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[Ron Swanson]

Feels like we're in a bit of a pickle with the lack of play-making/shot creation on the perimeter. Yes, no Giannis and no Khris definitely amplified it vs. Miami, but even when fully healthy, the bench unit is still severely lacking offensively and that's something that simply moving a guy like Trent to the bench is not gonna fully address. AJ Johnson is nowhere near ready as an NBA player, Delon has never been any sort of dynamic offensive creator, and I'm not yet sold that Rollins has that ability/potential based on just a 60-minute sample size. Could be why there's interest in Cam Thomas, but I'd be looking at guys like Cole Anthony, Shake Milton, Marcus Sasser, or Aaron Holiday as buy-low targets.

[soxperry]

Feels like we're in a bit of a pickle with the lack of play-making/shot creation on the perimeter. Yes, no Giannis and no Khris definitely amplified it vs. Miami, but even when fully healthy, the bench unit is still severely lacking offensively and that's something that simply moving a guy like Trent to the bench is not gonna fully address. AJ Johnson is nowhere near ready as an NBA player, Delon has never been any sort of dynamic offensive creator, and I'm not yet sold that Rollins has that ability/potential based on just a 60-minute sample size. Could be why there's interest in Cam Thomas, but I'd be looking at guys like Cole Anthony, Shake Milton, Marcus Sasser, or Aaron Holiday as buy-low targets.

How many creators does Boston have?
How many creators does Cleveland have?

[Ron Swanson]

Feels like we're in a bit of a pickle with the lack of play-making/shot creation on the perimeter. Yes, no Giannis and no Khris definitely amplified it vs. Miami, but even when fully healthy, the bench unit is still severely lacking offensively and that's something that simply moving a guy like Trent to the bench is not gonna fully address. AJ Johnson is nowhere near ready as an NBA player, Delon has never been any sort of dynamic offensive creator, and I'm not yet sold that Rollins has that ability/potential based on just a 60-minute sample size. Could be why there's interest in Cam Thomas, but I'd be looking at guys like Cole Anthony, Shake Milton, Marcus Sasser, or Aaron Holiday as buy-low targets.

How many creators does Boston have?
How many creators does Cleveland have?

Mitchell, Garland, Caris LeVert, and Ty Jerome. Boston is self explanatory.

[WeMajor34]

With the rumored interest in Cam and the agent connection, I'm sure Horst has poked around.

If all it takes to get Cam is Pat and our 2031 draft capital, I think I'd do it? He's certainly not the best fit but he would solidify the offense as an unstoppable force.

The guy is an elite scorer and that's about it. He's a high usage player in Brooklyn, so unless he's willing to come off the bench as a super high-impact 6th man, I don't see how it all comes together.

*I was on the Marc Stein-Jake Fischer Substack chat and asked about Bucks moves. Jake talked about how a cap strategist in the league surmises that the the Bucks are looking at minimum salaried players (presumably one that we can get for MarJon and maybe some draft capital). Jake mentioned a "rumor" (my words) when talking about us trading our '31 1st. He asked if the Bucks fans in the chat would trade our 31 1st for a recent second rounder that's been playing well. I have no idea who he's talking about but maybe he's heard something. I'm taking that with a massive grain of salt but it's interesting nonetheless.

[Ron Swanson]

With the rumored interest in Cam and the agent connection, I'm sure Horst has poked around.

If all it takes to get Cam is Pat and our 2031 draft capital, I think I'd do it? He's certainly not the best fit but he would solidify the offense as an unstoppable force.

The guy is an elite scorer and that's about it. He's a high usage player in Brooklyn, so unless he's willing to come off the bench as a super high-impact 6th man, I don't see how it all comes together.

*I was on the Marc Stein-Jake Fischer Substack chat and asked about Bucks moves. Jake talked about how a cap strategist in the league surmises that the the Bucks are looking at minimum salaried players (presumably one that we can get for MarJon and maybe some draft capital). Jake mentioned a "rumor" (my words) when talking about us trading our '31 1st. He asked if the Bucks fans in the chat would trade our 31 1st for a recent second rounder that's been playing well. I have no idea who he's talking about but maybe he's heard something. I'm taking that with a massive grain of salt but it's interesting nonetheless.

