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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread – (EC - PotW - Wk 1) 

Post#301 » by Bar Fight » Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:50 pm

bisme37 wrote:JT out-bigging bigs

Top 10 highest FG% in the restricted area this season (min. 65 attempts):
T-1: Jayson Tatum - 76.5%
T-1: Daniel Gafford - 76.5%
3. Jarrett Allen - 75.9%
4. Domantas Sabonis - 75.3%
5. Pascal Siakam - 74.9%
6. Jalen Duren - 74.3%
7. Anthony Davis - 73.7%
8. Nikola Vucevic - 73.0%
9. Rudy Gobert - 72.6%
10. Giannis Antetokounmpo - 72.5%

https://old.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1gzht0h/jayson_tatum_is_the_only_nonbig_in_the_top_10/

Seems like he should be looking to get to the rim more
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Post#302 » by Fierce1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:07 am

Bar Fight wrote:
bisme37 wrote:JT out-bigging bigs

Top 10 highest FG% in the restricted area this season (min. 65 attempts):
T-1: Jayson Tatum - 76.5%
T-1: Daniel Gafford - 76.5%
3. Jarrett Allen - 75.9%
4. Domantas Sabonis - 75.3%
5. Pascal Siakam - 74.9%
6. Jalen Duren - 74.3%
7. Anthony Davis - 73.7%
8. Nikola Vucevic - 73.0%
9. Rudy Gobert - 72.6%
10. Giannis Antetokounmpo - 72.5%

https://old.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1gzht0h/jayson_tatum_is_the_only_nonbig_in_the_top_10/

Seems like he should be looking to get to the rim more

And risk getting injured from the pounding?

So far JT's formula for success has given him success, so why change?

Even the great MJ opted for jumpers, instead of always driving to the basket, as he got older.

The key is not to take bad shots.

JT is shooting better than Klay from 3 this season and Klay does not really take bad shots.

It's just a case of JT taking low % shots that makes him look bad.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread – (EC - PotW - Wk 1) 

Post#303 » by Bar Fight » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:45 am

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Bar Fight wrote:
bisme37 wrote:JT out-bigging bigs

Top 10 highest FG% in the restricted area this season (min. 65 attempts):
T-1: Jayson Tatum - 76.5%
T-1: Daniel Gafford - 76.5%
3. Jarrett Allen - 75.9%
4. Domantas Sabonis - 75.3%
5. Pascal Siakam - 74.9%
6. Jalen Duren - 74.3%
7. Anthony Davis - 73.7%
8. Nikola Vucevic - 73.0%
9. Rudy Gobert - 72.6%
10. Giannis Antetokounmpo - 72.5%

https://old.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1gzht0h/jayson_tatum_is_the_only_nonbig_in_the_top_10/

Seems like he should be looking to get to the rim more

And risk getting injured from the pounding?

So far JT's formula for success has given him success, so why change?

Even the great MJ opted for jumpers, instead of always driving to the basket, as he got older.

The key is not to take bad shots.

JT is shooting better than Klay from 3 this season and Klay does not really take bad shots.

It's just a case of JT taking low % shots that makes him look bad.

The closest he's gotten to getting hurt so far has been getting undercut on threes lol
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread – (EC - PotW - Wk 1) 

Post#304 » by Fierce1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:29 am

Bar Fight wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Bar Fight wrote:Seems like he should be looking to get to the rim more

And risk getting injured from the pounding?

So far JT's formula for success has given him success, so why change?

Even the great MJ opted for jumpers, instead of always driving to the basket, as he got older.

The key is not to take bad shots.

JT is shooting better than Klay from 3 this season and Klay does not really take bad shots.

It's just a case of JT taking low % shots that makes him look bad.

The closest he's gotten to getting hurt so far has been getting undercut on threes lol

We already saw JB missing games from a hip injury.

Chet has a fracture in the pelvis region.

AD hurt his eyes a few weeks ago.

And Giannis didn't play against the Heat because of a knee issue.

The point is basketball is a contact sport and injuries are more frequently happening nowadays.

So if the Cs keep winning and JT is productive, there's no need for him to become a beast in the paint.
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Post#305 » by phincsfan » Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:10 pm

Are we trying to get bad juju going?? :lol:
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Post#306 » by Fierce1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:22 pm

phincsfan wrote:Are we trying to get bad juju going?? :lol:

You don't need juju for an injury to happen if the player keeps getting pounded.

