Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[PushDaRock]

If we lose our next game we are exactly where I thought we would be 20 games in 5-20.

Anyone who thinks we were ever having the worse record in the league was just daydreaming. We just need to be in the top 7 range like 2021 to be in great position for a stacked draft. I have faith even at 7/8 we are getting a top 3 player with our evaluators

That's not how it works. The players need to actually be there for that to happen, you can't just pick the top 3 player, if they are already picked. We can have faith in them to find the BPA sure, but that's an unrealistic expectation.

We should be aiming to rest guys and get as bad of a record as possible.

You do realize the NBA is cracking down on this stuff right? The Hawks just got a 100k fine for resting Trae Young. If our top players are healthy, they're going to play.

[Scase]

If we lose our next game we are exactly where I thought we would be 20 games in 5-20.

Anyone who thinks we were ever having the worse record in the league was just daydreaming. We just need to be in the top 7 range like 2021 to be in great position for a stacked draft. I have faith even at 7/8 we are getting a top 3 player with our evaluators

That's not how it works. The players need to actually be there for that to happen, you can't just pick the top 3 player, if they are already picked. We can have faith in them to find the BPA sure, but that's an unrealistic expectation.

We should be aiming to rest guys and get as bad of a record as possible.

You do realize the NBA is cracking down on this stuff right? The Hawks just got a 100k fine for resting Trae Young. If our top players are healthy, they're going to play.

My guy, everyone has injuries they could be nursing longer, we'll be fine. No one is going to get fined 100k if Jak/Scottie/RJ gets sat a few games, they fine for the players people actually care about.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

That's not how it works. The players need to actually be there for that to happen, you can't just pick the top 3 player, if they are already picked. We can have faith in them to find the BPA sure, but that's an unrealistic expectation.

We should be aiming to rest guys and get as bad of a record as possible.

You do realize the NBA is cracking down on this stuff right? The Hawks just got a 100k fine for resting Trae Young. If our top players are healthy, they're going to play.

My guy, everyone has injuries they could be nursing longer, we'll be fine. No one is going to get fined 100k if Jak/Scottie/RJ gets sat a few games, they fine for the players people actually care about.

Just trade for injured ones. Problem solved.

[PushDaRock]

That's not how it works. The players need to actually be there for that to happen, you can't just pick the top 3 player, if they are already picked. We can have faith in them to find the BPA sure, but that's an unrealistic expectation.

We should be aiming to rest guys and get as bad of a record as possible.

You do realize the NBA is cracking down on this stuff right? The Hawks just got a 100k fine for resting Trae Young. If our top players are healthy, they're going to play.

My guy, everyone has injuries they could be nursing longer, we'll be fine. No one is going to get fined 100k if Jak/Scottie/RJ gets sat a few games, they fine for the players people actually care about.

There are actual rules in place now under the Player Participation Policy and they have independent physicians review whether the injuries are legit. You need an approved reason to sit out your top players if it's for load management, rest and etc. You might be able to get them to sit out a couple games for the entire year but if all 3 are healthy otherwise, they're still going to play the large majority of games.

[Scase]

You do realize the NBA is cracking down on this stuff right? The Hawks just got a 100k fine for resting Trae Young. If our top players are healthy, they're going to play.

My guy, everyone has injuries they could be nursing longer, we'll be fine. No one is going to get fined 100k if Jak/Scottie/RJ gets sat a few games, they fine for the players people actually care about.

There are actual rules in place now under the Player Participation Policy and they have independent physicians review whether the injuries are legit. You need an approved reason to sit out your top players if it's for load management, rest and etc. You might be able to get them to sit out a couple games for the entire year but if all 3 are healthy otherwise, they're still going to play the large majority of games.

Yes, top players as in players people come to watch. Like superstars etc. we don't have those, not to mention I'm not suggesting we just sit the entire SL all at once, a couple games here and there rotating 1-2 of them at a time is plenty to lower our chances of winning.

