Game 18: Sacramento at Minnesota (8-9), 8 pm

[winforlose]

We need to find the cover Winkler in bees gif, then get someone to mod it for Finch and Randle. Maybe Ant to at some point.

[Note30]

How are we so bad, Rudy Gobert is a top 10 player on offense and defense guys! His metrics are out of this roof, he'll change any game and not only is he a better center than KAT, he's worth most of our picks!! We definitely shouldn't trade for a lead guard with those picks!

Everything will be great, what an amazing trade!

Top 10 player guys! Top 10! Definitely not a role player! He's gonna carry us to the promised land! He definitely won't be the reason why we lost the 2nd or 3rd (depending on where you put Ant) player we ever had! Totally worth it!

He's a real leader who carries the team and knows how to coordinate everyone!

No need for KAT!

That guy is trash and the sooner his whiny ass is off the team the better!

Your 2025 champions here!

[winforlose]

How are we so bad, Rudy Gobert is a top 10 player on offense and defense guys! His metrics are out of this roof, he'll change any game and not only is he a better center than KAT, he's worth most of our picks!! We definitely shouldn't trade for a lead guard with those picks!

Everything will be great, what an amazing trade!

Top 10 player guys! Top 10! Definitely not a role player! He's gonna carry us to the promised land! He definitely won't be the reason why we lost the 2nd or 3rd (depending on where you put Ant) player we ever had! Totally worth it!

He's a real leader who carries the team and knows how to coordinate everyone!

No need for KAT!

That guy is trash and the sooner his whiny ass is off the team the better!

Your 2025 champions here!

I would ask you to hold your horses, but I think we both know they are way outside the barn. If you want to relitigate the Gobert trade you must consider the 22-23 season. Normally when KAT goes down the team goes with him. However in that season Ant and Rudy got us to 7th or 8th and we made the play in. Then we proceed to the playoffs. For most teams that’s a shrug, for us that was ******* massive. We had been there the year before, but hadn’t done two year in a row for over 20 years. Imagine the value for Ant to get that playoff series and how it helped him in 23/24 when we were one game out of first despite losing KAT for more than 20. Context matters when talking about the development of guys like Ant, Jaden, Naz, ect…

Now if you want to talk about why we made the KAT trade, I think it was more to do with his injury history than anything else. We wanted DDV on that golden contract, we wanted Randle one presumes for his play making (this is the flaw in the design,) and we got the potential for a 1st which in theory has some trade value. I hated the trade, I hated the free agency before the trade, and I hated the sell low on KAT. But, if DDV had been 23/24 DDV this conversation would be different. If Finch had been honest and had influence with Randle to make him play like he did during the comeback tonight (high energy, high intensity defense,) then maybe we would talk about the trade differently.

Things are breaking because the guys who are paid to keep them together are failing. Finch and Ant are supposed to lead and neither can. Ant is not a superstar, Finch is not the messiah we hoped he was, and the NBA is not gonna give us a win much less a title. We gotta ******* take the wins to take the title, and that starts with guys having some ******** pride and playing like they give a damn. Also it’s time to fire Finch.

[Note30]

How are we so bad, Rudy Gobert is a top 10 player on offense and defense guys! His metrics are out of this roof, he'll change any game and not only is he a better center than KAT, he's worth most of our picks!! We definitely shouldn't trade for a lead guard with those picks!

Everything will be great, what an amazing trade!

Top 10 player guys! Top 10! Definitely not a role player! He's gonna carry us to the promised land! He definitely won't be the reason why we lost the 2nd or 3rd (depending on where you put Ant) player we ever had! Totally worth it!

He's a real leader who carries the team and knows how to coordinate everyone!

No need for KAT!

That guy is trash and the sooner his whiny ass is off the team the better!

Your 2025 champions here!

I would ask you to hold your horses, but I think we both know they are way outside the barn. If you want to relitigate the Gobert trade you must consider the 22-23 season. Normally when KAT goes down the team goes with him. However in that season Ant and Rudy got us to 7th or 8th and we made the play in. Then we proceed to the playoffs. For most teams that’s a shrug, for us that was ******* massive. We had been there the year before, but hadn’t done two year in a row for over 20 years. Imagine the value for Ant to get that playoff series and how it helped him in 23/24 when we were one game out of first despite losing KAT for more than 20. Context matters when talking about the development of guys like Ant, Jaden, Naz, ect…
.

Maybe it was an acceleration in growth for Ant, Naz, etc.

But it wasn't worth it imo. We needed to firmly lock down our PG/SF of the future. No team worth it's salt has won without two superstar wings/guards. Boston was a mild exception last year except they still had Jrue who was and is an amazing PG.

