NBA Trade Thread #11

[sco]

That article is nothing but aged wishes that didn't happen at the deadline last year or over the summer. Yeah they want to trade Zach, is anybody coming up with something besides Rui, DLo, JHS and Vincent from the Lakers? The same for Vuc, notice they don't mention his stellar defense this year? So who wants him? There's no point to trading Lonzo Ball, any team has got to see him as an injury risk as he tries to get more minutes. The Bulls do nothing by clearing his expiring contract, are they going to get some kid with potential and a pick in return? No. In fact I may be the only one thinking if Lonzo is healthy and plays well the res of the season he might come back to the Bulls at a minimum price tag.

I think Zo does come back.

I agree that there is no traction to a trade for Vuc or Zach. I think Vuc goes first and then Zach or Coby at the deadline.

I can't see a Zach deal getting done this season, unfortunately. He only has value to a playoff team, but few, if any, have the salaries to match and the picks to make it remotely interesting. I think teams will take note of Vuc's play, and there may be a taker out there. I certainly wouldn't mind trading Coby or Pat, but honestly, if we are rid of Vuc (and ideally Zach, but unlikely), I still want to see if they can thrive, or at least, up their value.

[sco]

I wonder if the Pels would do a trade for Vuc, they say they want to compete. He might really help them by spreading their offense, giving room for Zion to operate.

If we could get Jones, and/or Missi back in a deal, I'd be thrilled.

[Infinity2152]

I wonder if the Pels would do a trade for Vuc, they say they want to compete. He might really help them by spreading their offense, giving room for Zion to operate.

If we could get Jones, and/or Missi back in a deal, I'd be thrilled.

Seriously doubt they'd give up their best defender in Jones to take on Vuc. Deal that might be attractive to both side I think: Brandon Ingram/Daniel Theis for Vucevic and Pat Williams. We might be able to get a pick or two back in that one. Pelicans lineup: Murray, McCullum, Jones, Zion, Vuc with Pat as sixth man, and starter insurance for Zion, as he's always injured. We'd have to re-sign Ingram ,but he's pretty damn good, and we'e replacing Pat's long term contract and Vuc's short term with Ingram's new contract.

You get Dejounte Murray, Herb Jones, and Williams on the floor with Vuc, you could seriously minimize his defensive weaknesses.

[Chi town]

Pels seems like a fit for Vuc if they start winning and show they have a shot at the playoffs. Same for Hornets. Vuc would help both teams a ton.

I think it will be the Lakers.

Think Coby goes at the deadline and Zach during the summer.

[Muzbar]

People need to temper their expectations. I don't think a 34yo non rim protecting big man is going to get you a lottery pick, maybe not even a FRP at all.

Vuc would be a good addition to the Pels I agree, but they don't have the realistic contracts to match his salary unless they trade the Bulls Brandon Ingram in which case the Bulls would then have to add more salary to match Ingrams deal. Maybe there's a 3-way trade to be made that sends Ingram to another team.

I don't think anyone should have super high expectations on returns, it'll only leave you disappointed.

[Infinity2152]

People need to temper their expectations. I don't think a 34yo non rim protecting big man is going to get you a lottery pick, maybe not even a FRP at all.

Vuc would be a good addition to the Pels I agree, but they don't have the realistic contracts to match his salary unless they trade the Bulls Brandon Ingram in which case the Bulls would then have to add more salary to match Ingrams deal. Maybe there's a 3-way trade to be made that sends Ingram to another team.

I don't think anyone should have super high expectations on returns, it'll only leave you disappointed.

Looks like the Pelicans are going to have to send Ingram somewhere. Agree the only way Vuc goes there is in an Ingram trade, but it's highly likely that Ingram gets traded anyway. Given the fact that the Bulls have apparently put Pat Will on the market, on paper a Vuc/Williams for Ingram/Missi works and could be a positive for both teams. If we take it as a given Lavine will be traded, Pat and Vuc contracts will both be gone, Ingram's contract won't be a problem. He's a high level #2, but I don't think he's getting a Lavine contract. Adding Missi is a huge plus. For the Pelicans, they get a 20 pt starting center and a younger, much cheaper albeit lower level, replacement for Ingram in Williams. Williams scoring won't be an issue with Murray, McCullum, Zion, Vuc on the team. Mostly depends on what the team thinks of Ingram long term and if he's willing to commit to re-signing.

