49ers to give Kyle Shanahan new 6-year contract

[thesack12]

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Kyle absolutely needs to win a Lombardi to become truly elite. There is no debate worth having about that.

One thing to keep in mind is for the longest time Andy Reid was considered a very good coach that couldn't win the big one....until he did.

Lets hope Kyle Shanahan = Andy Reid 2.0

[Jikkle]

Probably not the time to have extended discussion but the 49ers window is now and they will have to make big decisions after next season.

Shanahan is signed through the 2025 season. So for 2026, he'd have to get a new deal.

Purdy comes off his rookie contract after 2025 season.

Spotrac says a lot of key players contracts can be voided after the 2024 or 2025 seasons. For instance, CMC contract can be voided for 2026. Same with Deebo and Kittle.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/yearly/cap/

Armstead makes $28.353 in 2024 and then contract could be voided in 2025.

Warner and Greenlaw are scheduled to make $24.4 and $9.6 million in 2024 and have their contracts voided in 2025.

Ward makes $17.9 million in 2024 and can have his deal voided in 2025.

Trent is set to make $31.5, $34.1 and $37.8 in 2024, 2025 and 2026.

Hargrave is set to make $15.4, $26.5 and $28.3 million in the next 3 seasons.

Bosa is set to make $14.7, $20.5, $42, $52 and 42 million.


Obviously many of these out years will be restructured or the player will be cut.

But it's going to be hard to keep these players on the team this season (Aiyuk), after next season and after the following season.

Of course if the players aren't performing to high standards, they likely get cut.

But the inability to draft potential starters to replace many of these stars may shut this window quickly.

For instance, the Chiefs did a great job of reloading in the past few drafts, after they had to turn over their OL and a lot of their defense. They have several starters on rookie deals, though those are ending in the next season or two. But they had all this talk about bad WRs and their WRs aren't making much money yet they're in the AFC Championship game again and it wouldn't be surprising if they got to the SB and won it again.

That's despite Mahomes' HUGE contract. Chris Jones' contract is ending after this week or the SB but otherwise, they don't have contracts like the Hargrave, Bosa or Trent contracts looming over the next few seasons.

49ers are only in the final four because Purdy has vastly outperformed expectations so far so they can carry these big contracts for now. But if he plays well the next two seasons (but not necessarily play well enough to be a SB champion), 49ers lose all that salary flexibility and will have to pay him big money as well.

This upcoming game and next season will be their prime window years to win a Super Bowl which is why they better cash it in next Sunday because if they come away with 0 Super Bowls with the collection of talent and how close they've gotten in this span it'll go down as one of the bigger letdowns in league history. Obviously nothing is going to top the Bills losing 4 straight Super Bowls but this will be up there.

Purdy has this Super Bowl and next season before the team really has to decide what his value is. If plays at a high level and earns a big contract than it's a good problem to have and it's up to the team to be able to build the team through the draft and be careful on who the extend and bring in as FA.

Not really sure what approach this team will take though and they might run it as far as they can with the current crop of players on the roster and do a mini rebuild like the Rams and eat a couple of average seasons to turn over the roster before gearing up for another run or if they'll turn over the roster each year a little at a time to try and keep the window open.

[wco81]

49ers were unlucky, with the punt return fumble that set KC up right around the red zone. That swung the game.

However, if you dissect the play calling over the course of the game and game management in general, Kyle just can't get over the hump. Questions could be raised over play calls in big situations, the two third down plays in the red zone in the 4th quarter and OT, where KC blitzed all out and they just didn't have a good solution for it.

Also, you could question whether he should have taken the ball in OT rather than defer.

In the high leverage or clutch moments of this SB and the SB vs. the Ravens and SB against the Pats as the Falcons OC, Shanahan has come up short. Whether fairly or unfairly, he's now with Marv Levy and Bud Grant.

The player breakdowns could in general be blamed on squandered draft picks and player personnel decisions. The OL is going to grade out poorly in this game.

If not next season, the season after will be a reckoning for the salary cap. Several players will be making around $20 million or well over it in the 2025 season, with Purdy on the last year of his rookie deal.

Kyle's contract runs through the 2025 season. Lynch is signed through 2024.

[Jikkle]

49ers were unlucky, with the punt return fumble that set KC up right around the red zone. That swung the game.

