The Clipper General Board w/Random Thoughts, Youth Development, Ex Clippers Shinin', etc. Extravaganza

[Clemenza]

Its going to be tough to catch Houston in the standings

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Its going to be tough to catch Houston in the standings

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My assumption is that if we get a good amount of healthy Kawhi this season, we will pass them. If he ends up essentially gone for the year, then we won't. Maybe it will be somewhere in between? We just gotta stay within earshot of them until Kawhi hopefully gets back.

I feel there is not enough attention paid to this in Clipper media coverage. All everyone talks about is no draft pick control until 2031, we're screwed, etc. And indeed Kawhi's health is a big shadow that will loom large over the franchise for the next 3 years. But so much of that is water under the bridge, and we are a competitive team right now with Kawhi or PG (or even Norm lately) that we all seem to enjoy watching and following. And things at least brighten up potentially if we can keep our pick, and finally draft someone who hopefully has both the body and the skills to be an impact player.

TBH this squad right now is less depressing than one of those franchises that seems perpetually in teardown/lottery mode, always a year away from being a year away. We may reach that point 2-3 years, but for now disaster has been averted.

[Clemenza]

Its going to be tough to catch Houston in the standings

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My assumption is that if we get a good amount of healthy Kawhi this season, we will pass them. If he ends up essentially gone for the year, then we won't. Maybe it will be somewhere in between? We just gotta stay within earshot of them until Kawhi hopefully gets back.

I feel there is not enough attention paid to this in Clipper media coverage. All everyone talks about is no draft pick control until 2031, we're screwed, etc. And indeed Kawhi's health is a big shadow that will loom large over the franchise for the next 3 years. But so much of that is water under the bridge, and we are a competitive team right now with Kawhi or PG (or even Norm lately) that we all seem to enjoy watching and following. And things at least brighten up potentially if we can keep our pick, and finally draft someone who hopefully has both the body and the skills to be an impact player.

TBH this squad right now is less depressing than one of those franchises that seems perpetually in teardown/lottery mode, always a year away from being a year away. We may reach that point 2-3 years, but for now disaster has been averted.

Agreed.. This is more of a soft rebuild we're doing. The complete teardowns don't seem to work anymore. Orlando did one and it took them about 5-6 years, and really they're good now because they scored on Banchero & and the younger Wagner brother. Houston pulled the plug on their complete teardown when they added VanVleet & Dillon Brooks.

This team is fun to watch, but might not be so if Harden were to go down. His health is everything for this squad.

[og15]

Ex Clipper and current Lakers coach JJ Redick looks like he is watching so much fill trying to make the Lakers better and isn't sleeping:

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[Clemenza]

Ex Clipper and current Lakers coach JJ Redick looks like he is watching so much fill trying to make the Lakers better and isn't sleeping:

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Bron was awful last night. Clearly showing his age this season. The announcers brought up how SGA started off with us and it hurt all over again especially after we just lost to Minnesota two hours earlier.

[Clemenza]

Moussa played almost 40 minutes and finished with 6 points and 11 boards in yesterday's one point loss to the Knicks. They're a good young team. Of course BBJ's minutes and touches are reduced with Dejounte Murray & CJ McCollum back. Still a decent statline with 8 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds in 28 minutes.

I hope KPJ's injury isn't serious. Miller is going to have to step and show what he's got the next couple of games. I know Trentyn Flowers is slated for next season, but if theses injuries continue I wonder if he gets a look somewhere down the line this season. Also, is Bones done with this team? Lue has him deep in the doghouse.

[og15]

Ex Clipper and current Lakers coach JJ Redick looks like he is watching so much fill trying to make the Lakers better and isn't sleeping:

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Bron was awful last night. Clearly showing his age this season. The announcers brought up how SGA started off with us and it hurt all over again especially after we just lost to Minnesota two hours earlier.

Lebron is not a good defender, hasn't been for some time, but he's been okay. At the minutes he's playing (and I know he doesn't want to play less), he's just not defending well at all.

The Lakers this season have a better Ortg (113.9 On vs 125.1 Off) and a better Drtg (119.0 On vs 113.5 Off) without Lebron. His total NetRtg is -16.6. This is a guy who hasn't had a negative NetRtg since, well, EVER!