Guys get nagging injuries all the time, the team just needs to be smart about how they approach them, guy is banged up, he needs a couple games to recover etc. The NBA isn't going to open up an investigation if some random starter on the raptors sits, they care about the stars of the league.

Besides, if Masai is as smart as people like to claim, I have faith they can navigate these waters.

[PushDaRock]

My guy, everyone has injuries they could be nursing longer, we'll be fine. No one is going to get fined 100k if Jak/Scottie/RJ gets sat a few games, they fine for the players people actually care about.

There are actual rules in place now under the Player Participation Policy and they have independent physicians review whether the injuries are legit. You need an approved reason to sit out your top players if it's for load management, rest and etc. You might be able to get them to sit out a couple games for the entire year but if all 3 are healthy otherwise, they're still going to play the large majority of games.

Yes, top players as in players people come to watch. Lime superstars etc. we don't have those, not to mention I'm not suggesting we just sit the entire SL all at once, a couple games here and there rotating 1-2 of them at a time is plenty to lower our chances of winning.

Guys get nagging injuries all the time, the team just needs to be smart about how they approach them, guy is banged up, he needs a couple games to recover etc. The NBA isn't going to open up an investigation if some random starter on the raptors sits, they care about the stars of the league.

Besides, if Masai is as smart as people like to claim, I have faith they can navigate these waters.

Scottie was an All-Star last year, are we not considering him a "top" player if Trae Young counts?

So, you think Masai should be smart enough to knowingly break the rules and get away with it. Interesting premise I guess.

[Scase]

There are actual rules in place now under the Player Participation Policy and they have independent physicians review whether the injuries are legit. You need an approved reason to sit out your top players if it's for load management, rest and etc. You might be able to get them to sit out a couple games for the entire year but if all 3 are healthy otherwise, they're still going to play the large majority of games.

Yes, top players as in players people come to watch. Lime superstars etc. we don't have those, not to mention I'm not suggesting we just sit the entire SL all at once, a couple games here and there rotating 1-2 of them at a time is plenty to lower our chances of winning.

Guys get nagging injuries all the time, the team just needs to be smart about how they approach them, guy is banged up, he needs a couple games to recover etc. The NBA isn't going to open up an investigation if some random starter on the raptors sits, they care about the stars of the league.

Besides, if Masai is as smart as people like to claim, I have faith they can navigate these waters.

Scottie was an All-Star last year, are we not considering him a "top" player if Trae Young counts?

So, you think Masai should be smart enough to knowingly break the rules and get away with it. Interesting premise I guess.

The same Trae who is a 3x all star and a x1 All NBA, who is well known around the league, and so on? The whole reason this stuff was put into place was due to people paying to see games and the marquee players are being sat out for rest. People will raise hell if they pay a bunch of money to see lebron or jokic etc and they are sitting, this is not the same case for Scottie, please tell me you understand the difference here. Scottie making 1 ASG as as injury reserve reserve, is not a marquee player, especially being on the raptors. Vince Carter he is not lol.

And yes, I absolutely think that Masai and any other FO exec in the league would circumvent rules and use any loopholes they can, that's kinda why they have their jobs. Breaking rules, and blatantly breaking rules are 2 different things, the NBA is not going to open up an investigation cause a guy with a minor injury misses a game or two, they will do it if a marquee player does something stupid like Embiid did, publicly stating he won't be playing in any b2b's.

There are levels to this, but if you think not a single exec ever bends rules, I've got a bridge to sell you lol

[Vampirate]

There are actual rules in place now under the Player Participation Policy and they have independent physicians review whether the injuries are legit. You need an approved reason to sit out your top players if it's for load management, rest and etc. You might be able to get them to sit out a couple games for the entire year but if all 3 are healthy otherwise, they're still going to play the large majority of games.

Yes, top players as in players people come to watch. Lime superstars etc. we don't have those, not to mention I'm not suggesting we just sit the entire SL all at once, a couple games here and there rotating 1-2 of them at a time is plenty to lower our chances of winning.