There's not going to be a huge trade market for Ingram before the deadline. Pel's are in a worse situation than we are with Lavine, Ingrams expiring, they could lose him for nothing. Vuc is scoring and rebounding at an All-star level. Regardless of his deficiencies, at $20 mill, there's value in that. And 34 is not old with 2 years left on contract, especially for a center.

[jnrjr79]

People need to temper their expectations. I don't think a 34yo non rim protecting big man is going to get you a lottery pick, maybe not even a FRP at all.

Vuc would be a good addition to the Pels I agree, but they don't have the realistic contracts to match his salary unless they trade the Bulls Brandon Ingram in which case the Bulls would then have to add more salary to match Ingrams deal. Maybe there's a 3-way trade to be made that sends Ingram to another team.

I don't think anyone should have super high expectations on returns, it'll only leave you disappointed.

Looks like the Pelicans are going to have to send Ingram somewhere. Agree the only way Vuc goes there is in an Ingram trade, but it's highly likely that Ingram gets traded anyway. Given the fact that the Bulls have apparently put Pat Will on the market, on paper a Vuc/Williams for Ingram/Missi works and could be a positive for both teams. If we take it as a given Lavine will be traded, Pat and Vuc contracts will both be gone, Ingram's contract won't be a problem. He's a high level #2, but I don't think he's getting a Lavine contract. Adding Missi is a huge plus. For the Pelicans, they get a 20 pt starting center and a younger, much cheaper albeit lower level, replacement for Ingram in Williams. Williams scoring won't be an issue with Murray, McCullum, Zion, Vuc on the team. Mostly depends on what the team thinks of Ingram long term and if he's willing to commit to re-signing.

There's not going to be a huge trade market for Ingram before the deadline. Pel's are in a worse situation than we are with Lavine, Ingrams expiring, they could lose him for nothing.

The Pels are indeed in a tough spot. I saw a Windhorst report today saying that basically right now there’s no progress in a new contract with New Orleans, and none of the teams that would otherwise be interested in Ingram are willing to pay him what he wants. He may have to expire and go out on the market and get what value he can, which would be a risky play.

[Muzbar]

People need to temper their expectations. I don't think a 34yo non rim protecting big man is going to get you a lottery pick, maybe not even a FRP at all.

Vuc would be a good addition to the Pels I agree, but they don't have the realistic contracts to match his salary unless they trade the Bulls Brandon Ingram in which case the Bulls would then have to add more salary to match Ingrams deal. Maybe there's a 3-way trade to be made that sends Ingram to another team.

I don't think anyone should have super high expectations on returns, it'll only leave you disappointed.

Looks like the Pelicans are going to have to send Ingram somewhere. Agree the only way Vuc goes there is in an Ingram trade, but it's highly likely that Ingram gets traded anyway. Given the fact that the Bulls have apparently put Pat Will on the market, on paper a Vuc/Williams for Ingram/Missi works and could be a positive for both teams. If we take it as a given Lavine will be traded, Pat and Vuc contracts will both be gone, Ingram's contract won't be a problem. He's a high level #2, but I don't think he's getting a Lavine contract. Adding Missi is a huge plus. For the Pelicans, they get a 20 pt starting center and a younger, much cheaper albeit lower level, replacement for Ingram in Williams. Williams scoring won't be an issue with Murray, McCullum, Zion, Vuc on the team. Mostly depends on what the team thinks of Ingram long term and if he's willing to commit to re-signing.

There's not going to be a huge trade market for Ingram before the deadline. Pel's are in a worse situation than we are with Lavine, Ingrams expiring, they could lose him for nothing.