Father time will continue to win. Realistically Lebron should probably be at around 27-28 mpg at this age if he's still trying to have a decent offensive load.

[og15]

Moussa played almost 40 minutes and finished with 6 points and 11 boards in yesterday's one point loss to the Knicks. They're a good young team. Of course BBJ's minutes and touches are reduced with Dejounte Murray & CJ McCollum back. Still a decent statline with 8 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds in 28 minutes.

I hope KPJ's injury isn't serious. Miller is going to have to step and show what he's got the next couple of games. I know Trentyn Flowers is slated for next season, but if theses injuries continue I wonder if he gets a look somewhere down the line this season. Also, is Bones done with this team? Lue has him deep in the doghouse.

BBJ is reverting back to the mean and that's okay, technically it is expected.

8/3/2 sounds fine until we add the 3/10 FG and 2 tov. He's now at 42/30 shooting, right in line with what he was as a Clipper, and he's just a reminder that it is TOUGH to be a good offensive player let alone a high level offensive player over a long period of time at the NBA level.

It's not his fault, it's just the level of basketball he's playing at. The main thing the stretch showed is that he can do some playmaking. His best chance at being a consistent NBA rotation player is honing in that playmaking aspect and working on the defense and spot up shooting.

I'm just not sure he has the ability to be a good enough spot up shooter at the NBA level, he has the defensive tools, but focus, defensive IQ and intensity is harder, but these are the same issue the Clippers saw for him.

[esqtvd]

Moussa played almost 40 minutes and finished with 6 points and 11 boards in yesterday's one point loss to the Knicks. They're a good young team. Of course BBJ's minutes and touches are reduced with Dejounte Murray & CJ McCollum back. Still a decent statline with 8 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds in 28 minutes.

I hope KPJ's injury isn't serious. Miller is going to have to step and show what he's got the next couple of games. I know Trentyn Flowers is slated for next season, but if theses injuries continue I wonder if he gets a look somewhere down the line this season. Also, is Bones done with this team? Lue has him deep in the doghouse.

BBJ is reverting back to the mean and that's okay, technically it is expected.

8/3/2 sounds fine until we add the 3/10 FG and 2 tov. He's now at 42/30 shooting, right in line with what he was as a Clipper, and he's just a reminder that it is TOUGH to be a good offensive player let alone a high level offensive player over a long period of time at the NBA level.

It's not his fault, it's just the level of basketball he's playing at. The main thing the stretch showed is that he can do some playmaking. His best chance at being a consistent NBA rotation player is honing in that playmaking aspect and working on the defense and spot up shooting.

I'm just not sure he has the ability to be a good enough spot up shooter at the NBA level, he has the defensive tools, but focus, defensive IQ and intensity is harder, but these are the same issue the Clippers saw for him.

As previously noted, you just can't keep everybody. Even though BBJ is taller, younger, and the Clippers invested more NBA minutes in him, the Clippers decided to go with Jordan Miller.

[And yes, as a spot-up shooter BBJ showed no plus ability at the 3-pointer even in G-League. A SG who can't S and stretch the floor is pretty useless in the 21st century NBA.]

[og15]

Moussa played almost 40 minutes and finished with 6 points and 11 boards in yesterday's one point loss to the Knicks. They're a good young team. Of course BBJ's minutes and touches are reduced with Dejounte Murray & CJ McCollum back. Still a decent statline with 8 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds in 28 minutes.

I hope KPJ's injury isn't serious. Miller is going to have to step and show what he's got the next couple of games. I know Trentyn Flowers is slated for next season, but if theses injuries continue I wonder if he gets a look somewhere down the line this season. Also, is Bones done with this team? Lue has him deep in the doghouse.

BBJ is reverting back to the mean and that's okay, technically it is expected.

8/3/2 sounds fine until we add the 3/10 FG and 2 tov. He's now at 42/30 shooting, right in line with what he was as a Clipper, and he's just a reminder that it is TOUGH to be a good offensive player let alone a high level offensive player over a long period of time at the NBA level.