IMO, JT is just being smart by not going all in all the time.
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Post#307 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:24 pm

Per shotcreator.com:

Tatum on stepbacks: 14/51 (27.5% FG%, 40.2 eFG%)
Curry on stepbacks: 17/31 (54.8% FG%, 75.8% eFG%)

2023-24: 68/194 (35.1% FG%, 47.9% eFG%)
2022-23: 46/129 (35.7 FG%, 50.8% eFG%)
2021-22: 54/137 (39.4% FG%, 53.6% eFG%)
2020-21: 67/156 (42.9% FG%, 56.4% eFG%)
2019-20: 67/145 (46.2% FG%, 60.3% eFG%)

So if we just reverse the timeline, we can clearly see that Tatum has been improving with his stepbacks!
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Post#308 » by djFan71 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:51 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Per shotcreator.com:

Tatum on stepbacks: 14/51 (27.5% FG%, 40.2 eFG%)
Curry on stepbacks: 17/31 (54.8% FG%, 75.8% eFG%)

2023-24: 68/194 (35.1% FG%, 47.9% eFG%)
2022-23: 46/129 (35.7 FG%, 50.8% eFG%)
2021-22: 54/137 (39.4% FG%, 53.6% eFG%)
2020-21: 67/156 (42.9% FG%, 56.4% eFG%)
2019-20: 67/145 (46.2% FG%, 60.3% eFG%)

So if we just reverse the timeline, we can clearly see that Tatum has been improving with his stepbacks!

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Post#309 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:54 pm

djFan71 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Per shotcreator.com:

Tatum on stepbacks: 14/51 (27.5% FG%, 40.2 eFG%)
Curry on stepbacks: 17/31 (54.8% FG%, 75.8% eFG%)

2023-24: 68/194 (35.1% FG%, 47.9% eFG%)
2022-23: 46/129 (35.7 FG%, 50.8% eFG%)
2021-22: 54/137 (39.4% FG%, 53.6% eFG%)
2020-21: 67/156 (42.9% FG%, 56.4% eFG%)
2019-20: 67/145 (46.2% FG%, 60.3% eFG%)

So if we just reverse the timeline, we can clearly see that Tatum has been improving with his stepbacks!

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Nice. Nolan's Memento or Tenet works too. :D
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Post#310 » by djFan71 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:15 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Per shotcreator.com:

Tatum on stepbacks: 14/51 (27.5% FG%, 40.2 eFG%)
Curry on stepbacks: 17/31 (54.8% FG%, 75.8% eFG%)

2023-24: 68/194 (35.1% FG%, 47.9% eFG%)
2022-23: 46/129 (35.7 FG%, 50.8% eFG%)
2021-22: 54/137 (39.4% FG%, 53.6% eFG%)
2020-21: 67/156 (42.9% FG%, 56.4% eFG%)
2019-20: 67/145 (46.2% FG%, 60.3% eFG%)

So if we just reverse the timeline, we can clearly see that Tatum has been improving with his stepbacks!

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Nice. Nolan's Memento or Tenet works too. :D

Better movies too. Maybe Tatum could tattoo himself a reminder that he's an elite shooter on stepbacks?
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Post#311 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:27 am

Read on Twitter

The dropoff is on defense. Cs allow just 1.104 pts/possession when JT is ON the floor. Would be good for 7th in the league. They allow 1.183 pts/possession when he is OFF the floor. That would drop them to 26th on defense.
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Post#312 » by Homerclease » Sun Dec 1, 2024 1:33 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:
Read on Twitter

The dropoff is on defense. Cs allow just 1.104 pts/possession when JT is ON the floor. Would be good for 7th in the league. They allow 1.183 pts/possession when he is OFF the floor. That would drop them to 26th on defense.

If we had Lonnie Walker, this wouldn’t be a problem
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Post#313 » by Fierce1 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:46 am

JT now 38% from 3pt land after the Cavs game.

If JT can end the season at 38% from 3 then that's good enough.
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Post#314 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Dec 2, 2024 9:33 pm

Slow starts to the season are now a thing of the past.

via @celtics_stats:

"Jayson Tatum has logged the 2nd-most games of 30+ points (11) through the first 20 games of a Celtics season.