Murray was a necessity, every major team had two guards who could handle the ball. We needed that, and instead we had to settle for Conley, and while it was an amazing trade, it's amazing because of how few resources were used to acquire him.

[winforlose]

How are we so bad, Rudy Gobert is a top 10 player on offense and defense guys! His metrics are out of this roof, he'll change any game and not only is he a better center than KAT, he's worth most of our picks!! We definitely shouldn't trade for a lead guard with those picks!

Everything will be great, what an amazing trade!

Top 10 player guys! Top 10! Definitely not a role player! He's gonna carry us to the promised land! He definitely won't be the reason why we lost the 2nd or 3rd (depending on where you put Ant) player we ever had! Totally worth it!

He's a real leader who carries the team and knows how to coordinate everyone!

No need for KAT!

That guy is trash and the sooner his whiny ass is off the team the better!

Your 2025 champions here!

I would ask you to hold your horses, but I think we both know they are way outside the barn. If you want to relitigate the Gobert trade you must consider the 22-23 season. Normally when KAT goes down the team goes with him. However in that season Ant and Rudy got us to 7th or 8th and we made the play in. Then we proceed to the playoffs. For most teams that’s a shrug, for us that was ******* massive. We had been there the year before, but hadn’t done two year in a row for over 20 years. Imagine the value for Ant to get that playoff series and how it helped him in 23/24 when we were one game out of first despite losing KAT for more than 20. Context matters when talking about the development of guys like Ant, Jaden, Naz, ect…
.

Maybe it was an acceleration in growth for Ant, Naz, etc.

But it wasn't worth it imo. We needed to firmly lock down our PG/SF of the future. No team worth it's salt has won without two superstar wings/guards. Boston was a mild exception last year except they still had Jrue who was and is an amazing PG.

Murray was a necessity, every major team had two guards who could handle the ball. We needed that, and instead we had to settle for Conley, and while it was an amazing trade, it's amazing because of how few resources were used to acquire him.

My long answer got nuked by the website. When the Gobert trade was made it was with an eye to improving Dlo. Conley was in Utah with NAW and we had hopes of Dlo and Ant being a dynamic duo. It didn’t work out, but it did make sense that it might.

Denver had Murray who is a sudo star (never been an all star, and has holes in his game,) KCP (never gonna be close to a true star,) MPJ (I think the consensus is he is overpaid significantly,) Aaron Gordon who is a solid defender, but without Joker is not much more than McDaniels, if he is better which is debatable. Finally they had Joker. It doesn’t take 2 or 3 superstars, just an MVP and the right supporting cast. We could and should have had that, but things went sideways. Can you really say that KAT would be healthy this year when he wasn’t for the last 2? KAT was not 100% against Memphis (nagging injuries to his wrists, legs, ect…,) not 100% against the Nuggets in 22/23, and his re-aggravating his knee in games 5 and 7 cost us the Dallas series. KAT is many things, but available is not always one of them.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

What's happen to Jaden right now? seems a shadow of the player he was last year. Finch has to figure it out or bench him as he hurt the team. Next game will be interesting as players realize finally that a lot of things are going wrong. Thanks to ANT to speak loud and clear. After words, hope we will see the action.

[_AIJ_]

Jaden with a big zero pts

[Baseline81]

Read on Twitter

You don't say, Ant.

If only someone could have foreseen this would have happened... Oh, that's right, the majority of us fans.

Again, team continuity and cohesion is a major part of winning basketball. Trading Towns will go down as one of the worst decisions this franchise ever did when you consider what took place the season prior. To this day, I'm dumbfounded the organization didn't try and run it back.

[jpatrick]

What's happen to Jaden right now? seems a shadow of the player he was last year. Finch has to figure it out or bench him as he hurt the team. Next game will be interesting as players realize finally that a lot of things are going wrong. Thanks to ANT to speak loud and clear. After words, hope we will see the action.

This is not talked about enough. He is flat out bad right now. I haven’t looked at numbers, but I’d guess he’s one of the worst offensive wings in the league. What makes it worse is other teams are game planning to give him wide open shots, and he still can’t make them. His defense has also collapsed. If you are looking at value, NAW is a far better player right now.

[younggunsmn]

What's happen to Jaden right now? seems a shadow of the player he was last year. Finch has to figure it out or bench him as he hurt the team. Next game will be interesting as players realize finally that a lot of things are going wrong. Thanks to ANT to speak loud and clear. After words, hope we will see the action.

