ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece?

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ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#1 » by Skybox » Mon Dec 2, 2024 4:24 pm

Cole Anthony + Jett Howard + Denver 25 fr Pick (top 5 protected) + ORL 25 frp (top 8)
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Sexton

*an ORL posted a similar one without the ORL pick...I don't think Ainge would take on Cole's salary next year without the second frp, given that both picks would likely be mid to late firsts.

Why ORL: Sexton brings buckets with the second unit. He's never been much of a PG, but his primary role would be scoring and threatening to score enough to bring more scoring out of whoever he's running with. He wouldn't start, most likely, but would have lots of minutes and opportunity to ravage opposing teams after KCP & Suggs have roughed them up from the opening bell. His primary backcourt mate would likely be Anthony Black, so he'd be getting lots of off-ball time...ultimately, I'd see ORL staggering the guard lineups quite a bit for Sexton to play with KCP, Suggs, and even Franz often. He's good enough to be a starter but ORL's focus on length and defense, along with so much scoring coming from their starting frontcourt make him a much better fit leading the second unit.

Why UTA: Picks and Jett
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#2 » by CalOrl11 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 4:29 pm

I like Sexton but I think that is too much for the Magic. Wouldn't be keen on giving up two firsts for him.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#3 » by mg » Mon Dec 2, 2024 5:06 pm

He would be a good fit but I would remove one of those picks. One protected pick + sweetener(youngish player?) to take on Anthony's contract seems pretty fair.

Watching Hardy call that timeout last night as Sexton was scoring the winning layup had to be the final straw. If they are so set on capturing the Flagg it's now time to trade the competitive guys who want to win. Collins is another who falls into this category but unfortunately his contract might be too difficult to move by the deadline.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#4 » by tiderulz » Mon Dec 2, 2024 5:09 pm

CalOrl11 wrote:I like Sexton but I think that is too much for the Magic. Wouldn't be keen on giving up two firsts for him.

agree. he is only under contract until next year.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#5 » by eminence » Mon Dec 2, 2024 5:11 pm

Could we drop Howard instead of the pick?

But the value seems fine for Utah even with the pick dropped (maybe ask for a better of the two or something condition).
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#6 » by Skybox » Mon Dec 2, 2024 5:35 pm

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CalOrl11 wrote:I like Sexton but I think that is too much for the Magic. Wouldn't be keen on giving up two firsts for him.

agree. he is only under contract until next year.


Yeah...I went back and forth on the second pick or Jett or a couple of srps...but, as much as I think Cole is a viable player and a fantastic teammate, I assume UTA isn't real excited about taking on his guaranteed money next year...it's not a lot or for very long, but it's something that Ainge would, I assume, rather not have for his rebuild. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cole put up Sexton numbers in UTA. He's definitely a candidate for a fresh start on a team that can give him reps.

I'd be happy to keep Jett and still send out both frps.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#7 » by JMAC3 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 5:53 pm

You know Ainge is asking for Anthony Black and a 1st for Sexton. Especially since Sexton is under contract next year he isn't selling him for anything under 125% of his value.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#8 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:03 pm

Sexton isn’t worth this and not sure how he fits in a playoff setting which should be Orlando’s main priority/concern.

Cameron Johnson could probably be had for this same package and fits a lot better and/or Bogi for a little less.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#9 » by mg » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:23 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Sexton isn’t worth this and not sure how he fits in a playoff setting which should be Orlando’s main priority/concern.

Cameron Johnson could probably be had for this same package and fits a lot better and/or Bogi for a little less.


It's a buyer's market with all the tanking teams already making their rosters available. Maybe in a vacuum Cam is the better player but it really depends on a team's needs. Looking at the Magic I would say Sexton is the better fit as they could really use a dynamic guard.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#10 » by tiderulz » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:24 pm

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CalOrl11 wrote:I like Sexton but I think that is too much for the Magic. Wouldn't be keen on giving up two firsts for him.

agree. he is only under contract until next year.


Yeah...I went back and forth on the second pick or Jett or a couple of srps...but, as much as I think Cole is a viable player and a fantastic teammate, I assume UTA isn't real excited about taking on his guaranteed money next year...it's not a lot or for very long, but it's something that Ainge would, I assume, rather not have for his rebuild. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cole put up Sexton numbers in UTA. He's definitely a candidate for a fresh start on a team that can give him reps.

I'd be happy to keep Jett and still send out both frps.

keeping Jett causes problems. thats 5 guards that need time (Suggs, KCP, Black, Sexton and Jett). not enough ball to go around.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#11 » by tiderulz » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:25 pm

JMAC3 wrote:You know Ainge is asking for Anthony Black and a 1st for Sexton. Especially since Sexton is under contract next year he isn't selling him for anything under 125% of his value.

what Ainge asks for and what he gets could be 2 very different things.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#12 » by tiderulz » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:27 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Sexton isn’t worth this and not sure how he fits in a playoff setting which should be Orlando’s main priority/concern.

Cameron Johnson could probably be had for this same package and fits a lot better and/or Bogi for a little less.

does he? he isnt playing over Franz and PAolo. So thats a $20mil+ player off the bench.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#13 » by JMAC3 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:29 pm

tiderulz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:You know Ainge is asking for Anthony Black and a 1st for Sexton. Especially since Sexton is under contract next year he isn't selling him for anything under 125% of his value.

what Ainge asks for and what he gets could be 2 very different things.


