49ers to give Kyle Shanahan new 6-year contract

[thesack12]

This roster peaked in November/December 2022.

It's been downhill from there and will go down further next season due to big money tied to aging, declining players.

Problem isn't injuries, it's lack of depth so that when all those players on huge contracts go down, there's a steep drop-off.

That's years of poor drafting and roster construction. That **** Lance trade didn't help either.

You can live in denial but this team is closer to a rebuild than contention.

Does Shanahan deserve to get more shots at the draft? Have some of the players quit on him already? Can he still attract top assistants? The good ones have gotten HC jobs already. He's been picking from among scraps with people like Sorenson.

If the 49ers want more years of futility, if they want more seasons of flawed roster construction and outdated schemes, they should keep giving him the final say on personnel.

Hell sign him to another extension, they can sign him for 10 more years and he still won't lead the team to a sixth title for the franchise.

Didnt even get past the first 2 lines. Your bias against Kyle is apparently making you delusional.

All downhill since December 2022?

You mean other than going to the NFCCG in 2023 and seeing the QB go down early in the game, then the backup not too long after, and having to spend the entire 2nd half of the game without a QB even capable of attempting a forward pass.

You also must mean, other than getting the #1 seed in the 2023 season and losing the Super Bowl in overtime.

But yeah, they peaked in 2022 and its been total decline since then.

What a joke.

[wco81]

Sorry I got the date wrong, November/December 2023.

They were better at the middle of last season. They barely won the 2 playoff games to get to the SB and we know what happened there.

Yeah they've peaked.

You can wallow in denial.

Bosa, CMC, Kiittle, Trent Williams, etc. are not going to get any better. If anything they're going to be more frequently injured until their expensive contracts run out.

[thesack12]

Sorry I got the date wrong, November/December 2023.

They were better at the middle of last season. They barely won the 2 playoff games to get to the SB and we know what happened there.

Yeah they've peaked.

You can wallow in denial.

Bosa, CMC, Kiittle, Trent Williams, etc. are not going to get any better. If anything they're going to be more frequently injured until their expensive contracts run out.

Ahh, backing the truck up and moving the goal posts. Well played, sir.

I'm not in denial at all, I just choose to evaluate fairly. Even if you want to claim this team's window is closed, Kyle has already shown he can build a contender from scratch.

The burden is on you anyways. You are calling for Kyle's head, yet aren't coming up with any better alternatives.

BTW, the standard you would be setting is the highest possible one. Kyle has gotten his teams to the championship threshold twice. Which means nothing short of a Lombardi would be acceptable for anybody new.

Oh and the new guy has to do deliver that championship within first 3 seasons, because Kyle set the standard of taking a 2-14 team to the Super Bowl in year 3. BTW, whomever your new guy is would be inheriting an immensely better roster than what Kyle did.

[wco81]

I got the dates wrong. If you want to characterize that as moving the goal posts, you're pretty dishonest.


Why would you let him rebuild? This is his 8th season.

Wow you must have loved Marv Levy, coaches whose ceilings are below championships.

Or Jerry Jones, who will not admit that he should bring in experienced personnel people to build their roster after over 2 decades of futility.

[thesack12]

I got the dates wrong. If you want to characterize that as moving the goal posts, you're pretty dishonest.


Why would you let him rebuild? This is his 8th season.

Wow you must have loved Marv Levy, coaches whose ceilings are below championships.

Or Jerry Jones, who will not admit that he should bring in experienced personnel people to build their roster after over 2 decades of futility.

Just going by what you wrote, chief. If you want to consider me doing that a character flaw, that's on you.

Pretty simple reason, why I would let Kyle rebuild. Because he already built a contender from scratch. Even doing so without the luxury of having a high end Quarterback.

In other words, he's proven he can do exactly what you are claiming he can't do.

[wco81]

Great you Shanahan apologists and Jerry Jones apologists can commiserate in a support group.

[thesack12]

Great you Shanahan apologists and Jerry Jones apologists can commiserate in a support group.