Guys get nagging injuries all the time, the team just needs to be smart about how they approach them, guy is banged up, he needs a couple games to recover etc. The NBA isn't going to open up an investigation if some random starter on the raptors sits, they care about the stars of the league.

Besides, if Masai is as smart as people like to claim, I have faith they can navigate these waters.

Scottie was an All-Star last year, are we not considering him a "top" player if Trae Young counts?

So, you think Masai should be smart enough to knowingly break the rules and get away with it. Interesting premise I guess.

Regardless of how you think we got here, we are 5/14, the next step is to just simply trade Poetl. (Poetl's value is never going to get higher than it currently is, and this is the year to pull the trigger)

[PushDaRock]

Yes, top players as in players people come to watch. Lime superstars etc. we don't have those, not to mention I'm not suggesting we just sit the entire SL all at once, a couple games here and there rotating 1-2 of them at a time is plenty to lower our chances of winning.

Guys get nagging injuries all the time, the team just needs to be smart about how they approach them, guy is banged up, he needs a couple games to recover etc. The NBA isn't going to open up an investigation if some random starter on the raptors sits, they care about the stars of the league.

Besides, if Masai is as smart as people like to claim, I have faith they can navigate these waters.

Scottie was an All-Star last year, are we not considering him a "top" player if Trae Young counts?

So, you think Masai should be smart enough to knowingly break the rules and get away with it. Interesting premise I guess.

The same Trae who is a 3x all star and a x1 All NBA, who is well known around the league, and so on? The whole reason this stuff was put into place was due to people paying to see games and the marquee players are being sat out for rest. People will raise hell if they pay a bunch of money to see lebron or jokic etc and they are sitting, this is not the same case for Scottie, please tell me you understand the difference here.

And yes, I absolutely think that Masai and any other FO exec in the league would circumvent rules and use any loopholes they can, that's kinda why they have their jobs. Breaking rules, and blatantly breaking rules are 2 different things, the NBA is not going to open up an investigation cause a guy with a minor injury misses a game or two, they will do it if a marquee player does something stupid like Embiid did, publicly stating he won't be playing in any b2b's.

There are levels to this, but if you think not a single exec ever bends rules, I've got a bridge to sell you lol

Are people paying a ton of money to watch Trae Young play as well?

If it's just stars they care about, then why did the Nets also get fined 100k for sitting out 4 rotation players last season? Last I checked, Dinwiddie, Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson and Claxton are nowhere close to stars.

The Play-In, flat lottery odds were all put in place to discourage blatant tanking. So, yes I do think the league cares about teams trying to lose games on purpose when it's egregious.

Now, let's assume they rotate rest for each starter instead to "circumvent" the rules. You don't think other bad teams would do the same thing? Last I checked, sitting out players for rest isn't new. If every bad team is doing it, what advantage is gained from that over the other bad teams? Are you just assuming we are the only team that would sit out our best players?

[PushDaRock]

Yes, top players as in players people come to watch. Lime superstars etc. we don't have those, not to mention I'm not suggesting we just sit the entire SL all at once, a couple games here and there rotating 1-2 of them at a time is plenty to lower our chances of winning.

Guys get nagging injuries all the time, the team just needs to be smart about how they approach them, guy is banged up, he needs a couple games to recover etc. The NBA isn't going to open up an investigation if some random starter on the raptors sits, they care about the stars of the league.

Besides, if Masai is as smart as people like to claim, I have faith they can navigate these waters.

Scottie was an All-Star last year, are we not considering him a "top" player if Trae Young counts?

So, you think Masai should be smart enough to knowingly break the rules and get away with it. Interesting premise I guess.