Only guy that comes to mind is Herb Jones. Dosunmu, Aaron Wiggins, Nembhard, Vince Williams, Camara? Eh, all solid players but in no way should they be dangling a 1st for any of those dudes. Fischer probably just spit-balling.

[pifhluk23]

"Needs" in order:

1. athletic big
2. ancillary perimeter creator
3. big wing defender/small ball 4

Only 1 may be a need. 2 is a problem that shows when a star is missing, but it's gonna happen ya figure. It's a strong want at least. 3 might be a bonus. They could just try Livingston to contain a strong, athletic wing like Jimmy. Might not trust him in the playoffs.

1 is so much more of a need vs the rest. Brook and Bobby are exposed in the playoffs. If they aren't shooting well they are unplayable against the good teams. We desperately need an athletic switchable defender big even if he can't shoot.

[BigO]

"Needs" in order:

1. athletic big
2. ancillary perimeter creator
3. big wing defender/small ball 4

Only 1 may be a need. 2 is a problem that shows when a star is missing, but it's gonna happen ya figure. It's a strong want at least. 3 might be a bonus. They could just try Livingston to contain a strong, athletic wing like Jimmy. Might not trust him in the playoffs.

1 is so much more of a need vs the rest. Brook and Bobby are exposed in the playoffs. If they aren't shooting well they are unplayable against the good teams. We desperately need an athletic switchable defender big even if he can't shoot.[/quote]


My name is Kevon Looney and I heard you've been asking about me.

[ShootingtheJ]

"Needs" in order:

1. athletic big
2. ancillary perimeter creator
3. big wing defender/small ball 4

Only 1 may be a need. 2 is a problem that shows when a star is missing, but it's gonna happen ya figure. It's a strong want at least. 3 might be a bonus. They could just try Livingston to contain a strong, athletic wing like Jimmy. Might not trust him in the playoffs.

1 is so much more of a need vs the rest. Brook and Bobby are exposed in the playoffs. If they aren't shooting well they are unplayable against the good teams. We desperately need an athletic switchable defender big even if he can't shoot.

We already have the best switchable big in the game, Giannis. That's why #3, the big wing defender/4 is most important. We need that in every scenario, not just when our centers don't fit.

[Matches Malone]

AJ #11, TP #14 and Dame #23

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[raferfenix]

What’s the most credible Cam Thomas / Nets and Bucks trade rumor?

Can’t be Gery, right?

DFS has been linked to Milwaukee for years and is a clear fit on paper. Idk about Cam Thomas (he can’t defend, right?) but the agent connection is interesting.

Nets definitely would highly value our pick but whether it’d be worth trading for these two is a major question.

We’d have to drop beneath the 2nd apron to make a deal work with Bobby + Pat but looks like we could do that if we’d also be including MarJon and another minimum guy in a multi-team trade.

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[ReasonablySober]

Nets definitely would highly value our pick

I have no reason to believe that's true. When's the last time a trade was made where the primary asset was a draft pick six years into the future? Sean Marks is more likely to be fired than make that pick.

[Plossum]

Bobby for Donte straight up works.

[raferfenix]

Nets definitely would highly value our pick

I have no reason to believe that's true. When's the last time a trade was made where the primary asset was a draft pick six years into the future? Sean Marks is more likely to be fired than make that pick.

Rebuilding team sits on the pick for a few years then includes it in a package for a superstar.

Jake Fischer made a point of saying it had value too especially since Giannis will be 37. He also brought up Utah as a team seeking picks far out in the future.

But of course “value” is a relative term. I didn’t think we’d even be making it available really until these reports came out of Horst floating it around the league.

[raferfenix]

Would Cam Thomas even be a good fit here?

Maybe we’d play a facilitating role and he goes elsewhere.

Spotrac says this would work — caveat I didn’t even hazard a guess which picks would have to head where:

Bucks trade: Bobby, Pat.
Bucks receive: DFS, relief from 2nd apron.

