Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[theFireBlanket]

There's no way in hell that the Timberwolves are giving us DDV for Pat & the '31 pick.

Thus turning KAT into Randle, Connaughton & a pick.

They did get an interesting DET FRP with some protections too. It was a bad trade from the beginning. If they think they can save faces with two FRPs from DDV good luck to them!

Um. They're playing Donte incorrectly at the moment because Conley's injured. He's not a point.

I don't think they should be moving on from him at all.

[German Athens]

Does anyone know how Bobby’s 15% trade kicker impacts trades?

I know the bucks would have to pay it, unless Bobby waives it, but does that boost his tradable salary?

Right now Bobby’s salary is 12.5M, and the trade kicker would push him over 14M. Does that mean we could trade him straight up for a player making under 14, or does the trade kicker not apply to salary matching?


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[ShootingtheJ]

There's no way in hell that the Timberwolves are giving us DDV for Pat & the '31 pick.

Thus turning KAT into Randle, Connaughton & a pick.

They did get an interesting DET FRP with some protections too. It was a bad trade from the beginning. If they think they can save faces with two FRPs from DDV good luck to them!

Um. They're playing Donte incorrectly at the moment because Conley's injured. He's not a point.

I don't think they should be moving on from him at all.

The thing is, they need a PG, and Donte is a luxury. They already have NAW as a 5th man. I could see them moving Donte for assets, and using some of those and the Detroit pick to get Jaden Ivey. I don't know if he's experienced enough for them though. They need a smart PG because they're an incredibly dumb team

[soxperry]

Assuming everyone is soon healthy this is probably Doc’s 10 man rotation.

Lillard (36)/Wright (12)
Jackson (20)/Green (20)/GTJ (8)
Midds (32)/GTJ (8)/Prince (8)
Giannis (36)/Prince (8)/Bobby (4)
Brook (32)/Bobby (16)

Whose minutes do you trust less? That probably gives you the answer for the Bucks’ bigger needs. IMO you don’t need another big. Once Middleton returns you already have your backup 4/3 with Prince. Obviously more athletic Kuminga would be ideal for that spot, but Prince’s efficient performance from the beginning of the season allows you to use your limited assets elsewhere.

Personally I don’t trust Wright at all and I’m a bit undecided if any of AJJ/Green/GTJ are NBA playoff performers. Which means that you need a SG who can shoot 3s, play some D, play some PG and you need him to be available close to Pat’s money.

That’s a tough one and the only one who comes in mind is DDV. Pat and 2031 FRP for DDV works for Minny, but then you need some more teams to get involved for the Bucks to skip the 2nd apron and make the trade legal. Marjon, Wright, Livingston would also have to go. Maybe Trent too.

Lillard (36)/DDV (12)
DDV (20)/Green (20)/AJJ (8)
Midds (32)/AJJ (8)/Prince (8)
Giannis (36)/Prince (8)/Bobby (4)
Brook (32)/Bobby (16)

I would feel much better if Horst could pull this off. Bring back Bobby/Brook in 10ish deals next season and you have a 3 year fully equipped window to bring another championship.

I'm more worried about the Prince minutes, and who's going to play with Giannis as the small ball 4 and actually help of the glass. DDV would be nice, but a bit of a luxury.

Wright wasn't signed for his regular season efforts. He's a proven playoff performer.

strictly commenting on the bolded part:

Doc mentioned a while back that he has some small ball, Giannis at the 5 stuff, but that it depends on Khris Middleton being healthy. That confuses me. Does he mean he's important to make those lineups work? or that he's important for making the rotations work so that he can leave Giannis and Dame in together and then have Khris come in when they both go out? No idea.

I also have no idea who plays the 4. Could Khris do that? Maybe Andre? Seems kind of matchup dependent. I guess it can be Prince, but i thought the idea of small ball was to get your 5 best players on the court (who aren't slow). I dont think Prince qualifies, even if he's been very solid for us so far.

[raferfenix]

Assuming everyone is soon healthy this is probably Doc’s 10 man rotation.

