At what point does 76ers hole become too big?

[UcanUwill]

Tyrese Martin 5 first round picks

And we got pass first PG if anyone is interested, won’t come cheap though

In all seriousness, what would you see for Dennis, Johnson and Finney-Smith, A one first round pick for each?

I think that’s fair but knowing Marks he’d want 2 for each , and prob 1 for DFS

Dennis is playing like he is worth multiple, but thats Shroeder, and I doubt many teams would like idea of giving two firsts for him, just sounds bad, not too long ago, he played for a minumum and just never had a great reputation.

Of course, no fault in asking a ton, thats why negotiations exist, as I say, if Futurama taught us something, its always ask for blood of their first child, just so you would have something to give up in negotiations lol.

[doogie_hauser]

Sixers need to get younger, more athletic and not try build around the toxic Embiid and George contracts but the future in Maxey and McCain.

The thing is I am not sure at all it he wants to stick around from an objectively healthy Sixers mini-reset

[ArksNetsSince99]

In all seriousness, what would you see for Dennis, Johnson and Finney-Smith, A one first round pick for each?

I think that’s fair but knowing Marks he’d want 2 for each , and prob 1 for DFS

Dennis is playing like he is worth multiple, but thats Shroeder, and I doubt many teams would like idea of giving two firsts for him, just sounds bad, not too long ago, he played for a minumum and just never had a great reputation.

Of course, no fault in asking a ton, thats why negotiations exist, as I say, if Futurama taught us something, its always ask for blood of their first child, just so you would have something to give up in negotiations lol.

Maybe Dennis finally grow up , Nets it’s his what like 7th team in 8 seasons , he did fair share of mistakes before both on and off the the court , I really have no complaints about him on the Nets other than he doesn’t line up with our rebuilding timeline

I think Jordi resonates with him well , there is few young coaches in the league he might have a chance with like Spo in Miami or Kenny in Ohio , he would be Amazing in Denver too prob playing behind Murray or as a insurance, problem is all this teams have very little of value to send us back

[ArksNetsSince99]

Sixers need to get younger, more athletic and not try build around the toxic Embiid and George contracts but the future in Maxey and McCain.

The thing is I am not sure at all it he wants to stick around from an objectively healthy Sixers mini-reset

Sixers needs to send Embiid to the Knicks so all this unprotected picks from Bridges trade will turn up top 3

[UcanUwill]

I think that’s fair but knowing Marks he’d want 2 for each , and prob 1 for DFS

Dennis is playing like he is worth multiple, but thats Shroeder, and I doubt many teams would like idea of giving two firsts for him, just sounds bad, not too long ago, he played for a minumum and just never had a great reputation.

Of course, no fault in asking a ton, thats why negotiations exist, as I say, if Futurama taught us something, its always ask for blood of their first child, just so you would have something to give up in negotiations lol.

Maybe Dennis finally grow up , Nets it’s his what like 7th team in 8 seasons , he did fair share of mistakes before both on and off the the court , I really have no complaints about him on the Nets other than he doesn’t line up with our rebuilding timeline

I think Jordi resonates with him well , there is few young coaches in the league he might have a chance with like Spo in Miami or Kenny in Ohio , he would be Amazing in Denver too prob playing behind Murray or as a insurance, problem is all this teams have very little of value to send us back

Maybe its international connection between Dennis and Jordi, both came from European basketball and are foreigners, Dennis always was a star for Germany, he finally reminds people of FIBA self while playing in NBA.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Dennis is playing like he is worth multiple, but thats Shroeder, and I doubt many teams would like idea of giving two firsts for him, just sounds bad, not too long ago, he played for a minumum and just never had a great reputation.

Of course, no fault in asking a ton, thats why negotiations exist, as I say, if Futurama taught us something, its always ask for blood of their first child, just so you would have something to give up in negotiations lol.

Maybe Dennis finally grow up , Nets it’s his what like 7th team in 8 seasons , he did fair share of mistakes before both on and off the the court , I really have no complaints about him on the Nets other than he doesn’t line up with our rebuilding timeline

I think Jordi resonates with him well , there is few young coaches in the league he might have a chance with like Spo in Miami or Kenny in Ohio , he would be Amazing in Denver too prob playing behind Murray or as a insurance, problem is all this teams have very little of value to send us back

Maybe its international connection between Dennis and Jordi, both came from European basketball and are foreigners, Dennis always was a star for Germany, he finally reminds people of FIBA self while playing in NBA.

