State Of Cowboys Union; Today And The last 30 years. Where do the Cowboys have it all wrong and where is it going?

[Mr B]

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

That's actually an atrocious example, that team was 11-2 with Wentz and had 7 pro bowlers including three fifths of the offensive line. They had an excellent team top to bottom and they didnt just stumble upon those players at a cheesesteak shop.

I guess Ravens were also lucky to win a super bowl with a mediocre quarterback despite building the best defense ever.

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

Drew Bledsoe got injured and it led to the Patriots starting Brady.


You guys are using the strawman that I am trying to suggest it is "ALL" 100% luck. But that isn't what I am saying, and the fact that so much of this sports falls into fortunate or unfortunate shouldn't be that difficult to accept. But like I said when I started, this is something fans just like to ignore completely or pretend doesn't exist.

No guarantee that Wentz would have won the SB that year. He was on a loaded team and won a lot of regular season games that year. Based on how his career has gone I would say that there’s a great chance that he would have flamed out once the pressure was put on him in the playoffs.

[Mr B]

That's actually an atrocious example, that team was 11-2 with Wentz and had 7 pro bowlers including three fifths of the offensive line. They had an excellent team top to bottom and they didnt just stumble upon those players at a cheesesteak shop.

I guess Ravens were also lucky to win a super bowl with a mediocre quarterback despite building the best defense ever.

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

Drew Bledsoe got injured and it led to the Patriots starting Brady.


You guys are using the strawman that I am trying to suggest it is "ALL" 100% luck. But that isn't what I am saying, and the fact that so much of this sports falls into fortunate or unfortunate shouldn't be that difficult to accept. But like I said when I started, this is something fans just like to ignore completely or pretend doesn't exist.

Nobody knows whether Wentz would have won but the fact is he led his team to a very good record and was a MVP front runner. Foles wouldnt have made that run with a 7-9 type of team, Eagles built a loaded team and gave themselves a chance in a one game format--and they've been doing that ever since then for the most part. Single game or playoff run can come down to luck, consistently putting yourself in a position to succeed(or fail in Cowboys case) is not luck.

Brady was a 4th stringer when he was drafted, someone saw enough from him to make him a back up. Brady's early success is credited to Patriot's team building anyway, who knows if he would have developed the same way with an incompetent management.

So basically Wentz accomplished what Dak has. Great regular season and finished in the MVP conversation. That doesn’t mean he would have even 1 playoff game.

[El Turco]

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

Drew Bledsoe got injured and it led to the Patriots starting Brady.


You guys are using the strawman that I am trying to suggest it is "ALL" 100% luck. But that isn't what I am saying, and the fact that so much of this sports falls into fortunate or unfortunate shouldn't be that difficult to accept. But like I said when I started, this is something fans just like to ignore completely or pretend doesn't exist.

Nobody knows whether Wentz would have won but the fact is he led his team to a very good record and was a MVP front runner. Foles wouldnt have made that run with a 7-9 type of team, Eagles built a loaded team and gave themselves a chance in a one game format--and they've been doing that ever since then for the most part. Single game or playoff run can come down to luck, consistently putting yourself in a position to succeed(or fail in Cowboys case) is not luck.

Brady was a 4th stringer when he was drafted, someone saw enough from him to make him a back up. Brady's early success is credited to Patriot's team building anyway, who knows if he would have developed the same way with an incompetent management.

So basically Wentz accomplished what Dak has. Great regular season and finished in the MVP conversation. That doesn’t mean he would have even 1 playoff game.

You would say the same thing about Foles before that year. Or after.

At the end that Eagles team had a loaded team that was built through years of good decisions.

[QB_Eagles]

You're upset because I said that the Eagles lost their star QB drunkenly stumbled into a Super Bowl ring as an example of luck and parity the NFL.

And it was an excellent example

Only in the sense that Wentz probably doesn't win the Super Bowl.

But Nick Foles actually did play extremely well, so by calling that luck you're just looking ignorant.

I think he also got butthurt too when I asked why do people celebrate losing in the playoffs and referring that as the pussification of America. Lol

Pussification of America is not caring about the humiliation your Cowboys suffered last postseason and claiming it's exactly the same outcome as the 49ers who lost a close SB.

Like I said, you got butthurt.

No, because my favorite team actually won a SB fairly recently.

I just reject your argument.

[QB_Eagles]

This would lead to semantics debate on what "lucky" means.

We could debate it. Him being in that situation to begin with is fortune. Pointless debate though.

I can admit that the Eagles had a great roster that season. I can admit that it certainly wasn't 100% luck. But wouldn't you agree though that the stars magically aligned for the Eagles that year? That certain things went their way that were beyond anyone's control? I am not even trying to degrade the ring here either as I think every ring in the NFL requires a degree of fortune. Some more than others, but things have to go your way.

One of Brady's rings he owes to the tuck rule, another he owes to a Pete Carroll call. He is the GOAT, but he still needed these things out of his control for those rings.

Not really. In fact on the forum I was previously (along with jaydubb and others, who can confirm this), there was an extremely annoying Pats fan and I bet him that the loser would have to quit the site.