Lillard (36)/Wright (12)
Jackson (20)/Green (20)/GTJ (8)
Midds (32)/GTJ (8)/Prince (8)
Giannis (36)/Prince (8)/Bobby (4)
Brook (32)/Bobby (16)

Whose minutes do you trust less? That probably gives you the answer for the Bucks’ bigger needs.

This is a helpful distillation.

Prince has been fine but idk if his defense is good enough to be ideal for this role.

Delon Wright has also been disappointing since he’s just not a true PG. Maybe that matters less when Middleton returns but similarly to Prince his defense hasn’t been so good that it’s not an area we could be looking at.

The op floated acquiring Donte or someone like him (I’m skeptical the Wolves bail for what we could offer) also since our young guards are untested in the playoffs. Idk about investing in guys ahead of Green and Ajax though — I might rather bring back Pat Bev for free, which solves for Delon not being a PG too.

Bobby’s the one who most clearly stands out to me as who I don’t trust if we could get a defensive upgrade basically anywhere for him. Pat’s salary is just too small and not enough value to get us anything worth attaching the 2031 pick is my hunch.

[soxperry]

Assuming everyone is soon healthy this is probably Doc’s 10 man rotation.

Lillard (36)/Wright (12)
Jackson (20)/Green (20)/GTJ (8)
Midds (32)/GTJ (8)/Prince (8)
Giannis (36)/Prince (8)/Bobby (4)
Brook (32)/Bobby (16)

Whose minutes do you trust less? That probably gives you the answer for the Bucks’ bigger needs.

This is a helpful distillation.

Prince has been fine but idk if his defense is good enough to be ideal for this role.

Delon Wright has also been disappointing since he’s just not a true PG. Maybe that matters less when Middleton returns but similarly to Prince his defense hasn’t been so good that it’s not an area we could be looking at.

The op floated acquiring Donte or someone like him (I’m skeptical the Wolves bail for what we could offer) also since our young guards are untested in the playoffs. Idk about investing in guys ahead of Green and Ajax though I might rather bring back Pat Bev for free.

Bobby’s the one who most clearly stands out to me as who I don’t trust if we could get a defensive upgrade basically anywhere for him. Pat’s salary is just too small and not enough value to get us anything worth attaching the 2031 pick is my hunch.

i have no idea why Minnesota would trade DDV. They are win-now and he's on a great contract.

But if they WERE interested in trading him, or a guy like him becomes available, that's very intriguing. He's not only a good defender, he just has a knack for always being able to anticipate off ball and making things happen. And he can hit threes now. It's just incredibly valuable to be able to have multiple things in one package.

Same concept with Herb Jones. He's the more realistic target, but the bid war is going to be intense.

[BigO]

Anyone thinking the Bucks are going to trade BP should read the article about him in today's Milwaukee Journal. After reading the Bucks opinion on him, I don't see it happening. Sure, they cold be pumping up his value, but I don't read it that way.

He's the only one, other than Lopez, who is going to bring any value back.

[Bernman]

I love DiVo, but our need for a guy like him diminished dramatically after the acquisition of Trent, Wright, & emergence of Green + Ajax into playable guys. So it makes sense to invest elsewhere. Last year he'd have been a God-send.

As for his poor early start, that happened last yr too, & the yr before also. He's generally a slow starter. And Randle's ball-dominating hurts offensive flow he benefits from. He really took off for NY after Julius was sidelined. Minny should trade Randle.

[soxperry]

Bucks since Giannis called out the team's effort after Knicks beatdown:

Off Rating 115.2 (12th)
Def Rating 109.6 (7th)
Net Rating +5.6 (9th)

Assuming when Khris comes back the offense will go up more than the defense will go down.

Assuming we will find more efficiency as Doc fine tunes the rotations.



Our next 15 is pretty easy. Should be favored pretty significantly in 13 of them while being road dogs to Cle and Bos. Only two games on a back to back. One against Was the other against Atl. I'll be disappointed if we come out of this any worse than 11 and 4, putting us at 20 and 13 on the season.