It's not his fault, it's just the level of basketball he's playing at. The main thing the stretch showed is that he can do some playmaking. His best chance at being a consistent NBA rotation player is honing in that playmaking aspect and working on the defense and spot up shooting.

I'm just not sure he has the ability to be a good enough spot up shooter at the NBA level, he has the defensive tools, but focus, defensive IQ and intensity is harder, but these are the same issue the Clippers saw for him.

As previously noted, you just can't keep everybody. Even though BBJ is taller, younger, and the Clippers invested more NBA minutes in him, the Clippers decided to go with Jordan Miller.

[And yes, as a spot-up shooter BBJ showed no plus ability at the 3-pointer even in G-League. A SG who can't S and stretch the floor is pretty useless in the 21st century NBA.]

Yea, roster spots are limited, you give players time to show you something and you have to make a decision. You might not always make the right one, but Boston had 105 games / 1353 NBA minutes plus G-League time and showed no real NBA rotation level skills.

Another 17 games and 494 minutes with New Orleans says he's still not there, though he's shown he has some passing acumen that could be built upon. All that said, he was pick #51 so there's no shame there, it's only around 20 guys per draft who stick in the NBA, and I think sometimes we forget that reality.

[esqtvd]

Like BJJ, there isn't any doubt that Jordan Miller can put the ball in the hole. But his plus/minus is lagging--as it did in G-League--and of course that means defense. Minus-7.9 this year, near the bottom; DEAD LAST last year at a mind-boggling MINUS-20.6 per 100 possessions last year out of the 21 players who donned a Clippers uni.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&Season=2023-24&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS


I'm not sure he gets it, or will. He's 25 in January and it appears the Clippers have concluded he doesn't have the lateral foot speed to be a traditional man defender, so they want him to try to be an on-ball attacking defender. If he succeeds, his plus offense will keep him in the league for awhile. But he sounds pretty passive here. Ty says he "trusts" him now, but that could be blowing smoke up his skirts to pump him up. Obviously it's a concern. He can't keep leaking points, especially with our new emphasis on defense.

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[Clemenza]

Like BJJ, there isn't any doubt that Jordan Miller can put the ball in the hole. But his plus/minus is lagging--as it did in G-League--and of course that means defense. Minus-7.9 this year, near the bottom; DEAD LAST last year at a mind-boggling MINUS-20.6 per 100 possessions last year out of the 21 players who donned a Clippers uni.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Per100Possessions&Season=2023-24&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS


I'm not sure he gets it, or will. He's 25 in January and it appears the Clippers have concluded he doesn't have the lateral foot speed to be a traditional man defender, so they want him to try to be an on-ball attacking defender. If he succeeds, his plus offense will keep him in the league for awhile. But he sounds pretty passive here. Ty says he "trusts" him now, but that could be blowing smoke up his skirts to pump him up. Obviously it's a concern. He can't keep leaking points, especially with our new emphasis on defense.

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I'm not going to go too hard on the "old young guy" thing with Miller. There's more than one path into the league. There's a ton of "one and done" lottery picks that are either flaming out or its taking them at least three seasons to become a game changer or a decent role player. Anybody remember the Scoot Henderson for PG trade ideal? Yeah that would've worked out really well.

I think Miller just needs more time on the floor. Of course work harder on his defense, but if or when he gets that jumper/three point shot working, watch out! I get wanting the draft prospects to be youngsters, that's the protoype, but some four year college guys are starting to make a comeback. 16 teams passed on Dalton Knecht because he was a four year guy and 23 years old.

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[Clemenza]

Something might be brewing down in Oceanside. 6'9" with point guard abilities and can jump out of the gym. Only 19 years old. Stay tuned!

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[madmaxmedia]

Like BJJ, there isn't any doubt that Jordan Miller can put the ball in the hole. But his plus/minus is lagging--as it did in G-League--and of course that means defense. Minus-7.9 this year, near the bottom; DEAD LAST last year at a mind-boggling MINUS-20.6 per 100 possessions last year out of the 21 players who donned a Clippers uni.