Regardless of how you think we got here, we are 5/14, the next step is to just simply trade Poetl. (Poetl's value is never going to get higher than it currently is, and this is the year to pull the trigger)

5-14 aka 2.5 games out of the play-in spot

It's a pipe dream for tank nation to have Poeltl just get traded for nothing that helps us win any games in return. It's just not likely to happen without either a massive haul of picks (unlikely) or without someone semi competent to take his place. I don't think Masai has any interest in running another Birch, Baynes, Achiuwa at the 5 experiment again.

[Vampirate]

Scottie was an All-Star last year, are we not considering him a "top" player if Trae Young counts?

So, you think Masai should be smart enough to knowingly break the rules and get away with it. Interesting premise I guess.

Regardless of how you think we got here, we are 5/14, the next step is to just simply trade Poetl. (Poetl's value is never going to get higher than it currently is, and this is the year to pull the trigger)

5-14 aka 2.5 games out of the play-in spot

It's a pipe dream for tank nation to have Poeltl just get traded for nothing that helps us win any games in return. It's just not likely to happen without either a massive haul of picks (unlikely) or without someone semi competent to take his place. I don't think Masai has any interest in running another Birch, Baynes, Achiuwa at the 5 experiment again.

Kuminga (a player who has potential, but his trade value is down, is an excellent buy low value), 1 first round pick and contract filler and i'd be down for it.

Kuminga could explode and is worth a flyer as a reclamation project, much like Ocha wasi.

[djsunyc]

If we lose our next game we are exactly where I thought we would be 20 games in 5-20.

Anyone who thinks we were ever having the worse record in the league was just daydreaming. We just need to be in the top 7 range like 2021 to be in great position for a stacked draft. I have faith even at 7/8 we are getting a top 3 player with our evaluators

5-15, not 5-20.

[PushDaRock]

Regardless of how you think we got here, we are 5/14, the next step is to just simply trade Poetl. (Poetl's value is never going to get higher than it currently is, and this is the year to pull the trigger)

5-14 aka 2.5 games out of the play-in spot

It's a pipe dream for tank nation to have Poeltl just get traded for nothing that helps us win any games in return. It's just not likely to happen without either a massive haul of picks (unlikely) or without someone semi competent to take his place. I don't think Masai has any interest in running another Birch, Baynes, Achiuwa at the 5 experiment again.

Kuminga (a player who has potential, but his trade value is down, is an excellent buy low value), 1 first round pick and contract filler and i'd be down for it.

Kuminga could explode and is worth a flyer as a reclamation project, much like Ocha wasi.

lmao you think you can get Kuminga and a 1st round pick for Jak from the stingiest front office in the league?

[Vampirate]

5-14 aka 2.5 games out of the play-in spot

It's a pipe dream for tank nation to have Poeltl just get traded for nothing that helps us win any games in return. It's just not likely to happen without either a massive haul of picks (unlikely) or without someone semi competent to take his place. I don't think Masai has any interest in running another Birch, Baynes, Achiuwa at the 5 experiment again.

Kuminga (a player who has potential, but his trade value is down, is an excellent buy low value), 1 first round pick and contract filler and i'd be down for it.

Kuminga could explode and is worth a flyer as a reclamation project, much like Ocha wasi.

lmao you think you can get Kuminga and a 1st round pick for Jak from the stingiest front office in the league?

Time will tell, when the cards are on the table things can happen.

[PushDaRock]

Kuminga (a player who has potential, but his trade value is down, is an excellent buy low value), 1 first round pick and contract filler and i'd be down for it.

Kuminga could explode and is worth a flyer as a reclamation project, much like Ocha wasi.

lmao you think you can get Kuminga and a 1st round pick for Jak from the stingiest front office in the league?

Time will tell, when the cards are on the table things can happen.

Sure, let's make a play for Wemby too. Anything can happen right?

[Vampirate]

lmao you think you can get Kuminga and a 1st round pick for Jak from the stingiest front office in the league?

Time will tell, when the cards are on the table things can happen.

Sure, let's make a play for Wemby too. Anything can happen right?

