Hou-Uta

[WinterSoldier]

Jazz trade: Sexton, Kessler.


Rockets trade: Adams, Sheppard.


For whatever reason Kessler and the Jazz seem to be separating after a summer of rumors that he was on the trade block. Sexton is at his peak play and will help the Rockets enter a new ceiling this season.

The Jazz are in full tank mode and get a prospect they like.

I know that the Rockets fans hate trading their draftees but they are at the point of winning and no longer can give minutes to development.

[K_chile22]

That is a overpay from Houston, this is not it. Houston doesn't really need a center, a better backup would be nice but Jock has been acceptable. Sexton is worth a mid to late first.


Sexton for Adams and what is likely to be PHXs first makes more sense

[wemby]

I don't see the Rockets having any interest in turning the recent no. 3 pick into 2 ok-ish players

[WinterSoldier]

That is a overpay from Houston, this is not it. Houston doesn't really need a center, a better backup would be nice but Jock has been acceptable. Sexton is worth a mid to late first.


Sexton for Adams and what is likely to be PHXs first makes more sense

I can see the Jazz being interested in a trade like that. We need to start moving our older players in what is looking like a competitive tanking year.

[babyjax13]

I'm not interested in turning Kessler into a lottery pick from the 2024 draft. Sure, some of those guys - maybe even Sheppard - will be better, but a lot won't. I also just hate getting yet another small guard.

[bkohler]

If the Jazz are trading with Houston I think they add value and go after Jabari.

[MoneyTalks41890]

This makes more sense with draft picks.

[Frankie]

If the Jazz are trading with Houston I think they add value and go after Jabari.

The only player Jazz have that would make it worthwhile trading Jabari away is Markkanen, and Jazz would never accept a 1:1 trade, at which point the conversation becomes about what kind of package it would take to get Markkanen out of Utah, which then leads to the inevitable conclusion, for me at least, that Markkanen isn't the 'star player' we should be swinging for to consolidate the team.

[Xman]

Kessler not needed but can go to a third team.
Do not particularly like Sexton but he could help (jgreen still not consistent and vleet has been great or bad).
So, could throw out a pick and some combo of Tate/landale/jeffg/adams.

Or, thread mentioned Jabari. Personally wouldn’t deal him yet. Potential of a 6’11 defender with unblockable three point shot is a lot. Still, Eason has played better and should be the starter now. But if so, need value back in picks.
NO gets Collins, Adams or Landale, Kessler
BKN gets Ingram and missi
Utah gets Simmons and Jabari
Hou gets sexton and picks.
Picks(can be adjusted ):
BKN sends 2027 ny first.
NO sends 2026 first(best of no/mil- top four protected becomes 2027 best of no/mil- unprotected).
Utah sends lowest first of CLE/minn/Utah in 2025, 2027, and 2029.
NO gets the bigs it needs to save its season. Maybe.
Utah gets Jabari who could be huge next to Markky.
BKN gets center prospect to develop and a trial run with Ingram which gives them a better chance to sign him.
Houston gets future picks.

[SkyHook]

Kessler not needed but can go to a third team.
Do not particularly like Sexton but he could help (jgreen still not consistent and vleet has been great or bad).
So, could throw out a pick and some combo of Tate/landale/jeffg/adams.

Or, thread mentioned Jabari. Personally wouldn’t deal him yet. Potential of a 6’11 defender with unblockable three point shot is a lot. Still, Eason has played better and should be the starter now. But if so, need value back in picks.
NO gets Collins, Adams or Landale, Kessler
BKN gets Ingram and missi
Utah gets Simmons and Jabari
Hou gets sexton and picks.
Picks(can be adjusted ):
BKN sends 2027 ny first.
NO sends 2026 first(best of no/mil- top four protected becomes 2027 best of no/mil- unprotected).
Utah sends lowest first of CLE/minn/Utah in 2025, 2027, and 2029.
NO gets the bigs it needs to save its season. Maybe.
Utah gets Jabari who could be huge next to Markky.
BKN gets center prospect to develop and a trial run with Ingram which gives them a better chance to sign him.
Houston gets future picks.

Houston gets FIVE picks for the 284th EPM ranked player in the league? Might be the most guano crazy thing I've ever seen on this board.

[Xman]

[quote="SkyHook"][quote="Xman"]Kessler not needed but can go to a third team.
Do not particularly like Sexton but he could help (jgreen still not consistent and vleet has been great or bad).
So, could throw out a pick and some combo of Tate/landale/jeffg/adams.