I'll take this to mean you have nothing compelling left to bring to the conversation.

[wco81]

Oh is this a conversation?

I would love for Kyle to prove me wrong.

But my thesis is that 49ers will not win another title until they've moved on from him.

Unfortunately I've been right about former 49ers coaches like Nolan and Singletary, years before they were finally fired.

[thesack12]

Oh is this a conversation?

I would love for Kyle to prove me wrong.

But my thesis is that 49ers will not win another title until they've moved on from him.

Unfortunately I've been right about former 49ers coaches like Nolan and Singletary, years before they were finally fired.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure two people quoting each other and making multiple posts about the same subject, qualifies as a conversation. At least for message board standards.

Your opinion on Kyle is well documented on here. While this season has crashed and burned and Kyle has a lot of work to do, I don't agree that he should be fired at this point. Nothing wrong with disagreeing about it.

But, bringing up being right about Nolan and Singletary doesn't carry much weight. Both those guys didn't bring much of anything to the table, and were never even slightly successful.

[wco81]

I used to be on a different forum and it was ridiculous, some fans were raving about how Nolan dressed well on game days.

After choosing Alex Smith, there was no reason to keep him on.

With Singletary, people were all into how he inspired players, got some like Vernon Davis to improve his attitude but from the beginning, he had such limited coaching experience that I knew he wouldn't attract a good staff, which was also Tomsula's problem, as they tried to get some of Harbaugh's staff like Fangio to work under Tomsula and that was never going to happen.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Shanahan can't get top coaches to be coordinator any longer, after Ryans came here and then got the HC job in Houston.

[thesack12]

I used to be on a different forum and it was ridiculous, some fans were raving about how Nolan dressed well on game days.

After choosing Alex Smith, there was no reason to keep him on.

With Singletary, people were all into how he inspired players, got some like Vernon Davis to improve his attitude but from the beginning, he had such limited coaching experience that I knew he wouldn't attract a good staff, which was also Tomsula's problem, as they tried to get some of Harbaugh's staff like Fangio to work under Tomsula and that was never going to happen.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Shanahan can't get top coaches to be coordinator any longer, after Ryans came here and then got the HC job in Houston.

LMAO, because wearing a suit on the side lines is surely an indicator that Nolan is a quality coach. If anything it made him look ridculous, and arrogant. Personally, I didn't like him just because of them damn suits. Of course the fact that he was a terrible HC only solidified that opinion on him.

I did like that Singletary was a good leader of men, and I bought into that a bit early on. But it didn't take long for it to show that he was completely in over his head as a HC.

Absolutely HATED the Tomsula hire. Dude was not only a snake in the grass, but he never had coaching experience at even the coordinator level anywhere in North America. I knew the team was doomed after the "it takes a village" introductory press conference. He had no business being a HC, ever.

Kyle has a solid track record of developing coordinators. All of Saleh, Ryans, and McDaniel were home grown. SF has also groomed 3 different front office assistants that went on to get GM jobs (Mayhew, Carthon, Peters.) So its clear that the NFL values what Kyle and John are doing in SF. That said, its probably time to dive into the outside coordinator pool. They need some new perspective on both sides of the ball.

[Pattersonca65]

I used to be on a different forum and it was ridiculous, some fans were raving about how Nolan dressed well on game days.

After choosing Alex Smith, there was no reason to keep him on.

With Singletary, people were all into how he inspired players, got some like Vernon Davis to improve his attitude but from the beginning, he had such limited coaching experience that I knew he wouldn't attract a good staff, which was also Tomsula's problem, as they tried to get some of Harbaugh's staff like Fangio to work under Tomsula and that was never going to happen.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Shanahan can't get top coaches to be coordinator any longer, after Ryans came here and then got the HC job in Houston.

LMAO, because wearing a suit on the side lines is surely an indicator that Nolan is a quality coach. If anything it made him look ridculous, and arrogant. Personally, I didn't like him just because of them damn suits. Of course the fact that he was a terrible HC only solidified that opinion on him.