Foles over his career was a below average QB but he did already have his cleats in the Hall of Fame before the Super Bowl from throwing 7 TD in a game. So him playing out of his mind on a great team wasn't completely out of left field.

Other Eagles fans think Wentz would have won for sure, but I'm really not that sure about it.

So nothing went the Eagle's way? If we replayed the 2017 season 10 times the Eagles would win the Super Bowl every time?

I think that this extreme level of denial exists in fans because they don't want to believe that their team needed any fortune. But it's just not a realistic take.

I can pin CeeDee Lamb on Jerry Jones and probably get away with it. But the reality is that CeeDee Lamb just luckily fell in his lap. And that is the center piece to our offense. When you REALLY REALLY try to look at things objectively, it is difficult to ignore what is really happening IMO. And what is really happening? A lot of things are that are out of the GM's control.

The Eagles lost several important players that season besides Wentz. So they had below average injury "luck".

They still had unquestionably the most talented roster in the NFL that season. That's not just my biased opinion as a fan, but you can look at PFF or advanced stats like DVOA, too.

If the most talented team wins the Super Bowl, I'd say that's the opposite of luck.

I already granted that in my opinion the Eagles gained a benefit by losing Wentz because Foles had already shown previously that he can really excel when surrounded by great teammates. But that's a fringe opinion among Eagles fans. And it's still based on the fact that the rest of the team was great.

Is it luck for a GM to assemble a great team? After all the decision making process is similar to hiring a coach.

[Mr B]

Only in the sense that Wentz probably doesn't win the Super Bowl.

But Nick Foles actually did play extremely well, so by calling that luck you're just looking ignorant.


Pussification of America is not caring about the humiliation your Cowboys suffered last postseason and claiming it's exactly the same outcome as the 49ers who lost a close SB.

Like I said, you got butthurt.

No, because my favorite team actually won a SB fairly recently.

I just reject your argument.

At this point that 1 SB win is about as relevant as the Cowboys 5 SB wins. None of the players (except for maybe 1 or 2 old guys) are even still on the team. Even the coaching staff is gone.

[QB_Eagles]

Like I said, you got butthurt.

No, because my favorite team actually won a SB fairly recently.

I just reject your argument.

At this point that 1 SB win is about as relevant as the Cowboys 5 SB wins. None of the players (except for maybe 1 or 2 old guys) are even still on the team. Even the coaching staff is gone.

I watched the game on a flat screen.

[Micah Prescott]

I don't even understand how the Patriots, who had a top-5 defense, gave up 41 points to Nick Foles. I'm not even one who thinks the QB is everything either. Part of it is simply that the Patriots defense didn't show up that game. That part isn't "luck" really, if a defense doesn't show up they should lose, but I doubt that would be the case had they played a series.

[QB_Eagles]

I don't even understand how the Patriots, who had a top-5 defense, gave up 41 points to Nick Foles. I'm not even one who thinks the QB is everything either. Part of it is simply that the Patriots defense didn't show up that game. That part isn't "luck" really, if a defense doesn't show up they should lose, but I doubt that would be the case had they played a series.

Like I said, I would agree with you if Nick Foles hadn't already gotten his cleats put in the Hall of Fame before the Super Bowl.

This is also a guy who on occasion put up crazy stats in college. He's just weird that way.

He's obviously not a franchise QB but if you watch the 2017 postseason conference game and SB thinking his performance was just luck, you don't what you're talking about, plain and simple.

In the SB the offense shifted almost every drive and Foles was just hitting on all cylinders. 5 different Eagles had 50+ yards receiving.

Was it luck that he played that great at the two most important games? I guess so, but it would also minimize his accomplishment as one of the best QB performances in SB history. I think Mahomes was lucky to win his first SB because he actually played bad.

[Mr B]

No, because my favorite team actually won a SB fairly recently.

I just reject your argument.

At this point that 1 SB win is about as relevant as the Cowboys 5 SB wins. None of the players (except for maybe 1 or 2 old guys) are even still on the team. Even the coaching staff is gone.

I watched the game on a flat screen.

Cool here’s a cookie.

[Micah Prescott]

I don't even understand how the Patriots, who had a top-5 defense, gave up 41 points to Nick Foles. I'm not even one who thinks the QB is everything either. Part of it is simply that the Patriots defense didn't show up that game. That part isn't "luck" really, if a defense doesn't show up they should lose, but I doubt that would be the case had they played a series.

Like I said, I would agree with you if Nick Foles hadn't already gotten his cleats put in the Hall of Fame before the Super Bowl.

This is also a guy who on occasion put up crazy stats in college. He's just weird that way.

He's obviously not a franchise QB but if you watch the 2017 postseason conference game and SB thinking his performance was just luck, you don't what you're talking about, plain and simple.

In the SB the offense shifted almost every drive and Foles was just hitting on all cylinders. 5 different Eagles had 50+ yards receiving.

Was it luck that he played that great at the two most important games? I guess so, but it would also minimize his accomplishment as one of the best QB performances in SB history. I think Mahomes was more lucky to win his first SB because he actually played bad.