[raferfenix]

Anyone thinking the Bucks are going to trade BP should read the article about him in today's Milwaukee Journal. After reading the Bucks opinion on him, I don't see it happening. Sure, they cold be pumping up his value, but I don't read it that way.

He's the only one, other than Lopez, who is going to bring any value back.

Can someone share the quotes?

Certainly not definitive but what the Bucks would or wouldn’t deal Bobby for seems like one of the bigger variables in trade scenarios at the moment.

If we’re really mostly offering a combo of 2031 pick / Pat / MarJon around the league that’s different than if Portis is being offered up in those scenarios too.

[ShootingtheJ]

Anyone thinking the Bucks are going to trade BP should read the article about him in today's Milwaukee Journal. After reading the Bucks opinion on him, I don't see it happening. Sure, they cold be pumping up his value, but I don't read it that way.

He's the only one, other than Lopez, who is going to bring any value back.

The fact that with Giannis out, Bobby didn't start and only played 18 minutes, despite that those games have been his best performances, tells me he's available.

I agree that he has trade value. I think most will be surprised at the return we get. Whether that return is worth it just depends and if Horst spends the assets on rising players or over the hill corpses that would have been the right guys 4 years ago but not now.

[paulpressey25]

I love DiVo, but our need for a guy like him diminished dramatically after the acquisition of Trent, Wright, & emergence of Green + Ajax into playable guys. So it makes sense to invest elsewhere. Last year he'd have been a God-send.

As for his poor early start, that happened last yr too, & the yr before also. He's generally a slow starter. And Randle's ball-dominating hurts offensive flow he benefits from. He really took off for NY after Julius was sidelined. Minny should trade Randle.

Donte has been such a high variance player. Between health and shooting ability, one month he’s a top 50 guy. The next month he’s in the top 200.

He’s got to figure it out for Minnesota to have not lost that trade.

[drew881]

Anyone thinking the Bucks are going to trade BP should read the article about him in today's Milwaukee Journal. After reading the Bucks opinion on him, I don't see it happening. Sure, they cold be pumping up his value, but I don't read it that way.

He's the only one, other than Lopez, who is going to bring any value back.

The fact that with Giannis out, Bobby didn't start and only played 18 minutes, despite that those games have been his best performances, tells me he's available.

I agree that he has trade value. I think most will be surprised at the return we get. Whether that return is worth it just depends and if Horst spends the assets on rising players or over the hill corpses that would have been the right guys 4 years ago but not now.

Not starting him doesn't tell me much. A lot of coaches will want to keep guys in similar roles and not mess with routine when another player is out. When you have Lillard, he can carry the starting offense, so you don't need to put Portis in there to replace some of Giannis'' production.

The 18 minutes part is interesting though. Guessing Miami played small, and that's why we saw Pat and even Marjon?

[tydett]

Anyone thinking the Bucks are going to trade BP should read the article about him in today's Milwaukee Journal. After reading the Bucks opinion on him, I don't see it happening. Sure, they cold be pumping up his value, but I don't read it that way.

He's the only one, other than Lopez, who is going to bring any value back.

Get where you're coming from here BigO, but remember that the JS put out a huge puff piece about Jrue finishing his career here about 24 hours before he was traded for Dame!

[Bernman]

Donte has been such a high variance player. Between health and shooting ability, one month he’s a top 50 guy. The next month he’s in the top 200.

He’s got to figure it out for Minnesota to have not lost that trade.

Minnesota also could figure out to bail on the Randle adventure. It had to be a tentative experiment once that move was made. They needed another creator. But he bogs down the O while hindering their d. Now they don't have an identity.

W/ us, until the final injury-laden season, DiVo was top 100. His rebounding & d were strong, & he was positive as a facilitator, while being an adequate shooter. And he's evolved as a shooter + inside scorer. He needs time & fit.

Both clubs may lose ultimately. The better move for NYK would have been to keep DiVo, who was electric there, & re-sign Hartenstein, who's a winning player. Instead they bet on inferior oft-injured Robinson, redundant Bridges, & flawed Towns.

