Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[Shwaguy]

The guy was 15 points on 15 shots for 90% of the game, i'm calling it like it is.

10 boards and 9 dimes it wouldn't have been a bad game even if he stayed at 15. You are acting like 7-15 is the end of the world, he just wasn't at the line much this game. You are far too obsessed with TS%

Can tell who was and was not around for the Lowry years, that dude had a star level impact on nights he only had 10 points. Scottie is of the same breed but 6'9.

Raptors 5-5 with Scottie, and 2-9 without him further shows my point too.

Just because he didn't have a dominant TS night in a given game does not mean he was mid.

You're confusing mid with bad. I didn't say he had a bad scoring night, just honestly a so so one.

Barnes against the Pelicans was a bad scoring night. Tonight, he was ok.

Well, you said mid night overall, not mid scoring night, which I would be more inclined to agree with.

[MEDIC]

Scotty scared.

Yeah. He looks nervous at the end of games. He has to get over that & be the man. I was happy to see him get to the FT line twice & have to.make those crunch time FT's. It's good for his development..

[Vampirate]

10 boards and 9 dimes it wouldn't have been a bad game even if he stayed at 15. You are acting like 7-15 is the end of the world, he just wasn't at the line much this game. You are far too obsessed with TS%

Can tell who was and was not around for the Lowry years, that dude had a star level impact on nights he only had 10 points. Scottie is of the same breed but 6'9.

Raptors 5-5 with Scottie, and 2-9 without him further shows my point too.

Just because he didn't have a dominant TS night in a given game does not mean he was mid.

You're confusing mid with bad. I didn't say he had a bad scoring night, just honestly a so so one.

Barnes against the Pelicans was a bad scoring night. Tonight, he was ok.

Well, you said mid night overall, not mid scoring night, which I would be more inclined to agree with.

Barnes was a -12 tonight, and tbh given what I am coming to expect of him now, yeah, nice stats, but mid game (when talking about expectations of him)

In other words, I think he's starting to raise the threshold where a game like this isn't that impressive.

[HiJiNX]

You're confusing mid with bad. I didn't say he had a bad scoring night, just honestly a so so one.

Barnes against the Pelicans was a bad scoring night. Tonight, he was ok.

Well, you said mid night overall, not mid scoring night, which I would be more inclined to agree with.

Barnes was a -12 tonight, and tbh given what I am coming to expect of him now, yeah, nice stats, but mid game (when talking about expectations of him)

In other words, I think he's starting to raise the threshold where a game like this isn't that impressive.

I think Barnes was good in two quarters tonight and bad in two quarters. The quarters he was bad in he was trusted to carry bench lineups…and couldn’t. Dishing off to Mitchell or Shead or dumping in to one of our bigs who can’t score in the post is not what he needs to be doing. He needs to be running empty side two man game or some on ball screen and roll action from the top. Granted, we did try the latter, but he wasn’t able to orchestrate as the handler or the roller. Clearly needs development in the pnr.

There was a lot of good tonight but some bad mixed in.

He did get deer in the headlights at the end. I don’t think that was being scared, I think that was absolutely not knowing how to attack a late game defence keyed onto him. Eventually over time he should get more comfortable in those situations. He did swish what ultimately was the dagger three from 30 feet out. But you want him to be smarter attacking an NBA defence in crunch time.

[MEDIC]

[I think Barnes was good in two quarters tonight and bad in two quarters. The quarters he was bad in he was trusted to carry bench lineups…and couldn’t. Dishing off to Mitchell or Shead or dumping in to one of our bigs who can’t score in the post is not what he needs to be doing.

Imagine when Quickley & Dick come back (& possibly Brown & Olynyk). We won't have these soft spots in the rotation anymore. Scottie can be at his best at all times on the floor because he will always have firepower and spacing around him. Dick, Quickley, Battle, Ochai & RJ. All serious 3 point threats (plus Olynyk is a spacer himself). The game is going to get a lot easier for Scottie.

What then? I could see them playing .500+ ball.

[hype_2004]

[I think Barnes was good in two quarters tonight and bad in two quarters. The quarters he was bad in he was trusted to carry bench lineups…and couldn’t. Dishing off to Mitchell or Shead or dumping in to one of our bigs who can’t score in the post is not what he needs to be doing.

Imagine when Quickley & Dick come back (& possibly Brown & Olynyk). We won't have these soft spots in the rotation anymore. Scottie can be at his best at all times on the floor because he will always have firepower and spacing around him. Dick, Quickley, Battle, Ochai & RJ. All serious 3 point threats (plus Olynyk is a spacer himself). The game is going to get a lot easier for Scottie.

What then? I could see them playing .500+ ball.

I mean a fully healthy Raptors team could easily be 15-6 instead of 6-15 as the team is much better than their record indicates.