Why can't our players reach their potential?
Why do they keep regressing?
Why does there seem to be such a hard ceiling on the BBIQ of our key players?

This picture says 1000 words:

https://www.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/1fzfy5k/rudy_naz_and_jaden_on_a_weed_run/?rdt=64496


This is where our players' priorities lie in 2024.

I caught a lot of flack for all my complaining about a lot of the dumb things we have been doing the past couple of years.
The inconsistency, the mental mistakes.
The lack of value our coach has for playing a true point guard.
The dysfunction inherent in Finch's offensive system.
The lack of Finch's ability to hold anyone at all accountable.

Well now after trading KAT away we no longer have the talent to paper over all of that rot.
It's only going to get worse from here.

Get Julius Randle off of this team ASAP and move Jaden too if he hasn't turned it around by the All-Star break.

[Calinks]

What's happen to Jaden right now? seems a shadow of the player he was last year. Finch has to figure it out or bench him as he hurt the team. Next game will be interesting as players realize finally that a lot of things are going wrong. Thanks to ANT to speak loud and clear. After words, hope we will see the action.

Why can't our players reach their potential?
Why do they keep regressing?
Why does there seem to be such a hard ceiling on the BBIQ of our key players?

This picture says 1000 words:

https://www.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/1fzfy5k/rudy_naz_and_jaden_on_a_weed_run/?rdt=64496


This is where our players' priorities lie in 2024.

I caught a lot of flack for all my complaining about a lot of the dumb things we have been doing the past couple of years.
The inconsistency, the mental mistakes.
The lack of value our coach has for playing a true point guard.
The dysfunction inherent in Finch's offensive system.
The lack of Finch's ability to hold anyone at all accountable.

Well now after trading KAT away we no longer have the talent to paper over all of that rot.
It's only going to get worse from here.

Get Julius Randle off of this team ASAP and move Jaden too if he hasn't turned it around by the All-Star break.

Because they are at a weed shop; am I coming to the right conclusion? Is this sarcasm? If not, then I have to tell you, athletes have been using weed for decades. I assure you this team isn't struggling because they have a higher marijuana consumption compared to other teams and players around the league.

[Calinks]

Jaden McDaniels is kind of morphing into our 2024 version of Josh Okogie and that's terrifying considering where we estimated his ceiling to be. NAW has outplayed this season.

[winforlose]

Jaden McDaniels is kind of morphing into our 2024 version of Josh Okogie and that's terrifying considering where we estimated his ceiling to be. NAW has outplayed this season.

I hear the fear in that take. I just want to remind you that while JO and MCD might share the same floor, they don’t have the same ceiling. Even beyond the shooting, JO was 6’4. You can teach a lot of things, but you cannot teach 6 inches plus.

[bisme37]

The Wolves are bumming me out you guys. I've been kind of a secondary Wolves fan since the KG days and it sucks that Minny was finally a legit contender after so many years, and then it lasted like one season and they pulled the plug on what they built. I get the financial reasons but it sucks to watch. Hope things get better as the season goes on.

Also, Happy Thanksgiving Wolves pals.

[winforlose]

The Wolves are bumming me out you guys. I've been kind of a secondary Wolves fan since the KG days and it sucks that Minny was finally a legit contender after so many years, and then it lasted like one season and they pulled the plug on what they built. I get the financial reasons but it sucks to watch. Hope things get better as the season goes on.

Also, Happy Thanksgiving Wolves pals.

1. Happy Thanksgiving .

2. I think people are starting to misunderstand what is happening in Minnesota. This is not a bad team that cannot win game. This is one of the most talented teams in the league losing their games. People might ask, what is the difference? The difference is we can and should turn this around. Does anyone truly believe DDV is this bad? Does anyone truly believe Jaden has lost all sense of how to play offense? Does anyone truly believe that Rudy is playing his best ball? Does anyone truly believe that there is not one rotation worthy player in the Minott, TSJ, Miller, Dilly, and Clark group. Everything comes down to coaching. Finch is not reacting to what is happening or holding anyone accountable. It is time to start benching guys including Ant and Randle when they don’t follow scheme. Finch needs to bench Ant and Randle in the final 6 and overtime in literally every game with no exceptions outside of injury or foul trouble, until they prove with their play in the other 42 minutes of regulation that they are ready to play hard and within the scheme every game. Meanwhile Finch needs to turn the rest of his attention to getting guys back on track and experimenting with the 5 young players I mentioned above. It might be time to send DDV to the bench for 5-10 games and make him fight like hell in practice and in the gym to earn back a spot.