[jute2003]

Anyone thinking the Bucks are going to trade BP should read the article about him in today's Milwaukee Journal. After reading the Bucks opinion on him, I don't see it happening. Sure, they cold be pumping up his value, but I don't read it that way.

He's the only one, other than Lopez, who is going to bring any value back.

Get where you're coming from here BigO, but remember that the JS put out a huge puff piece about Jrue finishing his career here about 24 hours before he was traded for Dame!

Yah. These puff pieces mean about as much as portis making the backups to the backups team usa with walker Kessler cam johnson and Austin reaves

[-Jragon-]

KM played the 4 vs Indy so hope is real.

I'd like it much better than the small ball we tried to play vs Miami with Pat and Bobby in.

With KMs speed, covering 4s is the best hope we have that he stays in front of and near someone on that end.

[ShootingtheJ]

Feels like we're in a bit of a pickle with the lack of play-making/shot creation on the perimeter. Yes, no Giannis and no Khris definitely amplified it vs. Miami, but even when fully healthy, the bench unit is still severely lacking offensively and that's something that simply moving a guy like Trent to the bench is not gonna fully address. AJ Johnson is nowhere near ready as an NBA player, Delon has never been any sort of dynamic offensive creator, and I'm not yet sold that Rollins has that ability/potential based on just a 60-minute sample size. Could be why there's interest in Cam Thomas, but I'd be looking at guys like Cole Anthony, Shake Milton, Marcus Sasser, or Aaron Holiday as buy-low targets.

This is exactly why I'm banging the drum for Dalano Banton. Quicker defensively than Prince. 9' standing reach, he's an effective weakside shotblocker. Portland is loaded with forwards, so he actually gets most of his minutes at PG. He'd allow us to run the same offensive sets as we run with Giannis even when Giannis sits.

Banton per 36 is averaging 21.8 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 2 steals, and 1.6 blocks whole shooting 39% from 3. Portland is a whopping 24 points/100 better with Banton on the floor, yet braindead Chauncy Billups plays him just 15.8 minutes per game.

His contract is just $2.1 million, and we'd have his Early Bird rights. Acquiring 6' 9" point forwards has always been the right move for Milwaukee Bucks.

Banton with 17 points and 5 steals last night in just 23 minutes.

[rayallenscalves]

Assuming everyone is soon healthy this is probably Doc’s 10 man rotation.

Lillard (36)/Wright (12)
Jackson (20)/Green (20)/GTJ (8)
Midds (32)/GTJ (8)/Prince (8)
Giannis (36)/Prince (8)/Bobby (4)
Brook (32)/Bobby (16)

Whose minutes do you trust less? That probably gives you the answer for the Bucks’ bigger needs.

This is a helpful distillation.

Prince has been fine but idk if his defense is good enough to be ideal for this role.

Delon Wright has also been disappointing since he’s just not a true PG. Maybe that matters less when Middleton returns but similarly to Prince his defense hasn’t been so good that it’s not an area we could be looking at.

The op floated acquiring Donte or someone like him (I’m skeptical the Wolves bail for what we could offer) also since our young guards are untested in the playoffs. Idk about investing in guys ahead of Green and Ajax though — I might rather bring back Pat Bev for free, which solves for Delon not being a PG too.

Bobby’s the one who most clearly stands out to me as who I don’t trust if we could get a defensive upgrade basically anywhere for him. Pat’s salary is just too small and not enough value to get us anything worth attaching the 2031 pick is my hunch.

I'd guess Wright goes to the bench and Doc has Midds/Giannis run the offense with Dame out. Can't afford to not have AJ, AJJ and GTJ on the court. Something like the below, but adjust the AJ, AJJ, GTJ and Prince minutes based on who's hot that night.

Dame (36) / Midds (12)
AJJ (12)) / AJ (20) / GTJ (16)
Midds (20) / AJJ (10) / GTJ (10) / Prince (8)
Giannis (36) / Prince (12)
Brook (32) / Bobby (16)

[msiris]

Whats with ali the Donte love? we have AJ Green.