However, if you dissect the play calling over the course of the game and game management in general, Kyle just can't get over the hump. Questions could be raised over play calls in big situations, the two third down plays in the red zone in the 4th quarter and OT, where KC blitzed all out and they just didn't have a good solution for it.

Also, you could question whether he should have taken the ball in OT rather than defer.

In the high leverage or clutch moments of this SB and the SB vs. the Ravens and SB against the Pats as the Falcons OC, Shanahan has come up short. Whether fairly or unfairly, he's now with Marv Levy and Bud Grant.

The player breakdowns could in general be blamed on squandered draft picks and player personnel decisions. The OL is going to grade out poorly in this game.

If not next season, the season after will be a reckoning for the salary cap. Several players will be making around $20 million or well over it in the 2025 season, with Purdy on the last year of his rookie deal.

Kyle's contract runs through the 2025 season. Lynch is signed through 2024.

I didn't take issue with taking the ball in OT first. Defense was just on the field to end regulation and you get a TD and Mahomes doesn't even get a chance to work his magic.

And while Kyle has some share of the blame for the loss there were a number of things that were outside his control like guys false starting, CMC fumbling, muff punt, blocked XP, etc

Where I will rip Kyle is the two issues that ultimately did cost us the game were special teams and the offensive line and the offensive line was what I said before the season started if we didn't win a championship and it came true.

[arich35]

49ers were unlucky, with the punt return fumble that set KC up right around the red zone. That swung the game.

However, if you dissect the play calling over the course of the game and game management in general, Kyle just can't get over the hump. Questions could be raised over play calls in big situations, the two third down plays in the red zone in the 4th quarter and OT, where KC blitzed all out and they just didn't have a good solution for it.

Also, you could question whether he should have taken the ball in OT rather than defer.

In the high leverage or clutch moments of this SB and the SB vs. the Ravens and SB against the Pats as the Falcons OC, Shanahan has come up short. Whether fairly or unfairly, he's now with Marv Levy and Bud Grant.

The player breakdowns could in general be blamed on squandered draft picks and player personnel decisions. The OL is going to grade out poorly in this game.

If not next season, the season after will be a reckoning for the salary cap. Several players will be making around $20 million or well over it in the 2025 season, with Purdy on the last year of his rookie deal.

Kyle's contract runs through the 2025 season. Lynch is signed through 2024.

I didn't take issue with taking the ball in OT first. Defense was just on the field to end regulation and you get a TD and Mahomes doesn't even get a chance to work his magic.

And while Kyle has some share of the blame for the loss there were a number of things that were outside his control like guys false starting, CMC fumbling, muff punt, blocked XP, etc

Where I will rip Kyle is the two issues that ultimately did cost us the game were special teams and the offensive line and the offensive line was what I said before the season started if we didn't win a championship and it came true.

It wasn't sudden death. Even if we scored a TD, Chiefs get the ball

[RIPskaterdude]

Who would have thought losing Feliciano would lose the game?

[49er4life1979]

Probably not the time to have extended discussion but the 49ers window is now and they will have to make big decisions after next season.

Shanahan is signed through the 2025 season. So for 2026, he'd have to get a new deal.

Purdy comes off his rookie contract after 2025 season.

Spotrac says a lot of key players contracts can be voided after the 2024 or 2025 seasons. For instance, CMC contract can be voided for 2026. Same with Deebo and Kittle.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/yearly/cap/

Armstead makes $28.353 in 2024 and then contract could be voided in 2025.

Warner and Greenlaw are scheduled to make $24.4 and $9.6 million in 2024 and have their contracts voided in 2025.

Ward makes $17.9 million in 2024 and can have his deal voided in 2025.

Trent is set to make $31.5, $34.1 and $37.8 in 2024, 2025 and 2026.

Hargrave is set to make $15.4, $26.5 and $28.3 million in the next 3 seasons.

Bosa is set to make $14.7, $20.5, $42, $52 and 42 million.


Obviously many of these out years will be restructured or the player will be cut.

But it's going to be hard to keep these players on the team this season (Aiyuk), after next season and after the following season.

Of course if the players aren't performing to high standards, they likely get cut.

But the inability to draft potential starters to replace many of these stars may shut this window quickly.

