-averse. Love is almost too risk-tolerant. Even some of his successes have come with throws into double or triple coverage, relying on his receivers to make a great play on the ball.

Ultimately, he's not anywhere close to Favre in that respect, so I guess I'm grading Love on a curve. I don't mind him making those kinds of deep throws where it's a 50-50 ball. I just can't stomach the bad picks like the game ender against San Fran in the playoffs last year or the pick he nearly threw last night. That **** needs to be excised from his game to whatever degree is possible.

[coolhandluke121]

So you're including a tipped ball? That's not really a "wtf" kind of a throw. Also that "tip" was by Doubs himself. It went right through his hands. Sure the placement could've been slightly better but if that had been picked that would've 100% been on Doubs

It's fair to say that that wasn't a reckless throw, but exactly 0.00% of the blame goes to Doubs on a ball that awful. It was such a wonky throw that it was practically uncatchable even after a tip slowed it down. It was practically a line drive end-over-end kick.

He wasn't especially undisciplined yesterday, although I do think he sought the long ball a little too much, but those two should-have-been picks and the bobble that magically fell right back into his hands were still 3 to's that he was very fortunate not to have. In light of what's been going on the rest of the year, it's hard not to be highly skeptical of his commitment to protecting the football.

The ball was tipped yes..... By Doubs. The ball was slightly behind him but still what should of been a pretty routine catch.

Yes ball security is an issue. He had 1 TO worthy play yesterday. Adding on to that with a ball that bounced off his WRs hands and a fumble that never was is reaching

Did you see how wobbly that pass was? It was literally the worst duck I've seen in over 30 years of watching football regularly. You can't catch that sh**. Think of how many times a fumble is hard to corral because of the point of the ball being all over the place, and now imagine a line drive moving like 20 times faster.

And the fumble essentially did happen, but he bobbled it right back into has hands. A few millimeters difference in the angle of the pass rusher's swipe and the ball goes in a different direction.

Bottom line, a number of us are talking about him having one of his best games of the season (which might be true by default) and he was still this close to having 3 turnovers in a game against a beleaguered, defeated team with his running game carrying the offense and his job being just to not screw it up. It just speaks to how careless he's been with the ball all year that we're looking at this as a sign of progress.

I've been consistent all along, even during last year's run when I said that the OL, RBs, WRs, TEs, and especially the coaches weren't getting nearly enough credit for his success. I've argued that the same thing happened with Aaron's last two MVP seasons in GB IMO, masking clear signs of decline in his skills, so it's not just that I'm a Love skeptic. Maybe I'm just sick of QBs being deified, but the way the rules have changed to allow scrubs to put up passer ratings that would have been MVP-worthy 30 years ago should also dramatically raise expectations for performance and ball security.

[RRyder823]

It's fair to say that that wasn't a reckless throw, but exactly 0.00% of the blame goes to Doubs on a ball that awful. It was such a wonky throw that it was practically uncatchable even after a tip slowed it down. It was practically a line drive end-over-end kick.

He wasn't especially undisciplined yesterday, although I do think he sought the long ball a little too much, but those two should-have-been picks and the bobble that magically fell right back into his hands were still 3 to's that he was very fortunate not to have. In light of what's been going on the rest of the year, it's hard not to be highly skeptical of his commitment to protecting the football.

The ball was tipped yes..... By Doubs. The ball was slightly behind him but still what should of been a pretty routine catch.

Yes ball security is an issue. He had 1 TO worthy play yesterday. Adding on to that with a ball that bounced off his WRs hands and a fumble that never was is reaching

Did you see how wobbly that pass was? It was literally the worst duck I've seen in over 30 years of watching football regularly. You can't catch that sh**. Think of how many times a fumble is hard to corral because of the point of the ball being all over the place, and now imagine a line drive moving like 20 times faster.

And the fumble essentially did happen, but he bobbled it right back into has hands. A few millimeters difference in the angle of the pass rusher's swipe and the ball goes in a different direction.

Bottom line, a number of us are talking about him having one of his best games of the season (which might be true by default) and he was still this close to having 3 turnovers in a game against a beleaguered, defeated team with his running game carrying the offense and his job being just to not screw it up. It just speaks to how careless he's been with the ball all year that we're looking at this as a sign of progress.

I've been consistent all along, even during last year's run when I said that the OL, RBs, WRs, TEs, and especially the coaches weren't getting nearly enough credit for his success. I've argued that the same thing happened with Aaron's last two MVP seasons in GB IMO, masking clear signs of decline in his skills, so it's not just that I'm a Love skeptic. Maybe I'm just sick of QBs being deified, but the way the rules have changed to allow scrubs to put up passer ratings that would have been MVP-worthy 30 years ago should also dramatically raise expectations for performance and ball security.

Is the All 22 video released yet? Cause I honestly don't remember that ball being tipped before it got to Doubs. It was tipped by Doubs and then become the "wounded duck"

If you could share it I'll retract my statement. Untill then I'll hold to that being on Doubs and Love had 1 TO worthy play. Yes the almost fumble is worth them pointing out on film study. No I don't think you get to point it out as evidence he was being careless or that you get to add ot to his TO worthy plays. Reed also had a play were the ball damn near popped out that has disappeared into the abyss.

I do agree that our QBs shouldn't be and aren't above reproach. I simply think your picking out a few poor plays to highlight.

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[BUCKnation]

Kind of funny PFF’s top performers on defense were basically all guys who’ve had a rough year or have been getting picked on (Quay, LVN, Bullard, Nixon), hopefully it’s a jump off point for them.

[coolhandluke121]

Is the All 22 video released yet? Cause I honestly don't remember that ball being tipped before it got to Doubs. It was tipped by Doubs and then become the "wounded duck"

I've tried looking for it, but I wouldn't know where to find it. I do distinctly remember Brady pointing out that it came out of Love's hand wrong, and there was a really good slow-mo replay confirming that.

I can walk back the implication that he was careless yesterday, although criticizing yesterday's decisions wasn't really my intention. It was more nuanced, like "Hey, we're talking about yesterday as a good game for him, but he still could have easily turned it over three times, which goes to show that he's lowered the bar a lot this year with his reckless decisions."