You might be right about European connection between them , overall from interviews pre and post games I can fairly assess there is no tensions on this Nets team , wasn’t the case with KD Harden and Kyrie here

[Lalouie]

they could implode by embiid and pg getting less than half the season

[John Murdoch]

The Olympics really messed up Joes routine i think he was def way more hurt than he let on and it kinda backfired now they are tryna do damage control

[FarBeyondDriven]

There's a lot of teams in the East that will be tanking hard due to the strength of this draft class so if the Sixers got healthy it's feasible they could make a late run and sneak in

[cgf]

Sixers hole isn't too big, it's just that the rest of the East's lead is too small.

The EC is so bad. Sixers are 3-14 and only 2 games out in the loss column to get into the play in. Bulls and Pistons are tied for the last play in spot with 12 losses. As long as they are somewhat healthy after the All Star break they will get in.

Their biggest issue is they will end up playing someone like Boston in the first round.

Heading into the season the east had 8 teams that should've been clearcut playoff teams...BOS, NYK, CLE, ORL, IND, MIL, PHI, & MIA...a 9th team (ATL) that was a cut below those 8 but a cut above the rest, and then the smattering of younger teams that could be tanking or could start making progress; CHI, TOR, CHA, DET, WAS, BRK.

Now of those 8 likely playoff teams, 3 had big roster shakeups to adjust to (NYK, PHI, MIL) and two have just been disappointing to start the season (IND & MIA). Despite most of those bottom 6 being scrappier than expected so far, those last play-in spots should still be wide open, even after Philly's craptastic start.

But the East is so strong at the top that a play-in spot is still a death sentence...and even if the Heat & Pacers never get going this season so the 6ers can march into the 6th seed, either Orlando or New York should be a brutal matchup for them unless the injuries work out in Philly's favor.

[cgf]

There's a lot of teams in the East that will be tanking hard due to the strength of this draft class so if the Sixers got healthy it's feasible they could make a late run and sneak in

*should be tanking hard

But Detroit & Charlotte are the kind of young teams that could prioritize taking a step forward this season over yet another top pick. Toronto could be too good to tank if their young core stays healthy. And Chicago's ownership cares more about keeping the arena packed than it does about getting a top pick, so will gun for the play-in until it's mathematically impossible.

Washington's tanking hard and Brooklyn seems likely to sell before the deadline even if they don't run out of steam as more talented teams gel/get serious. But I wouldn't be surprised if 3 of those other 4 potential tankers never did start tanking hard and expect at least 2 of them to keep playing hard until the final day.

...especially with the west having so many teams this year who aren't good enough to contend but should win more games than the bottom 6 in the east as they fight for the play-in in the west, even without those eastern teams tanking.

[cgf]

Sixers need to get younger, more athletic and not try build around the toxic Embiid and George contracts but the future in Maxey and McCain.

The thing is I am not sure at all it he wants to stick around from an objectively healthy Sixers mini-reset

Sixers needs to send Embiid to the Knicks so all this unprotected picks from Bridges trade will turn up top 3

We both know that the Nets are going to try to show the Knicks up and respond to us trading for an All-NBA center this summer by trading for an MVP center next summer

[og15]

The Olympics really messed up Joes routine i think he was def way more hurt than he let on and it kinda backfired now they are tryna do damage control

Here's a more expert opinion (not facts, just analysis) on the situation:

https://youtu.be/PZaPdsxd_iQ?si=euMu1wmhsEeGlXAS

Seems like Embiid could be in a situation where there's no predictability anymore with his health. So it actually might have little to do with the Olympics and is simply just about the unpredictable nature of his current situation with his little meniscus remaining knee.

While different etiologies, sounds like a similar situation to Kawhi in terms of pain and swelling that just kinda comes and goes without particularly any specific thing to point to that, "this caused it", just the nature of chronic type injuries. Obviously the video mentioned names you don't want his situation to become, but we'll see what happens.

[shi-woo]

This team is paying over $100 mil a year to Embiid and George over the next 3 years AFTER this year. 40 for Maxey and about 10 for Martin.

About 160 mil for just 4 players. The 1st APRn is 178 for those who didn't know, and the cap is 140.

The fact that we're talking playin here is pretty bad, especially with no guarantee that Joel or George will bounce back, and we know McCain isn't going to be doing this all year once he's no longer the new kid on the block.

I haven't seen a situation worse than this since the Pistons signed Charlie and Josh Smith.

Philly will only be signing washed vets and rookies from here on out till they move one or both of their 50 mil washed vets.

They signed those contracts too knowing the last couple years would be tough, given the age and injury history of both players, so it was all really about these first couple of years. This year is a wash, over. Next year is going to be interesting.