For instance, the Chiefs did a great job of reloading in the past few drafts, after they had to turn over their OL and a lot of their defense. They have several starters on rookie deals, though those are ending in the next season or two. But they had all this talk about bad WRs and their WRs aren't making much money yet they're in the AFC Championship game again and it wouldn't be surprising if they got to the SB and won it again.

That's despite Mahomes' HUGE contract. Chris Jones' contract is ending after this week or the SB but otherwise, they don't have contracts like the Hargrave, Bosa or Trent contracts looming over the next few seasons.

49ers are only in the final four because Purdy has vastly outperformed expectations so far so they can carry these big contracts for now. But if he plays well the next two seasons (but not necessarily play well enough to be a SB champion), 49ers lose all that salary flexibility and will have to pay him big money as well.

This upcoming game and next season will be their prime window years to win a Super Bowl which is why they better cash it in next Sunday because if they come away with 0 Super Bowls with the collection of talent and how close they've gotten in this span it'll go down as one of the bigger letdowns in league history. Obviously nothing is going to top the Bills losing 4 straight Super Bowls but this will be up there.

Purdy has this Super Bowl and next season before the team really has to decide what his value is. If plays at a high level and earns a big contract than it's a good problem to have and it's up to the team to be able to build the team through the draft and be careful on who the extend and bring in as FA.

Not really sure what approach this team will take though and they might run it as far as they can with the current crop of players on the roster and do a mini rebuild like the Rams and eat a couple of average seasons to turn over the roster before gearing up for another run or if they'll turn over the roster each year a little at a time to try and keep the window open.

Shanahan is actually signed through 2027 after the last extension he signed in Sept. And Lynch through 2026.

[wco81]

They need to hire someone else to evaluate and run their drafts.

They can't keep pissing away top 100 picks.

Unlikely though, as York probably isn't going to get into a fight to wrest control over that aspect.

[49er4life1979]

They need to hire someone else to evaluate and run their drafts.

They can't keep pissing away top 100 picks.

Unlikely though, as York probably isn't going to get into a fight to wrest control over that aspect.

Fred Warner, Nick Bosa, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, Aaron Banks, Drake Jackson, and Ji'Ayir Brown are the current top 100 picks still on the team. Still hoping to get something at least decent out of Jackson... Of course they bombed out with the 2017 draft top 100, in 2020 Kinlaw who was supposed to replace Buckner didnt even come close. And of course in 2021 there was the Trey Lance fiasco. So yes this year's draft is very crucial for the next core group of young players. I am not worried about mid to late round picks as they seem to connect with those - but they need to hit it out of the park in rounds 1-3.

[thesack12]

They need to hire someone else to evaluate and run their drafts.

They can't keep pissing away top 100 picks.

Unlikely though, as York probably isn't going to get into a fight to wrest control over that aspect.

Perhaps with Peters now out of the building the draft strategies/performance might change a bit? I really don't know how much influence he had, but there will now be a new voice in one of the highest levels of the organization.

Then again maybe Peters' biggest input came in the middle to late rounds. So him being gone could hurt there, I don't know.

Either way, I completely agree they have to start hitting on the high picks. They need to keep the cupboards stocked with solid talent.

[wco81]

The play calling failures were all game long, not just on the crucial third down plays at end of regulation and in OT.

https://youtu.be/6pKq8KgBcQc?si=sNgrIM8zFuFo2ZKM

Shanahan got schooled by Spags and it wasn’t even close.

[wco81]

History is not with Shanahan and the 49ers. If Steve Young had a monkey on his back, must be a gorilla on Shanahan's back.

Kyle Shanahan is 0-3 in Super Bowls, a record no coach has overcome to win a ring

Kyle Shanahan lost his first Super Bowl appearance as the Falcons' offensive coordinator after the 2016 season. And he has now lost two Super Bowls as the 49ers' head coach. And that 0-3 start in Super Bowls is something no head coach or coordinator before him has overcome to win a Super Bowl.

Read in NBC Sports: https://apple.news/AhXDFcOdFQjSQohpYWPsuFA

[CrimsonCrew]

It's a fairly remarkable stat. I'm pretty shocked there isn't a single guy out there who lost one or two as a coordinator, lost one or two as a coach, and then broke through. Though Belichick and Reid account for 9 of the last 23 (40%) wins, and Reid was never a coordinator apparently.