Or, thread mentioned Jabari. Personally wouldn’t deal him yet. Potential of a 6’11 defender with unblockable three point shot is a lot. Still, Eason has played better and should be the starter now. But if so, need value back in picks.
NO gets Collins, Adams or Landale, Kessler
BKN gets Ingram and missi
Utah gets Simmons and Jabari
Hou gets sexton [b]and picks.
Picks(can be adjusted ):
BKN sends 2027 ny first.
NO sends 2026 first(best of no/mil- top four protected becomes 2027 best of no/mil- unprotected).
Utah sends lowest first of CLE/minn/Utah in 2025, 2027, [u]and[/u] 2029. [/b]
NO gets the bigs it needs to save its season. Maybe.
Utah gets Jabari who could be huge next to Markky.
BKN gets center prospect to develop and a trial run with Ingram which gives them a better chance to sign him.
Houston gets future picks.[/quote]

Houston gets FIVE picks for the 284th EPM ranked player in the league? Might be the most guano crazy thing I've ever seen on this board.[/quote]

Utah’s picks are worst of three, so pretty much in the 20s. So, worth more than 2nds but still low value. The other two are ok but probably not going to be very high.
Jabari was almost the number one pick two years ago. He is 6’11 and can play solid defense. Houston coach has him focused on defense. If his three point shooting percentage gets in line, then his value is immense. Shooting was his forte at Duke and many believe he will get it in line soon. That is why I wouldn’t deal him. I would ride a three big men getting equal minutes of Sengun/jabari/eason. If dealing him, need to get a lot. Definitely not giving him away b

[SkyHook]

Focused on defense? (383rd in dEPM, 29th percentile.) After two years, his draft position — or the imaginary one you cited — means absolutely nothing in terms of his current value. Maybe he becomes even an average rotation player at some point, but it is not this day.

[LarsV8]

Both Sexton and Kessler would be interesting gambles, and could improve the team.

Reed isn't available, nor is Jabari.

We have our complicated 2025 pick to trade, which would obviously get protected.

Adams, and Tate are out there for salary.

[Xman]

[quote="SkyHook"]Focused on defense? (383rd in dEPM, 29th percentile.) After two years, his draft position — or the imaginary one you cited — means absolutely nothing in terms of his current value. Maybe he becomes even an average rotation player at some point, but it is not this day.[/quote]

Maybe he fails. Many do. But, the possibility of Bosh with the ability to rain threes deserves a little time to see if it gets there.
Odds are against it. But, any GM would be forever ridiculed if it happened. Not taking that risk for Sexton. Even the picks could look bad.

[babyjax13]

Kessler not needed but can go to a third team.
Do not particularly like Sexton but he could help (jgreen still not consistent and vleet has been great or bad).
So, could throw out a pick and some combo of Tate/landale/jeffg/adams.

Or, thread mentioned Jabari. Personally wouldn’t deal him yet. Potential of a 6’11 defender with unblockable three point shot is a lot. Still, Eason has played better and should be the starter now. But if so, need value back in picks.
NO gets Collins, Adams or Landale, Kessler
BKN gets Ingram and missi
Utah gets Simmons and Jabari
Hou gets sexton and picks.
Picks(can be adjusted ):
BKN sends 2027 ny first.
NO sends 2026 first(best of no/mil- top four protected becomes 2027 best of no/mil- unprotected).
Utah sends lowest first of CLE/minn/Utah in 2025, 2027, and 2029.
NO gets the bigs it needs to save its season. Maybe.
Utah gets Jabari who could be huge next to Markky.
BKN gets center prospect to develop and a trial run with Ingram which gives them a better chance to sign him.
Houston gets future picks.

So as I read this, you are proposing...

UTA trades: Sexton, Collins, Kessler, 2025 UTA/MIN/CLE 1st (lowest), 2027 UTA/MIN/CLE 1st (lowest), 2029 UTA/MIN/CLE 1st (lowest)
in: Ben Simmons, Jabari Smith

There is no way we'd consider that, that's a DRAMATIC overvaluation. I like Smith, I'd add a first to Kessler to get him, or maybe two to Sexton to get him ... and if Houston didn't like that I'd understand, but trading 3 1sts, Sexton, and Kessler for Smith would be a devastating price to pay. I'd expect a similar value package for Lauri, and Lauri is much better than Smith (and likely better than what Smith will become).