The Warriors are in the final stretches of the Steph timeline, they can ill afford to not make a move or risk being mediocre with Steph until he retires. (Steph makes them good, but he isn't 14/15 Steph anymore, still a Superstar though).

The Dubs need to make a move for contention, simple as that.

The Spurs have all the time in the world, the Warriors don't.

And hanging onto players too long until you have no choice but to trade them will bite you in the ass, we saw this with Masai.

Something over there has to give.

[PushDaRock]

Time will tell, when the cards are on the table things can happen.

Sure, let's make a play for Wemby too. Anything can happen right?

The Warriors are in the final stretches of the Steph timeline, they can ill afford to not make a move or risk being mediocre with Steph until he retires. (Steph makes them good, but he isn't 14/15 Steph anymore, still a Superstar though).

The Dubs need to make a move for contention, simple as that.

The Spurs have all the time in the world, the Warriors don't.

And hanging onto players too long until you have no choice but to trade them will bite you in the ass, we saw this with Masai.

Something over there has to give.

lol so they don't pay up for Lauri who fits that team perfectly but they're going to break the bank for Jak who might not even be a good fit for them, makes sense.

[Psubs]

Regardless of how you think we got here, we are 5/14, the next step is to just simply trade Poetl. (Poetl's value is never going to get higher than it currently is, and this is the year to pull the trigger)

5-14 aka 2.5 games out of the play-in spot

It's a pipe dream for tank nation to have Poeltl just get traded for nothing that helps us win any games in return. It's just not likely to happen without either a massive haul of picks (unlikely) or without someone semi competent to take his place. I don't think Masai has any interest in running another Birch, Baynes, Achiuwa at the 5 experiment again.

Kuminga (a player who has potential, but his trade value is down, is an excellent buy low value), 1 first round pick and contract filler and i'd be down for it.

Kuminga could explode and is worth a flyer as a reclamation project, much like Ocha wasi.

Kuminga can't shoot. If that's okay, I'd rather just draft Adou Thiero, at least he gets steals.

[Vampirate]

Sure, let's make a play for Wemby too. Anything can happen right?

The Warriors are in the final stretches of the Steph timeline, they can ill afford to not make a move or risk being mediocre with Steph until he retires. (Steph makes them good, but he isn't 14/15 Steph anymore, still a Superstar though).

The Dubs need to make a move for contention, simple as that.

The Spurs have all the time in the world, the Warriors don't.

And hanging onto players too long until you have no choice but to trade them will bite you in the ass, we saw this with Masai.

Something over there has to give.

lol so they don't pay up for Lauri who fits that team perfectly but they're going to break the bank for Jak who might not even be a good fit for them, makes sense.

When you're dealing with Ainge you are in rip off city.

However I really don't think they can wait on Kuminga much longer, whose value is truly in the gutter. if Steph was even 25-27, sure, but Steph is 35....

Those players that they wouldn't trade?

Kuminga currently has a 51.2% TS

Podz has a 44% TS.

It's not as rosy as you think.

Also, the Warriors should have made a real move for Lauri, Siakam, OG but their stubbornness is going to bite them.

Eventually Masai needed to trade Siakam and OG, eventually the Warriors will need to make a move as well, if not with us, with someone else. Just a matter of time.

[Vampirate]

5-14 aka 2.5 games out of the play-in spot

It's a pipe dream for tank nation to have Poeltl just get traded for nothing that helps us win any games in return. It's just not likely to happen without either a massive haul of picks (unlikely) or without someone semi competent to take his place. I don't think Masai has any interest in running another Birch, Baynes, Achiuwa at the 5 experiment again.

Kuminga (a player who has potential, but his trade value is down, is an excellent buy low value), 1 first round pick and contract filler and i'd be down for it.

Kuminga could explode and is worth a flyer as a reclamation project, much like Ocha wasi.

Kuminga can't shoot. If that's okay, I'd rather just draft Adou Thiero, at least he gets steals.

Kuminga has a career .590 TS with a .341 FTr.

I'd gladly take a flyer on that.