I did like that Singletary was a good leader of men, and I bought into that a bit early on. But it didn't take long for it to show that he was completely in over his head as a HC.

Absolutely HATED the Tomsula hire. Dude was not only a snake in the grass, but he never had coaching experience at even the coordinator level anywhere in North America. I knew the team was doomed after the "it takes a village" introductory press conference. He had no business being a HC, ever.

Kyle has a solid track record of developing coordinators. All of Saleh, Ryans, and McDaniel were home grown. SF has also groomed 3 different front office assistants that went on to get GM jobs (Mayhew, Carthon, Peters.) So its clear that the NFL values what Kyle and John are doing in SF. That said, its probably time to dive into the outside coordinator pool. They need some new perspective on both sides of the ball.

Lol. Nolan was a bad DC also. The only reason he was successful in Baltimore was the defensive talent was so good even Nolan couldnt screw that up

[wco81]

Probably external chatter more than anything.

In the days leading up to the Niners' 38-13 destruction of the Chicago Bears on Sunday afternoon, internet chatter about Shanahan's future in San Francisco began to spread. One of the wildest ideas put forth was that Shanahan should be traded to the Bears in the offseason to restock the Niners' lot of draft picks and give the Bears a long-term answer at head coach after firing Matt Eberflus.

When asked about it Sunday afternoon, Shanahan made it clear he wants to be in San Francisco for the foreseeable future.

"I don't want to be any place in the world more than here," Shanahan said. "My family feels just as strong if not a lot stronger. I hope you guys are going to have to kick me out of here."

On Friday afternoon, Niners general manager John Lynch expressed a similar sentiment on KNBR radio in San Francisco, calling the discussion "rather comical" and rattling off the Niners' recent stretch of winning, albeit without a Lombardi Trophy.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42864568/coach-kyle-shanahan-makes-clear-wants-49ers

Lynch isn’t Shanahan’s boss, it’s the other way around so getting a comment from him is pointless.

How about getting someone else with the final say in personnel?

[CrimsonCrew]

I'm not in the fire Kyle camp, but I do think we need to see some pretty significant changes this offseason. This team has gone away from a lot of what made it great previously. Seems like we started to get back to some of it, though largely due to injuries.

We need more young players getting in there. Brendel should not be playing. Bartch looks better than Banks (at least when Banks is playing hurt, which he always seems to be). Sam O. and Evan Anderson have been playing well on the DL. It's nice to see Winters on the field more, though I suspect that mostly has to do with opponent personnel.

Obviously we need changes at DC and STs. I'm confident we'll see the former. Not as confident about the latter, which would be indefensible. But STs hasn't literally cost us a game recently, so I'm worried we stick with Schneider again.

[Pattersonca65]

Probably external chatter more than anything.

In the days leading up to the Niners' 38-13 destruction of the Chicago Bears on Sunday afternoon, internet chatter about Shanahan's future in San Francisco began to spread. One of the wildest ideas put forth was that Shanahan should be traded to the Bears in the offseason to restock the Niners' lot of draft picks and give the Bears a long-term answer at head coach after firing Matt Eberflus.

When asked about it Sunday afternoon, Shanahan made it clear he wants to be in San Francisco for the foreseeable future.

"I don't want to be any place in the world more than here," Shanahan said. "My family feels just as strong if not a lot stronger. I hope you guys are going to have to kick me out of here."

On Friday afternoon, Niners general manager John Lynch expressed a similar sentiment on KNBR radio in San Francisco, calling the discussion "rather comical" and rattling off the Niners' recent stretch of winning, albeit without a Lombardi Trophy.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42864568/coach-kyle-shanahan-makes-clear-wants-49ers

Lynch isn’t Shanahan’s boss, it’s the other way around so getting a comment from him is pointless.

How about getting someone else with the final say in personnel?

I doubt that happens. The Yorks have never really brought in that kind of person above the GM. After the Baalke fiasco York didn't want a strong GM type. One year removed from a super bowl appearance Shanahan isn't going anywhere. If this team is bad another season than things could change and whenever York decides to replace Shanahan it would not surprise me if John Lynch went also.