[wco81]

Wasn’t he an assistant with Packers?

Not sure if he was there when they reached the SB but presumably the team did well when he was there leading to his first HC job.

[CrimsonCrew]

Wasn’t he an assistant with Packers?

Not sure if he was there when they reached the SB but presumably the team did well when he was there leading to his first HC job.

QBs and assistant HC according to Wikipedia. Not sure if that's accurate, or if it counts for this.

[Pattersonca65]

History is not with Shanahan and the 49ers. If Steve Young had a monkey on his back, must be a gorilla on Shanahan's back.

Kyle Shanahan is 0-3 in Super Bowls, a record no coach has overcome to win a ring

Kyle Shanahan lost his first Super Bowl appearance as the Falcons' offensive coordinator after the 2016 season. And he has now lost two Super Bowls as the 49ers' head coach. And that 0-3 start in Super Bowls is something no head coach or coordinator before him has overcome to win a Super Bowl.

Read in NBC Sports: https://apple.news/AhXDFcOdFQjSQohpYWPsuFA

BS to include a Super Bowl loss as a coordinator on his record. There is so much out of his control as a OC.

[Jikkle]

I know Shanahan won't do it but this defensive scheme should be completely scrapped this offseason.

The current defensive scheme has just about hit its expiration date and they need to replace it with something more creative and more aggressive.

It just seems more and more apparent to me that offenses have got it figured out and it's not really fooling anyone. I mean Darnold didn't seem like he was struggling to figure out what he was seeing and it seems like other QBs and offensive coordinators have 0 issues finding the holes in it to get completetions they need for 1st downs.

The defense depends on people playing at a high level to thrive but I don't see why we can't have a defense where the players play at a high level but also confuse the QB.

[wco81]

This game showed why Shanahan doesn't have a ring.

I think he's winless against Reid and the Chiefs?

Curious how he did when he was OC with the Washington Football Team.

Or how he's done against Spagnolo defenses, when Spagnolog was DC with the Giants and the Eagles.

Obviously no luck vs. the Spags running the Chiefs defense.

But it's not just Xs and Os.

All those missed high draft picks since Lynch and Shanahan came in, while the Chiefs have just yielded tons of quality starters throughout the draft, that after Mahomes got his record contract, they can field top rosters.

49ers have made up for it with some big trades, like acquiring Trent Williams and CMC. But Chiefs are getting contributions from rookies, almost every year.

[Jikkle]

Not saying it's the correct move but I find it highly unlikely York will fire Shanahan after this season barring an incredible meltdown.

In the likely event he does return I do believe we need some fresh blood in the coaching ranks for every phase.

This Chiefs game to me highlights just how old and stale the team is getting.

Defense has been figured out long ago and needs a new scheme.

Special Teams are bad all around and we never see any sort of creativity in any aspect of it.

Offense to me it's looking more and more like defenses have gotten the blueprint in how to maybe not stop it but severely cripple it.

So giving me a new defensive scheme, new younger Special Team coaches, and Shanahan needs to bring in a guy that can be a passing game guru for him and not a yes man that helps Shanahan prepare the gameplan.

Shanahan's offense has almost 0 counterpunches to defenses that man up on the passing game. This offense needs to up its game when it comes to beating man coverage because so far, the plan is Purdy scrambling around until someone finally breaks open after 10+ seconds.

Also we just have general execution problems that go beyond the scheme. Bad penalties and bad fundamentals are hurting this team as well.

[wco81]

This roster peaked in November/December 2022.

It's been downhill from there and will go down further next season due to big money tied to aging, declining players.

Problem isn't injuries, it's lack of depth so that when all those players on huge contracts go down, there's a steep drop-off.

That's years of poor drafting and roster construction. That **** Lance trade didn't help either.

You can live in denial but this team is closer to a rebuild than contention.

Does Shanahan deserve to get more shots at the draft? Have some of the players quit on him already? Can he still attract top assistants? The good ones have gotten HC jobs already. He's been picking from among scraps with people like Sorenson.

If the 49ers want more years of futility, if they want more seasons of flawed roster construction and outdated schemes, they should keep giving him the final say on personnel.

Hell sign him to another extension, they can sign him for 10 more years and he still won't lead the team to a sixth title for the franchise.