At what point do Lakers fans owe Darvin Ham an apology?

[Godymas]

So far JJ Redick has taken virtually the same Lakers roster with an actual slam dunk of a draft pick to a worse outcome than Darvin Ham at this point in the season.

At the end of November the Lakers were 11-9 last year. Today the Lakes are currently 11-8.

However, the outcome is worse because the Lakers have been knocked out of the NBA Cup while Ham's Lakers, as we know, would go on to win the NBA Cup.

The NBA Cup was not a wash, that same Pacers team that the Lakers beat would go on to make the ECF in the playoffs that year.

The Lakers are a different team this year. Ham had the Lakers play with pace. They were 2nd and 3rd in the league in pace. Additionally, the Lakers were closer to average in terms of their defense and offense with a barely positive net rating. Under JJ's tenure the Lakers have had one of the worst defenses in the NBA and are winning games off their offense. Their pace is significantly slower too. Their net rating is negative and implies their record is better than their actual performance.

Now obviously there are minute differences between this year and last year. LeBron is a year older, Dalton Knecht is the rookie rather than the bust Jalen Hood Schifino. Taurean Prince is not on the team anymore.

But to blame Darvin Ham when he was responsible for pushing the Lakers to that WCF appearance is a bit extreme. Btw, the Lakers lost to the same team in the playoffs two years in a row under Darvin Ham. There is only so much a coach can do against a clear mismatch of rosters.

[Karmaloop]

lol. Tell me you don't watch Lakers' basketball without telling me you don't watch Lakers' basketball.

[meatwad4343]

He was never the problem, just the scapegoat. LeBron is 40 and isn't good enough anymore to drag a team to the finals. This roster as constructed is going to be a play in team fighting for the 7-10 seed with a ceiling of getting bounced in the first round. They were never serious contenders.

[Loneshot]

lol. Tell me you don't watch Lakers' basketball without telling me you don't watch Lakers' basketball.

Seriously. At this point i don't know how it's not trolling.

[Hellcrooner]

At no point.

[Memories]

lol what? Ham is possibly the biggest moron in any NBA coaching staff today.

Lakers struggling has nothing to do with JJ. Anybody that actually watches these games can attest to that. It’s not his fault LeBron is finally showing his age and teammates like Reaves and DLO are crapping the bed while also trying to ice Knecht since Reaves is not Lakers fans’s favorite white boy anymore. JJ is making the best out of the situation.

You think Bucks fans are happy having Ham right now?

[TFJava]

If you are saying Lakers fans owe Darvin Ham an apology, what about Frank Vogel? Frank Vogel won a championship.

[bisme37]

This ham thread is kind of a turkey imo.

[MiltownMadness]

lol what? Ham is possibly the biggest moron in any NBA coaching staff today.

Lakers struggling has nothing to do with JJ. Anybody that actually watches these games can attest to that. It’s not his fault LeBron is finally showing his age and teammates like Reaves and DLO are crapping the bed while also trying to ice Knecht since Reaves is not Lakers fans’s favorite white boy anymore. JJ is making the best out of the situation.

You think Bucks fans are happy having Ham right now?

Really happy having Ham back to be honest, we won a chip with him as a longtime assistant, our guys love him and many said they felt his absence heavy. Bucks are on a major upswing rn with 14 of their next 16 coming against teams with losing records while currently the 5th seed


Feel like Lakers fans are the objectively the worst with using their coach as scapegoat

[Godymas]

If you are saying Lakers fans owe Darvin Ham an apology, what about Frank Vogel? Frank Vogel won a championship.

Vogel was hilarious and sad because he ALSO got completely screwed by the ineptitude of LeGM and NepoPelinka. They basically ruined the roster with the WB trade and then the entire locker room blamed him. Sad.

[og15]

lol what? Ham is possibly the biggest moron in any NBA coaching staff today.

Lakers struggling has nothing to do with JJ. Anybody that actually watches these games can attest to that. It’s not his fault LeBron is finally showing his age and teammates like Reaves and DLO are crapping the bed while also trying to ice Knecht since Reaves is not Lakers fans’s favorite white boy anymore. JJ is making the best out of the situation.

You think Bucks fans are happy having Ham right now?

Lebron has been showing his age for some time to be fair, there has been a lot of stuff attempted to mask it, but LeBron's defensive effectiveness at the minutes and offensive role he plays has been questionable for some time.

Saying Ham is possibly the biggest moron in any NBA coaching staff is laughable though.

[druggas]

lol what? Ham is possibly the biggest moron in any NBA coaching staff today.

Lakers struggling has nothing to do with JJ. Anybody that actually watches these games can attest to that. It’s not his fault LeBron is finally showing his age and teammates like Reaves and DLO are crapping the bed while also trying to ice Knecht since Reaves is not Lakers fans’s favorite white boy anymore. JJ is making the best out of the situation.

You think Bucks fans are happy having Ham right now? :lol:

Really happy having Ham back to be honest, we won a chip with him as a longtime assistant, our guys love him and many said they felt his absence heavy. Bucks are on a major upswing rn with 14 of their next 16 coming against teams with losing records while currently the 5th seed


Feel like Lakers fans are the objectively the worst with using their coach as scapegoat

What was the name of your coach that won a championship? What happened to him?