[Daddy 801]

IMO - Kesslers value is a lot higher now than it was in the summer when all the trade rumors were going around. I don’t watch enough Houston games to know the players mentioned value. But Kessler is a proven commodity to me as a Jazz fan and dealing him away for an unproven player or a late first round pick isn’t worth it to me. He and Lauri are the two players on the Jazz as a GM I wouldn’t really be looking to trade. And most of the offers I see for Kessler are a late round draft pick which makes no sense to me. He was a late round first pick and has proven he should have gone higher in the draft. I would have no interest in trading him for anything except unprotected picks that are going to be higher in the draft. Late round draft picks usually don’t pan out so why trade a late first for a player that is proven? Especially with the Jazz having 2-3 picks in every draft for years to come?

I’m not expecting people to agree their team should give up a high draft pick for Kessler, but if I was the Jazz GM I see no reason to trade Kessler for anything but a guaranteed high pick this upcoming draft or multiple future unprotected picks.

[Xman]

[quote="Daddy 801"]IMO - Kesslers value is a lot higher now than it was in the summer when all the trade rumors were going around. I don’t watch enough Houston games to know the players mentioned value. But Kessler is a proven commodity to me as a Jazz fan and dealing him away for an unproven player or a late first round pick isn’t worth it to me. He and Lauri are the two players on the Jazz as a GM I wouldn’t really be looking to trade. And most of the offers I see for Kessler are a late round draft pick which makes no sense to me. He was a late round first pick and has proven he should have gone higher in the draft. I would have no interest in trading him for anything except unprotected picks that are going to be higher in the draft. Late round draft picks usually don’t pan out so why trade a late first for a player that is proven? Especially with the Jazz having 2-3 picks in every draft for years to come?

I’m not expecting people to agree their team should give up a high draft pick for Kessler, but if I was the Jazz GM I see no reason to trade Kessler for anything but a guaranteed high pick this upcoming draft or multiple future unprotected picks.[/quote]

I haven’t watched him either. Based on comments, that is the value I placed on him. Of course, NO and other center needy teams would have him as higher value. Statistically, looks like a 10/10 guy without any outside game. Only worth a lottery pick if he is defensive ace. Pick in the teens if solid. 20s if defense is mediocre.

[Daddy 801]

IMO - Kesslers value is a lot higher now than it was in the summer when all the trade rumors were going around. I don’t watch enough Houston games to know the players mentioned value. But Kessler is a proven commodity to me as a Jazz fan and dealing him away for an unproven player or a late first round pick isn’t worth it to me. He and Lauri are the two players on the Jazz as a GM I wouldn’t really be looking to trade. And most of the offers I see for Kessler are a late round draft pick which makes no sense to me. He was a late round first pick and has proven he should have gone higher in the draft. I would have no interest in trading him for anything except unprotected picks that are going to be higher in the draft. Late round draft picks usually don’t pan out so why trade a late first for a player that is proven? Especially with the Jazz having 2-3 picks in every draft for years to come?

I’m not expecting people to agree their team should give up a high draft pick for Kessler, but if I was the Jazz GM I see no reason to trade Kessler for anything but a guaranteed high pick this upcoming draft or multiple future unprotected picks.

I haven’t watched him either. Based on comments, that is the value I placed on him. Of course, NO and other center needy teams would have him as higher value. Statistically, looks like a 10/10 guy without any outside game. Only worth a lottery pick if he is defensive ace. Pick in the teens if solid. 20s if defense is mediocre.

Not sure your definition of defensive Ace, but his metrics this year are pretty good. Kessler is pretty high in pick and roll defense. The Jazz are much better on the defensive side when he plays. And he doesn’t have a whole lot of help. We don’t have one guy who I would say is an elite perimeter defensive player. When he gets some additional help his numbers will be even better. He’s just good enough on the defensive side that him being a 10 and 10 player with good to elite defense means he is worth keeping unless a team is willing to give us a pick high enough their is a potential that we get a player who can be better. Just me personally I’d want a pick higher than 15. Or two picks that aren’t guaranteed to be higher than 15 but could end up turning into a pick higher than 15. Especially with the Jazz having a ton of picks that are most likely going to be late frp’s from Cleveland and Minnesota.

Think the Lakers made a mistake not trading for him this offseason if they could have. Letting AD play PF would have been good for him and the team. Plus it would help AD stay healthy. The Lakers would have had a pretty huge lineup with LeBron, AD, and Kessler.