1. John Havlicek (1970-71) – 12
2. Jayson Tatum (2024-25) – 11
3. Jayson Tatum (2022-23) – 10
4. Jayson Tatum (2023-24) – 9
Paul Pierce (2001-02) – 9"
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Post#315 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Dec 3, 2024 4:23 am

First 13 games: 62.8% TS%
Last 8 games: 56.2% TS%

Mini-slump.
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Post#316 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Dec 3, 2024 4:46 am

Only 38% of Tatum FGM this year are assisted. By comparison in 2017-2018, his rookie year, 66% of JT field goals made were assisted. The Ime Udoka year (2021-22), 47% of JT’s makes were off assists.

38% of his baskets are assisted this year, just seems needlessly low. His efficiency could improve if he got setup in higher percentage spots instead of having to dance so much with the ball to get looks. When you look at the role players JT has clicked with, he’s not really had a good passer (outside of Rob) to play off… so this actually a little bit of a hope with Scheierman versus Hauser or Walsh is how much better a passer Baylor is… if he turns out to actually be an NBA player, that he can develop into a more Joe Ingles type of wing, that can get JT a couple of easier, assisted hoops.
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Post#317 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue Dec 3, 2024 1:01 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Only 38% of Tatum FGM this year are assisted. By comparison in 2017-2018, his rookie year, 66% of JT field goals made were assisted. The Ime Udoka year (2021-22), 47% of JT’s makes were off assists.

38% of his baskets are assisted this year, just seems needlessly low. His efficiency could improve if he got setup in higher percentage spots instead of having to dance so much with the ball to get looks. When you look at the role players JT has clicked with, he’s not really had a good passer (outside of Rob) to play off… so this actually a little bit of a hope with Scheierman versus Hauser or Walsh is how much better a passer Baylor is… if he turns out to actually be an NBA player, that he can develop into a more Joe Ingles type of wing, that can get JT a couple of easier, assisted hoops.

38% is fine considering his role. Most guys with his type of usage are even lower which makes sense because the best player is tasked with creating easy shots for everybody else, not the other way around (the goal is to optimize the team's efficiency not Tatum's). SGA, Maxey, Murray, Lillard, Harden, Simons, Brunson, Cunningham, DeRozan, Fox, Ball, Doncic, Young, Mitchell and Antetokounmpo all rank worse than him by that metric.
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Post#318 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Dec 3, 2024 5:04 pm

38% is probably fine but not ideal.

Giannis is 2020-21, when the Bucks were a superior team, had 41% of his buckets assisted.
2021-22 Steph was 47% baskets assisted
Pierce in 07-08 was 47% assisted
Dirk in 2010-11 was 61% assisted
Even 2000-01 Allen Iverson was 42% of his made baskets assisted

So 38% probably fine, could be better imo.

Even Tatum just two seasons ago, on the 2022-23 team with Smart and Rob, 55% of Tatum’s makes were assisted. So… I just want Tatum to get some easier hoops, lol

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redslastlaugh wrote:Only 38% of Tatum FGM this year are assisted. By comparison in 2017-2018, his rookie year, 66% of JT field goals made were assisted. The Ime Udoka year (2021-22), 47% of JT’s makes were off assists.

38% of his baskets are assisted this year, just seems needlessly low. His efficiency could improve if he got setup in higher percentage spots instead of having to dance so much with the ball to get looks. When you look at the role players JT has clicked with, he’s not really had a good passer (outside of Rob) to play off… so this actually a little bit of a hope with Scheierman versus Hauser or Walsh is how much better a passer Baylor is… if he turns out to actually be an NBA player, that he can develop into a more Joe Ingles type of wing, that can get JT a couple of easier, assisted hoops.

38% is fine considering his role. Most guys with his type of usage are even lower which makes sense because the best player is tasked with creating easy shots for everybody else, not the other way around (the goal is to optimize the team's efficiency not Tatum's). SGA, Maxey, Murray, Lillard, Harden, Simons, Brunson, Cunningham, DeRozan, Fox, Ball, Doncic, Young, Mitchell and Antetokounmpo all rank worse than him by that metric.
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Post#319 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Dec 3, 2024 9:00 pm

Congrats JT on another PotM! (I lost count.)
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He also won it this time last year.

Side note: Jokic was robbed. He shouldn’t be penalized for having a declining sidekick, an injured 3rd banana, and inadequate supporting cast.
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Post#320 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Dec 3, 2024 9:07 pm

5th PotM for Tatum, breaking tie with Pierce. Two away from Bird.

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