I'm not sure he gets it, or will. He's 25 in January and it appears the Clippers have concluded he doesn't have the lateral foot speed to be a traditional man defender, so they want him to try to be an on-ball attacking defender. If he succeeds, his plus offense will keep him in the league for awhile. But he sounds pretty passive here. Ty says he "trusts" him now, but that could be blowing smoke up his skirts to pump him up. Obviously it's a concern. He can't keep leaking points, especially with our new emphasis on defense.

I'm not going to go too hard on the "old young guy" thing with Miller. There's more than one path into the league. There's a ton of "one and done" lottery picks that are either flaming out or its taking them at least three seasons to become a game changer or a decent role player. Anybody remember the Scoot Henderson for PG trade ideal? Yeah that would've worked out really well.

I think Miller just needs more time on the floor. Of course work harder on his defense, but if or when he gets that jumper/three point shot working, watch out! I get wanting the draft prospects to be youngsters, that's the protoype, but some four year college guys are starting to make a comeback. 16 teams passed on Dalton Knecht because he was a four year guy and 23 years old.

WRT the 'old young guy' thing, I don't think it should impact our assessment of what he's doing on the floor right now. Now that we've seen him in some regular minutes on an NBA floor, that's the main thing. I think he has better ball skills than BBJ but not the physical gifts, which is not atypical for 'old young guys' in the NBA. I haven't seen him enough, but he almost reminds of Kyle Anderson in that he seems not fast or even somewhat slow but can contribute at the offensive end, and I think that will improve further with more games. But his defense may limit his upside in the NBA.

If you could just put his ball skills and awareness into KPJ's body, we'd really have something.

[esqtvd]

Like BJJ, there isn't any doubt that Jordan Miller can put the ball in the hole. But his plus/minus is lagging--as it did in G-League--and of course that means defense. Minus-7.9 this year, near the bottom; DEAD LAST last year at a mind-boggling MINUS-20.6 per 100 possessions last year out of the 21 players who donned a Clippers uni.

I'm not sure he gets it, or will. He's 25 in January and it appears the Clippers have concluded he doesn't have the lateral foot speed to be a traditional man defender, so they want him to try to be an on-ball attacking defender. If he succeeds, his plus offense will keep him in the league for awhile. But he sounds pretty passive here. Ty says he "trusts" him now, but that could be blowing smoke up his skirts to pump him up. Obviously it's a concern. He can't keep leaking points, especially with our new emphasis on defense.

I'm not going to go too hard on the "old young guy" thing with Miller. There's more than one path into the league. There's a ton of "one and done" lottery picks that are either flaming out or its taking them at least three seasons to become a game changer or a decent role player. Anybody remember the Scoot Henderson for PG trade ideal? Yeah that would've worked out really well.

I think Miller just needs more time on the floor. Of course work harder on his defense, but if or when he gets that jumper/three point shot working, watch out! I get wanting the draft prospects to be youngsters, that's the protoype, but some four year college guys are starting to make a comeback. 16 teams passed on Dalton Knecht because he was a four year guy and 23 years old.

WRT the 'old young guy' thing, I don't think it should impact our assessment of what he's doing on the floor right now. Now that we've seen him in some regular minutes on an NBA floor, that's the main thing. I think he has better ball skills than BBJ but not the physical gifts, which is not atypical for 'old young guys' in the NBA. I haven't seen him enough, but he almost reminds of Kyle Anderson in that he seems not fast or even somewhat slow but can contribute at the offensive end, and I think that will improve further with more games. But his defense may limit his upside in the NBA.

If you could just put his ball skills and awareness into KPJ's body, we'd really have something.

As a matter of perspective, I was just reading this. Anfernee Simons averaged over 20 the past 2 seasons, and went off for 23 points in the 4th quarter the other night. The Blazers aren't sure they want him in their rebuilding phase.

He's 25, ffs.

https://lastwordonsports.com/basketball/2024/12/02/anfernee-simons-blazers-rebuild/#google_vignette

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[Clemenza]

Hummm, did Lawrence Frank f*ck around and construct a stellar roster for a team without draft capital and able to thrive in this new restrictive CBA and injury plagued league that's ripe with parity?

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Turns out Norm was the vet leader we really needed all this time...

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Turns out Norm was the vet leader we really needed all this time...

Beard too. KL and PG are useless. They're simply not normal people. They're weird.