I don't think Foles "playing well" was luck at all. I would never call actual performance luck outside of lucky ball bounces or stuff like that. I think Wentz getting injured is the luck part. Especially after looking at the Super Bowl box score. Unlikely Wentz puts up 41 on the Pats.

So yeah, while the Eagles team was pretty stacked that season, it was fortunate that Wentz got injured, because I don't think you have a ring without that injury.

[El Turco]

Plenty of quarterbacks can win with a stacked team, pretty much no quarterback can win with a bad team or even an average team.

[Mr B]

Plenty of quarterbacks can win with a stacked team, pretty much no quarterback can win with a bad team or even an average team.

Especially Brock Purdy and Dak Prescott

[El Turco]

That describes neither of them

[Cactus Jack]

Make Jimmy the GM!!

Read on Twitter

[bluejerseyjinx]

Make Jimmy the GM!!

Read on Twitter

[bluejerseyjinx]

The resident Eagle fan himself said Wentz wouldn't have won. The very fortunate and lucky injury to Wentz which lead to Foles is a great example.

Injuries in general are lucky/unlucky

Drew Bledsoe got injured and it led to the Patriots starting Brady.


You guys are using the strawman that I am trying to suggest it is "ALL" 100% luck. But that isn't what I am saying, and the fact that so much of this sports falls into fortunate or unfortunate shouldn't be that difficult to accept. But like I said when I started, this is something fans just like to ignore completely or pretend doesn't exist.

Nobody knows whether Wentz would have won but the fact is he led his team to a very good record and was a MVP front runner. Foles wouldnt have made that run with a 7-9 type of team, Eagles built a loaded team and gave themselves a chance in a one game format--and they've been doing that ever since then for the most part. Single game or playoff run can come down to luck, consistently putting yourself in a position to succeed(or fail in Cowboys case) is not luck.

Brady was a 4th stringer when he was drafted, someone saw enough from him to make him a back up. Brady's early success is credited to Patriot's team building anyway, who knows if he would have developed the same way with an incompetent management.

A great GM definitely can put the ODDS in your favor, but that is all they can do. They can't guarantee that the kicker hits the winning FG in overtime.

The entire reason every other sport has a 7-game series is because any team can get lucky just one time. And one of the biggest draws to the NFL is the "Any Given Sunday" aspect to it. THE GAME OF INCHES. Where it is completely possible for the undefeated Patriots to lose just once. Steph Curry has off games where he misses a lot of shots. Sometimes they just don't go in.

This is a sport that owes much of it's success to luck, but no one wants to admit it.

So that means the Kansas City Chiefs have to be the luckiest team in the NFL the past 5 years. Mahomes, Kelce, Chris Jones, Hopkins, Pacheco, Rice, Andy Reid, Brett Veach and Clark Hunt, etc., all suck.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Well, well, well. Dumb Dak is defending McCarthy in the press today of having him come back for at least another year. Really. Did Dak and Mike have a sleep over recently. I guess it doesn't take much to convince young generation Cowboy fans these days. So that will mean Jerry will still be the GM, DAk as QB and McCarthy will remain as head coach. Another year of rinse and repeat. Really. I guess after honoring and fulfilling my avatar bet this year, I will have to leave it blank next season. Not interested in the Dumb and dumber sequel.

[El Turco]

Well, well, well. Dumb Dak is defending McCarthy in the press today of having him come back for at least another year. Really. Did Dak and Mike have a sleep over recently. I guess it doesn't take much to convince young generation Cowboy fans these days. So that will mean Jerry will still be the GM, DAk as QB and McCarthy will remain as head coach. Another year of rinse and repeat. Really. I guess after honoring and fulfilling my avatar bet this year, I will have to leave it blank next season. Not interested in the Dumb and dumber sequel.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42801501/sources-bill-belichick-speaks-unc-head-coach-job

bUt hE iS bEsT fRiENds wItH jErRy

[bluejerseyjinx]

Well, well, well. Dumb Dak is defending McCarthy in the press today of having him come back for at least another year. Really. Did Dak and Mike have a sleep over recently. I guess it doesn't take much to convince young generation Cowboy fans these days. So that will mean Jerry will still be the GM, DAk as QB and McCarthy will remain as head coach. Another year of rinse and repeat. Really. I guess after honoring and fulfilling my avatar bet this year, I will have to leave it blank next season. Not interested in the Dumb and dumber sequel.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42801501/sources-bill-belichick-speaks-unc-head-coach-job

bUt hE iS bEsT fRiENds wItH jErRy

I'm hearing Bill gets along very well with Jerry, sadly. However, as much as I would love for Bill to be at North Carolina, I can't see it. Granted, the Tar Heel football program hasn't won the ACC Since 1980 when a player named Lawrence was on the team. So there is some historical intrigue to go along with all the other factors including putting the football program on the big boy list with their basketball program. And he would have complete control.
Bill needs 15 more wins in the NFL for most wins all time cementing his NFL legacy. Deep down I believe this is his main focus. He wants that record. Cowboys and Jaguars appear to be at the moment the most likely places being considered. Personally I would like to see Bill go to the Bengals.