Even if this team won't blow it up, or can't, they should explore seeing what they can get for their other vets. Lowry, Gordon, Drummond, and Oubre might fetch them a pick or a young guy. If they do make the play in it won't be because those guys are going off, it will be because their stars will be playing. I'd try to set up for next year and beyond at this point.

[oldncreaky]

This team is paying over $100 mil a year to Embiid and George over the next 3 years AFTER this year. 40 for Maxey and about 10 for Martin.

About 160 mil for just 4 players. The 1st APRn is 178 for those who didn't know, and the cap is 140.

The fact that we're talking playin here is pretty bad, especially with no guarantee that Joel or George will bounce back, and we know McCain isn't going to be doing this all year once he's no longer the new kid on the block.

I haven't seen a situation worse than this since the Pistons signed Charlie and Josh Smith.

Philly will only be signing washed vets and rookies from here on out till they move one or both of their 50 mil washed vets.

They signed those contracts too knowing the last couple years would be tough, given the age and injury history of both players, so it was all really about these first couple of years. This year is a wash, over. Next year is going to be interesting.

Even if this team won't blow it up, or can't, they should explore seeing what they can get for their other vets. Lowry, Gordon, Drummond, and Oubre might fetch them a pick or a young guy. If they do make the play in it won't be because those guys are going off, it will be because their stars will be playing. I'd try to set up for next year and beyond at this point.

And1 for mentioning the pathetic Pistons with Charlie V and Josh Smith . . . but I think a better analogy is the BRK Nets team built around ageing Celtics KG/Pierce.

I don't think they can get a pick or a young guy for Lowry, Gordon or Drummond: I think they're all min-salary players who hold no trade value. PHI might get something for Oubre, but I wouldn't expect much, or expect what they get back to improve this year's team.

I am also with those saying that just getting to the play-in isn't enough because that's a sure trip to a quick playoff exit. The EC, for all its issues, has a few fine teams at the top, and a couple at roughly .500 that could put it together if they move past injuries.

edit: typo

[AleksandarN]

Embiid has switched nationalities Embiid will now play for Finland because he is Finished. Will he ever be healthy? I don’t know who’s knees are worse Kawhi’s or Embiid’s. At least Kawhi was smart to withdraw from the Olympics.

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[Sixers in 4]

This team is paying over $100 mil a year to Embiid and George over the next 3 years AFTER this year. 40 for Maxey and about 10 for Martin.

About 160 mil for just 4 players. The 1st APRn is 178 for those who didn't know, and the cap is 140.

The fact that we're talking playin here is pretty bad, especially with no guarantee that Joel or George will bounce back, and we know McCain isn't going to be doing this all year once he's no longer the new kid on the block.

I haven't seen a situation worse than this since the Pistons signed Charlie and Josh Smith.

Philly will only be signing washed vets and rookies from here on out till they move one or both of their 50 mil washed vets.

They signed those contracts too knowing the last couple years would be tough, given the age and injury history of both players, so it was all really about these first couple of years. This year is a wash, over. Next year is going to be interesting.

Even if this team won't blow it up, or can't, they should explore seeing what they can get for their other vets. Lowry, Gordon, Drummond, and Oubre might fetch them a pick or a young guy. If they do make the play in it won't be because those guys are going off, it will be because their stars will be playing. I'd try to set up for next year and beyond at this point.

That is why talking about the playin is in many ways missing the forest for the trees. The real question is Embiids health and what kind of player he is going to be going forward.

The franchise's future should be determined by the response to that question. The playin is almost entirely non-consquential to the Sixers right now; it's all about the injury situation. There is no world where the Sixers are a serious contender to win a major championship unless Embiid can return to his MVP self.

If Embiid, even after missing another thirty games or so during the season, manages to show flashes of his MVP former self, I would be a hell-of-alot optimistic about the Sixers' future, both making a run in the playoffs and in the long run, even if we finished tenth as a result of those missed games. However, if he returned and played every game going forward, but it was obvious that he would be a diminished player in the playoffs and for the remainder of his career, we should be looking at blowing things up in the offseason regardless of where we finish.

This is the same calculation that every team needs to make, and even Silver's dumb playin couldn't fix it. Making the playoffs as a below-.500 team is meaningless and doesn't make you a contender. Talent does, and if Embiid isn't right, we aren't a serious contender. I don't care if we are 5th, 7th, or 10th.

[Wallace_Wallace]

When the ship is sinking, all you have to do is drill a bigger hole!

[PhilBlackson]

I really do think them and the Pelicans are just gonna tank it out this season.

[AleksandarN]

I really do think them and the Pelicans are just gonna tank it out this season.

Hmm gave me an idea. What about a Zion for Embiid trade?