[Shwaguy]

[I think Barnes was good in two quarters tonight and bad in two quarters. The quarters he was bad in he was trusted to carry bench lineups…and couldn’t. Dishing off to Mitchell or Shead or dumping in to one of our bigs who can’t score in the post is not what he needs to be doing.

Imagine when Quickley & Dick come back (& possibly Brown & Olynyk). We won't have these soft spots in the rotation anymore. Scottie can be at his best at all times on the floor because he will always have firepower and spacing around him. Dick, Quickley, Battle, Ochai & RJ. All serious 3 point threats (plus Olynyk is a spacer himself). The game is going to get a lot easier for Scottie.

What then? I could see them playing .500+ ball.

They are already .500 when Scottie plays and finishes the game this season, so you're probably right.

[Purple+Black]

I think we harp too much on Scottie’s scoring on this forum - we expect him to fit a stereotypical mold: your highest ppg scorer who will score in the clutch when you need it most.

Let that go. If he develops that ability at some point in his career, great. He’s a unique player who will not fill any molds, you have to stretch to find a good comparison.

Bigger prime Draymond with better handles, more rebounding, better vision and potential for good shooting.

I really see him as that 6’ 9” Lowry who can do it all and make clutch plays and not necessarily clutch shots. That’s a damn good player and worthy of a max contract.

Let’s hope to land that alpha clutch scorer in the next draft and let Scottie be who he is. You really do not need two of those on one team anyway. He’s a damn triple double threat every time he steps onto the court, I will take that and build around it.

[tsherkin]

Fourth straight game of double-digit rebounds. Fifth straight game with 7+ assists (it's 6 if you make it 6+ assists). Pretty good feeds all throughout. Hi-lo to Poeltl early, had a nice toss up to RJ in the key later, etc, etc. Had a nice one in the third where he pulled up a drive and threw a nice bounce pass to Boucher.

Scottie' scoring by quarter:

1Q: 2/5 FG - 1/3 3P, 0/1 FT. He missed a shot in the top half of the circle and hit a 4-footer on the right side.

2Q: 4/4 FG - baseline 6-footer on the left, 17-footer on the right from under the FT line extended (decent slow pull-up), 10-footer on the R side just below the bottom of the circle, and a 12-footer in the bottom half of the circle.

3Q: 1/4 FG - hit a 14-footer almost at the nail (kind of a slow pullup; defender bailed on him and he had time to settle), missed a 9-footer at the bottom edge of the bottom half of the circle, missed a 6-footer on the R baseline, missed a 17-footer on the R baseline.

4Q: 2/4 FG, 1/2 3P, 3/4 FT - 1/2 on above-break 3s (RJ hit him on a pass-back and he got to step into it), missed a 15-footer at the nail, stuck a 9-footer in the R side of the key.

He has an interesting drive; they shade him but he pivots back in and throws the lefty hook.


Nice game overall. Rough in the 1st and 3rd as far as hitting shots, but he was getting looks which are promising. Didn't get into the RA as much as the last couple games, but was trying his pull-up, trying some baseline action, looking at the 3 a little but not too much. Used his frame pretty well, got to where he wanted out of the high screen nicely.

Quality game. "Only" 23 points with that near-triple-double, but 59.9% TS, which is +2.5% rTS at the moment.

[Fairview4Life]

His legs are comically long for his body. It looks like he's running around on stilts.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Vampirate]

Well that game happened.

Safe to say Barnes TS is about to go up.

[Brinbe]

scottie def in a solid groove right now with his game. just gotta hope he stays healthy so he can go on a nice run when he's playing at this level.

[DG88]

Hit a new career high

[Shwaguy]

Saw a Grant Hill if he stayed healthy comp and wow yeah I see the vision completely.

[WuTang_CMB]

we got one

[Vampirate]

I think Barnes is one of those players that with any type of momentum he's a basket.

Getting that momentum is the tricky part.

[brownbobcat]

Saw a Grant Hill if he stayed healthy comp and wow yeah I see the vision completely.

It's like Scottie's BBIQ and body are just several steps ahead of his skillset right now. The vision is there, his handle and jumper are still so clunky

[dTox]

Handles are one of the few skills that can be taught, I'm confident he can improve on that over time. What you can't teach, is his elite feel for the game. What a talent

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[Tripod]

Saw a Grant Hill if he stayed healthy comp and wow yeah I see the vision completely.

It's like Scottie's BBIQ and body are just several steps ahead of his skillset right now. The vision is there, his handle and jumper are still so clunky

Yeah he just is not a smooth athlete yet. But that's also something to be excited about. Still has a bunch he can improve on yet is already so impactful.

What if his 3 gets better
What if his midrange gets better
What if he starts drawing more contact on drives
What if he gets a quicker 1st step
What if he gets more FTA
What if he plays with a stretch C to open the paint

Imagine if just some of these get better