The Pels aren't going to trade Missi in any deal for Vuc, those thoughts need to stop. He's been the only bright spot on their season so far.

I'd be fine getting back Ingram in a Vuc/filler trade so long as Zach is unloaded elsewhere also, I'd also be fine with letting Ingram walk if it so happens, or sign him to a short-term deal.

People need to think more like realistic scenarios rather than 'dream' scenarios.

[Chi town]

Realistic are a 2nd round swap for late first.

I’d take that over two seconds.

Vuc and Craig should get us that or a future 1st.

[Dez]

Realistic are a 2nd round swap for late first.

I’d take that over two seconds.

Vuc and Craig should get us that or a future 1st.

Vuc isn't fetching a 1st no matter what happens.

[kodo]

Vuc is a tough fit in most places in the league because you're playing 4 on 5 defensively. Bulls not only give up the most points in the paint in the league, it's a massive margin from team #29. It's really the biggest reason why our D is so bad, because although it may not look like it the guys are doing a great job on 3P% defense (10th best in the league). Our 2P defense is 30th on %.

Teams that might be able to swallow Vuc's shortcomings probably have go double big like Minny last season.

[Chi town]

Will be fascinating to see what the Dubs do. Steph has made it clear he wants to win at the end of his career and compete for titles.

Lavine seems to fit the bill better than anyone available. He’d be electric next to Steph.

[Chi town]

Coby for Goga, TDS or Jett and DEN 2024 1st.

We get a young defensive C and replacement for Vuc.

[Muzbar]

Will be fascinating to see what the Dubs do. Steph has made it clear he wants to win at the end of his career and compete for titles.

Lavine seems to fit the bill better than anyone available. He’d be electric next to Steph.

The problem, as always, is matching Zachs salary, after Steph their next biggest contracts are Wiggins (26m) and Draymond (24m) so unless the Bulls are going to take back either of those players I don't think there's a deal with GSW for Zach. Otherwise the Warriors would have to trade 5 players just to match his salary...

Vuc on the other hand.

[Chi town]

Will be fascinating to see what the Dubs do. Steph has made it clear he wants to win at the end of his career and compete for titles.

Lavine seems to fit the bill better than anyone available. He’d be electric next to Steph.

The problem, as always, is matching Zachs salary, after Steph their next biggest contracts are Wiggins (26m) and Draymond (24m) so unless the Bulls are going to take back either of those players I don't think there's a deal with GSW for Zach. Otherwise the Warriors would have to trade 5 players just to match his salary...

Vuc on the other hand.

The only way IMO we get off Zach’s deal is by taking another contract we don’t really want. Ideally it’s a player you can flip in a year. Can’t stand Wiggins but at 27M per for same time as Zach’s deal… I do it if we got the Dubs 1st this year or Bpod.

Same for DET. Zach’s a great spot for them. They would need THJ and Stewart and add in Ausar or Holland. They can’t trade their 1st.

Maybe Zach gets traded at the draft when it’s way easier.

When the dust settles I will be surprised if we do t see Vuc Craig and at least one of Coby or Zach traded.

[Muzbar]

Coby for Goga, TDS or Jett and DEN 2024 1st.

We get a young defensive C and replacement for Vuc.

I like to trade for the Bulls (especially if Jett is involved), I'd send Torrey Graig (or THT) out to match salaries and make it more appealing to Orlando.

I'm not sure the Magic would go for it though. They already have Suggs, Black, KCP, Cole, Harris & Joseph in the backcourt, I don't see a fit for Coby.

Also, just to nitpick, it would be the Nuggets 2025 FRP.

[Chi town]

Coby for Goga, TDS or Jett and DEN 2024 1st.

We get a young defensive C and replacement for Vuc.

I like to trade for the Bulls (especially if Jett is involved), I'd send Torrey Graig (or THT) out to match salaries and make it more appealing to Orlando.