Nets trade: Cam Thomas, DFS
Nets receive: Kuminga, Gary Payton, Connaughton (into open MLE).

Warriors trade: Kuminga, Gary Payton (or Looney or Melton after the 15th if #s work).
Warriors receive: Cam Thomas, Bobby.

[paulpressey25]

Cam Thomas has a bad hamstring. Out 3-4 weeks.

I just don’t see the fit with that guy here. Unless he comes back this way as part of a bigger Dame deal.

[raferfenix]

Brooklyn has a variety of exceptions which could allow the Bucks to drop beneath the 2nd apron to aggregate salaries.

Cam Thomas talk seems more like bs or another favor for Giannis’ agent if it’s not that he’d be going to a third team.

I’m much more inclined to believe the DFS part of the rumor if only since we’ve gone after him before.

And / or — Ziaire Williams looks like another big wing they got who could be of interest:

There’s a reason he was drafted No. 10 overall in the 2021 NBA Draft, Cohen said.

He has the frame — 6-foot-9 and a wingspan that adds length to a defense — that teams covet, too. Injuries and a disappearing role thwarted his first chance to put everything together in the NBA, but so far, Williams has capitalized on his second.

“When you’re a one-and-done prospect … you rarely have immediate success,” Cohen told The Post. “And I think he did have some really good success that rookie year, and then unfortunately, these injuries happened.”

“They’re just bringing the dog out of me,” Williams said of the Nets on Wednesday. “That’s the realest way I can put it.”

His skill set made him a top recruit out of Notre Dame High School and Sierra Canyon School, where Williams impressed Cohen and the Stanford staff with his ability to understand passing concepts and defensive reads while also being able to guard — with his length — on the perimeter.

He can contain three or four positions, Cohen said, while being able to switch, and that is “an unusual talent.”

Williams felt “trapped” at times in Memphis and said he was like a “loose bird finally let out of his cage” after arriving in Brooklyn in a July trade that gave the Grizzlies some cap space.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/14/sports/nets-young-forward-taking-advantage-of-nba-second-chance/

[drone3]

It's probably time we gave a few minutes to Smitty to see what we got... Stretch 4 with rim protection

[ShootingtheJ]

Bobby for Donte straight up works.

Doesn't work for Minnesota, as they're also in the 2nd apron, and Bobby makes slightly more. A 3 way deal would work though. Minnesota needs another PG. Conley has been dreadful and constantly injured.

[ShootingtheJ]

Nets definitely would highly value our pick

I have no reason to believe that's true. When's the last time a trade was made where the primary asset was a draft pick six years into the future? Sean Marks is more likely to be fired than make that pick.

The Aaron Gordon deal is the 1st that comes to mind.

[ShootingtheJ]

Feels like we're in a bit of a pickle with the lack of play-making/shot creation on the perimeter. Yes, no Giannis and no Khris definitely amplified it vs. Miami, but even when fully healthy, the bench unit is still severely lacking offensively and that's something that simply moving a guy like Trent to the bench is not gonna fully address. AJ Johnson is nowhere near ready as an NBA player, Delon has never been any sort of dynamic offensive creator, and I'm not yet sold that Rollins has that ability/potential based on just a 60-minute sample size. Could be why there's interest in Cam Thomas, but I'd be looking at guys like Cole Anthony, Shake Milton, Marcus Sasser, or Aaron Holiday as buy-low targets.

This is exactly why I'm banging the drum for Dalano Banton. Quicker defensively than Prince. 9' standing reach, he's an effective weakside shotblocker. Portland is loaded with forwards, so he actually gets most of his minutes at PG. He'd allow us to run the same offensive sets as we run with Giannis even when Giannis sits.

Banton per 36 is averaging 21.8 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 2 steals, and 1.6 blocks whole shooting 39% from 3. Portland is a whopping 24 points/100 better with Banton on the floor, yet braindead Chauncy Billups plays him just 15.8 minutes per game.

His contract is just $2.1 million, and we'd have his Early Bird rights. Acquiring 6' 9" point forwards has always been the right move for Milwaukee Bucks.