[sikma42]

JJ is not a better coach than Darvin Ham.

JJ is not a good NBA coach.

Dont really think these things are controversial.


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[MiltownMadness]

lol what? Ham is possibly the biggest moron in any NBA coaching staff today.

Lakers struggling has nothing to do with JJ. Anybody that actually watches these games can attest to that. It’s not his fault LeBron is finally showing his age and teammates like Reaves and DLO are crapping the bed while also trying to ice Knecht since Reaves is not Lakers fans’s favorite white boy anymore. JJ is making the best out of the situation.

You think Bucks fans are happy having Ham right now?

Really happy having Ham back to be honest, we won a chip with him as a longtime assistant, our guys love him and many said they felt his absence heavy. Bucks are on a major upswing rn with 14 of their next 16 coming against teams with losing records while currently the 5th seed


Feel like Lakers fans are the objectively the worst with using their coach as scapegoat

What was the name of your coach that won a championship? What happened to him?

Bucks fans do not = Bucks GM. Just look at this thread, about 6 Lakers fans instantly refused his point without really giving a counter-argument. It's only a matter of a few months before you realize the roster isn't very good then inevitably turn on JJ

[sikma42]

Really happy having Ham back to be honest, we won a chip with him as a longtime assistant, our guys love him and many said they felt his absence heavy. Bucks are on a major upswing rn with 14 of their next 16 coming against teams with losing records while currently the 5th seed


Feel like Lakers fans are the objectively the worst with using their coach as scapegoat

What was the name of your coach that won a championship? What happened to him?

Bucks fans do not = Bucks GM. Just look at this thread, about 6 Lakers fans instantly refused his point without really giving a counter-argument. It's only a matter of a few months before you realize the roster isn't very good then inevitably turn on JJ

I think the team is going to turn on JJ. Eventually the treatment of Austin Reaves and Bronny + poor performance is going to undermine everything he has to say.

After a while the “I’m a sicko” + “I’ll be in a dark basement watching film for the next 2 days” is gonna start raining hollow. The favoritism is gonna be evident and has a particularly bad taste to it. It’s all shaping up to be a **** show.


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[og15]

What was the name of your coach that won a championship? What happened to him?

Bucks fans do not = Bucks GM. Just look at this thread, about 6 Lakers fans instantly refused his point without really giving a counter-argument. It's only a matter of a few months before you realize the roster isn't very good then inevitably turn on JJ

I think the team is going to turn on JJ. Eventually the treatment of Austin Reaves and Bronny + poor performance is going to undermine everything he has to say.

After a while the “I’m a sicko” + “I’ll be in a dark basement watching film for the next 2 days” is gonna start raining hollow. The favoritism is gonna be evident and has a particularly bad taste to it. It’s all shaping up to be a **** show.


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How is he treating Reaves and Bronny?

[SlimShady83]

This ham thread is kind of a turkey imo.

[sikma42]

Bucks fans do not = Bucks GM. Just look at this thread, about 6 Lakers fans instantly refused his point without really giving a counter-argument. It's only a matter of a few months before you realize the roster isn't very good then inevitably turn on JJ

I think the team is going to turn on JJ. Eventually the treatment of Austin Reaves and Bronny + poor performance is going to undermine everything he has to say.

After a while the “I’m a sicko” + “I’ll be in a dark basement watching film for the next 2 days” is gonna start raining hollow. The favoritism is gonna be evident and has a particularly bad taste to it. It’s all shaping up to be a **** show.


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How is he treating Reaves and Bronny?

Reaves has been a mess defensively and has been playing selfish basketball since DK has started thriving. He’s taken horrible shots, over dribbled and just looks out of it at times. This is a lot of what JJ said DLo did before benching him. However, when Reaves is doing it, seems like he is continuing to reward him.

JJ framed the narrative with Bronny as “He earned this, nothing was given.” However he has looked like a bum and it seems like he faked an injury and now gets recalled over Quincy. This is all while Bronny looked like one of the worst players on the G league team.

What message does that send? Looks like a dynamic where people aren’t held to the same standard. And when that happens people question decisions and leadership crumbles. Its may hold up when you are winning, but the Lakers aren’t good.


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[Tottery]

Never. He never took accountability. He lost the locker room from constantly throwing players under the bus. Reddick needs to mind his words or the same will happen.

Also, Dlo played a lot better last season. He is struggling right now. James looks more gassed than ever and there have been roster changes.

They won't be legit contenders until they acquire 2 way players and fans know that.

[Godymas]

Never. He never took accountability. He lost the locker room from constantly throwing players under the bus. Reddick needs to mind his words or the same will happen.

Also, Dlo played a lot better last season. He is struggling right now. James looks more gassed than ever and there have been roster changes.

They won't be legit contenders until they acquire 2 way players and fans know that.

? He lost the locker room?

Frank Vogel also “lost the locker room”

At what point does it become clear who controls the locker room and deserves the blame?