I'm not sure the Magic would go for it though. They already have Suggs, Black, KCP, Cole, Harris & Joseph in the backcourt, I don't see a fit for Coby.

Also, just to nitpick, it would be the Nuggets 2025 FRP.

They are by far the worst 3pt shooting team in the league. They have plenty of mins for Coby.

They won’t want to trade Goga. They will want to trade Anthony but he sucks and he’s paid for next season. I’d take Anthony if they were trading us Anthony Black.

[Chi town]

Coby for Goga, TDS or Jett and DEN 2024 1st.

We get a young defensive C and replacement for Vuc.

I like to trade for the Bulls (especially if Jett is involved), I'd send Torrey Graig (or THT) out to match salaries and make it more appealing to Orlando.

I'm not sure the Magic would go for it though. They already have Suggs, Black, KCP, Cole, Harris & Joseph in the backcourt, I don't see a fit for Coby.

Also, just to nitpick, it would be the Nuggets 2025 FRP.

Yep. Protected 1-5. Think it lands 20-24 this draft.

[Muzbar]

Will be fascinating to see what the Dubs do. Steph has made it clear he wants to win at the end of his career and compete for titles.

Lavine seems to fit the bill better than anyone available. He’d be electric next to Steph.

The problem, as always, is matching Zachs salary, after Steph their next biggest contracts are Wiggins (26m) and Draymond (24m) so unless the Bulls are going to take back either of those players I don't think there's a deal with GSW for Zach. Otherwise the Warriors would have to trade 5 players just to match his salary...

Vuc on the other hand.

The only way IMO we get off Zach’s deal is by taking another contract we don’t really want. Ideally it’s a player you can flip in a year. Can’t stand Wiggins but at 27M per for same time as Zach’s deal… I do it if we got the Dubs 1st this year or Bpod.

Same for DET. Zach’s a great spot for them. They would need THJ and Stewart and add in Ausar or Holland. They can’t trade their 1st.

Maybe Zach gets traded at the draft when it’s way easier.

When the dust settles I will be surprised if we do t see Vuc Craig and at least one of Coby or Zach traded.

You're not getting Podz for Zach, they wouldn't trade him for Lauri.

I still think the Lakers are the only team with enough contracts to make a play at Zach, unless the Nuggets feel Zach is better than MPJ and swap them.

The size of Zachs deal is the biggest hurdle as most teams would have to include 3-4 players to reach his salary and then you've got roster issues to even make such a trade.

[Chi town]

The problem, as always, is matching Zachs salary, after Steph their next biggest contracts are Wiggins (26m) and Draymond (24m) so unless the Bulls are going to take back either of those players I don't think there's a deal with GSW for Zach. Otherwise the Warriors would have to trade 5 players just to match his salary...

Vuc on the other hand.

The only way IMO we get off Zach’s deal is by taking another contract we don’t really want. Ideally it’s a player you can flip in a year. Can’t stand Wiggins but at 27M per for same time as Zach’s deal… I do it if we got the Dubs 1st this year or Bpod.

Same for DET. Zach’s a great spot for them. They would need THJ and Stewart and add in Ausar or Holland. They can’t trade their 1st.

Maybe Zach gets traded at the draft when it’s way easier.

When the dust settles I will be surprised if we do t see Vuc Craig and at least one of Coby or Zach traded.

You're not getting Podz for Zach, they wouldn't trade him for Lauri.

I still think the Lakers are the only team with enough contracts to make a play at Zach, unless the Nuggets feel Zach is better than MPJ and swap them.

The size of Zachs deal is the biggest hurdle as most teams would have to include 3-4 players to reach his salary and then you've got roster issues to even make such a trade.

Dubs will trade BPod. He’s not even playing that much and he’s not having a great season. They just decided BPod and 4-5 1sts was too much. Dubs HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE or I think Steph will ask for a trade after season. I live here in SF. He’s made it known.

Zach and Craig are better than MPJ for sure. But that gives Chicago no value unless we can get a 3rd team involved for a 1st for MPJ.