[Loaf_of_bread]

The Wolves are bumming me out you guys. I've been kind of a secondary Wolves fan since the KG days and it sucks that Minny was finally a legit contender after so many years, and then it lasted like one season and they pulled the plug on what they built. I get the financial reasons but it sucks to watch. Hope things get better as the season goes on.

Also, Happy Thanksgiving Wolves pals.

1. Happy Thanksgiving .

2. I think people are starting to misunderstand what is happening in Minnesota. This is not a bad team that cannot win game. This is one of the most talented teams in the league losing their games. People might ask, what is the difference? The difference is we can and should turn this around. Does anyone truly believe DDV is this bad? Does anyone truly believe Jaden has lost all sense of how to play offense? Does anyone truly believe that Rudy is playing his best ball? Does anyone truly believe that there is not one rotation worthy player in the Minott, TSJ, Miller, Dilly, and Clark group. Everything comes down to coaching. Finch is not reacting to what is happening or holding anyone accountable. It is time to start benching guys including Ant and Randle when they don’t follow scheme. Finch needs to bench Ant and Randle in the final 6 and overtime in literally every game with no exceptions outside of injury or foul trouble, until they prove with their play in the other 42 minutes of regulation that they are ready to play hard and within the scheme every game. Meanwhile Finch needs to turn the rest of his attention to getting guys back on track and experimenting with the 5 young players I mentioned above. It might be time to send DDV to the bench for 5-10 games and make him fight like hell in practice and in the gym to earn back a spot.

I'd remove Miller and Josh. TSJ and luka are worth playing a bit.

DDV has it in him, while he looks uninspired, be patient.. thinking that benching him/fighting for minutes is a bad take. He can't play point. What we do know is that we need Mike, and now NEED dilly. Dilly playing max minutes when mike can't play.

Jaden is the one that needs monitoring of his thc use. It's pretty obvious that there is an issue there..

Randle needs a second clock on holding the ball.. straight up ultimatum.. grab ball top of key, have ball more than 5 seconds, you are not sniffing the floor.

Edwards needs to just keep his mouth shut post game. Now getting annoyed with all the different crap that he comes up with.. shut up, and take care of business internally. AND take care of business in the fourth quarter. ALSO, IF YOU ARE ALL GOOD, POSITIVE, HAPPY, you aren't a leader.

[thinktank]

I echo the sentiment of most.

Karl’s offense finally came around in the first two series wins and it looked absolutely reproducible in the WCF and future seasons. I finally came around to appreciating Karl.

And… it’s gone.

Connelly and / or Taylor got too cute by half.

Ant is immature.

The combination mediocrity and immaturity is the death knell of any good future.

A line graph of wins and joy in the last season and a quarter looks tragic.

[younggunsmn]

What's happen to Jaden right now? seems a shadow of the player he was last year. Finch has to figure it out or bench him as he hurt the team. Next game will be interesting as players realize finally that a lot of things are going wrong. Thanks to ANT to speak loud and clear. After words, hope we will see the action.

Why can't our players reach their potential?
Why do they keep regressing?
Why does there seem to be such a hard ceiling on the BBIQ of our key players?

This picture says 1000 words:

https://www.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/1fzfy5k/rudy_naz_and_jaden_on_a_weed_run/?rdt=64496


This is where our players' priorities lie in 2024.

I caught a lot of flack for all my complaining about a lot of the dumb things we have been doing the past couple of years.
The inconsistency, the mental mistakes.
The lack of value our coach has for playing a true point guard.
The dysfunction inherent in Finch's offensive system.
The lack of Finch's ability to hold anyone at all accountable.

Well now after trading KAT away we no longer have the talent to paper over all of that rot.
It's only going to get worse from here.

Get Julius Randle off of this team ASAP and move Jaden too if he hasn't turned it around by the All-Star break.

Because they are at a weed shop; am I coming to the right conclusion? Is this sarcasm? If not, then I have to tell you, athletes have been using weed for decades. I assure you this team isn't struggling because they have a higher marijuana consumption compared to other teams and players around the league.

Look I'm a live and let live guy.
Do what you want if you're not hurting other people.
But you partake in said activties, you are diminishing yourself.
Mentally, physically, emotionally.
Especially while you are still young and your brain is developing.
There is no other way around that.
I've seen it turn too many people around me into absolute shells of what they could have been.

The NBA, AFAIK, is the only pro league where weed is legal and not tested for, and that only happened in the last 5 years.
It may be common, but I don't buy the "everybody does it" BS.

The 3 guys in that picture all fell like rocks in their respective drafts.
That's not coincidence.