I agree but he has a history of just pulling guys off the market when he doesn't get his asking price. How many times have we seen him settle for less?

I just don't think either of these picks have a ton of value. Not that it isn't enough for Sexton because I actually think it is a good deal for Utah, but idk if getting two picks in the 20s in this draft does a lot for Ainge/Utah. I think they would value picks further out that they can use in a big trade rather than go role player hunting in the 20s, because chances are Denver and Orlando are both playoff locks with the way the season is shaping up.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#14 » by Skybox » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:32 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Sexton isn’t worth this and not sure how he fits in a playoff setting which should be Orlando’s main priority/concern.

Cameron Johnson could probably be had for this same package and fits a lot better and/or Bogi for a little less.


How is Cam better? He does one thing really well and his size and physical profile makes him a depth piece getting $22m. He doesn't defend or playmake. Sexton is short...otherwise a much better fit. Both are statistically benefitting from playing on a bad team, but Cam's producton is much more inflated over his career than Sexton's.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#15 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:14 pm

mg wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Sexton isn’t worth this and not sure how he fits in a playoff setting which should be Orlando’s main priority/concern.

Cameron Johnson could probably be had for this same package and fits a lot better and/or Bogi for a little less.


It's a buyer's market with all the tanking teams already making their rosters available. Maybe in a vacuum Cam is the better player but it really depends on a team's needs. Looking at the Magic I would say Sexton is the better fit as they could really use a dynamic guard.


Sexton is quite literally one of if not the worst defensive guard in the league. This is not an exaggeration either and comparatively the last time I checked Cole was better on that front which is saying a lot.

Yes, Orlando’s defense is great and should be able to cover some of Sextons limitations on that end. However, if Cole is receiving DNP’s due to his defensive deficiencies I’m not sure what we’re realistically expecting from Sexton.

And back to my original point regarding playoffs where Sexton will be hunted and become unplayable/liability.

We have enough data to definitively say that Sexton will never be a neutral defender and anyone that thinks different is fooling themselves.

Orlando’s defense works because everyone buys in and plays their part. Whoever is unable doesn’t play as we’re currently seeing with Cole.

Orlando indeed needs a dynamic guard, but not to the expense of their identity.

I see Orlando showing interest in Schroder/Brogdon way before someone like Sexton.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#16 » by Slim Charless » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:25 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:You know Ainge is asking for Anthony Black and a 1st for Sexton. Especially since Sexton is under contract next year he isn't selling him for anything under 125% of his value.

what Ainge asks for and what he gets could be 2 very different things.


I agree but he has a history of just pulling guys off the market when he doesn't get his asking price. How many times have we seen him settle for less?

I just don't think either of these picks have a ton of value. Not that it isn't enough for Sexton because I actually think it is a good deal for Utah, but idk if getting two picks in the 20s in this draft does a lot for Ainge/Utah. I think they would value picks further out that they can use in a big trade rather than go role player hunting in the 20s, because chances are Denver and Orlando are both playoff locks with the way the season is shaping up.


Ainge isn't getting many robberies since the Gobert deal. Me thinks GMs are wise to him again. They basically stopped dealing with his nonsense those last cpl Boston yrs. I doubt he'll get something crazy.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#17 » by OrlandoDream » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:34 pm

My love for Collin Sexton dropped sign when I saw advanced stats who he is as good defender as cole anthony. A FRP for Sexton is lunacy.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#18 » by JMAC3 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:39 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:what Ainge asks for and what he gets could be 2 very different things.


I agree but he has a history of just pulling guys off the market when he doesn't get his asking price. How many times have we seen him settle for less?

I just don't think either of these picks have a ton of value. Not that it isn't enough for Sexton because I actually think it is a good deal for Utah, but idk if getting two picks in the 20s in this draft does a lot for Ainge/Utah. I think they would value picks further out that they can use in a big trade rather than go role player hunting in the 20s, because chances are Denver and Orlando are both playoff locks with the way the season is shaping up.


Ainge isn't getting many robberies since the Gobert deal. Me thinks GMs are wise to him again. They basically stopped dealing with his nonsense those last cpl Boston yrs. I doubt he'll get something crazy.


What deal hasn't ainge won?

He traded Fontecchio for 32nd pick Kyle Filipowski-- Nobody is giving Detroit a higher pick than 32 if they move him this year.
He traded Olynck and Agbaji for 1st that turned into Collier--- Is any team this year giving a first for either Olynck or Agbaji?
He traded a 2nd rounder for John Collins--- who will probably be flipped for more.

Cashed in big time in both Dmitch and Gobert trades.
Traded Royce Oneal for 1st--- nets later traded him for 3 2nds, so less than what Ainge got.

My guess is Ainge gets more for Lauri, Sexton, Clarkson and Kessler than most fans expect. He has already set the market price very high on Lauri and Kessler and hasn't panic sold.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#19 » by wemby » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:41 pm

Crazy overpay. Jett Howard + a lottery protected first is already more than enough I think, undersized shooting guards are dime a dozen.
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Re: ORL / UTA is Sexton the missing piece? 

Post#20 » by babyjax13 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:48 pm

I think this is too much. Anthony + value for taking his contract + the DEN 1st. We don't need more guards, so Howard is wasted on us, but 2 seconds for taking Anthony seems fine.

Anthony + DEN 1st + 2 2nds for Sexton
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