[49er4life1979]

Sorry I got the date wrong, November/December 2023.

They were better at the middle of last season. They barely won the 2 playoff games to get to the SB and we know what happened there.

Yeah they've peaked.

You can wallow in denial.

Bosa, CMC, Kiittle, Trent Williams, etc. are not going to get any better. If anything they're going to be more frequently injured until their expensive contracts run out.

Bosa is only 27. He really hasnt had an issues with injuries (except 2020 torn ACL) - and this year. As for Kittle, he is having a monster season at 31. Still the best TE in the game. If Kelce can produce at 35, Kittle damn sure can because he's way better. Kittle has one year left on his deal but i can see them extending his deal by a couple years to lower his cap. As for Williams, need to draft an OT of the future in this upcoming draft. CMC I think will be ok for next year, but definitely has a lot of mileage. They need to balance his workload. As for Kyle, who do have in mind that would be an upgrade? Because thats the ONLY situation you change coaches.

[49er4life1979]

Probably external chatter more than anything.

In the days leading up to the Niners' 38-13 destruction of the Chicago Bears on Sunday afternoon, internet chatter about Shanahan's future in San Francisco began to spread. One of the wildest ideas put forth was that Shanahan should be traded to the Bears in the offseason to restock the Niners' lot of draft picks and give the Bears a long-term answer at head coach after firing Matt Eberflus.

When asked about it Sunday afternoon, Shanahan made it clear he wants to be in San Francisco for the foreseeable future.

"I don't want to be any place in the world more than here," Shanahan said. "My family feels just as strong if not a lot stronger. I hope you guys are going to have to kick me out of here."

On Friday afternoon, Niners general manager John Lynch expressed a similar sentiment on KNBR radio in San Francisco, calling the discussion "rather comical" and rattling off the Niners' recent stretch of winning, albeit without a Lombardi Trophy.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42864568/coach-kyle-shanahan-makes-clear-wants-49ers

Lynch isn’t Shanahan’s boss, it’s the other way around so getting a comment from him is pointless.

How about getting someone else with the final say in personnel?

I doubt that happens. The Yorks have never really brought in that kind of person above the GM. After the Baalke fiasco York didn't want a strong GM type. One year removed from a super bowl appearance Shanahan isn't going anywhere. If this team is bad another season than things could change and whenever York decides to replace Shanahan it would not surprise me if John Lynch went also.

When the two got their extensions last year, Lynch also received a new title of President of Football Operations. It was added to his GM title. Cant go higher than that. From from what I researched, Lynch has final say on free agency and draft. Shanahan has final say on 53 man roster.

[wco81]

Sorry I got the date wrong, November/December 2023.

They were better at the middle of last season. They barely won the 2 playoff games to get to the SB and we know what happened there.

Yeah they've peaked.

You can wallow in denial.

Bosa, CMC, Kiittle, Trent Williams, etc. are not going to get any better. If anything they're going to be more frequently injured until their expensive contracts run out.

Bosa is only 27. He really hasnt had an issues with injuries (except 2020 torn ACL) - and this year. As for Kittle, he is having a monster season at 31. Still the best TE in the game. If Kelce can produce at 35, Kittle damn sure can because he's way better. Kittle has one year left on his deal but i can see them extending his deal by a couple years to lower his cap. As for Williams, need to draft an OT of the future in this upcoming draft. CMC I think will be ok for next year, but definitely has a lot of mileage. They need to balance his workload. As for Kyle, who do have in mind that would be an upgrade? Because thats the ONLY situation you change coaches.

It's not a question of upgrade. The next braintrust may not even be as good as the current one.

My argument is that the current one has reached their ceiling already and is likely on the way down.

So it's pretty certain that you're not going to win with them and letting them rebuild the team for another 4-5 years will also prove futile.

Take a chance on someone younger and hungrier.

Yeah I do believe the team is at a point where there's nothing to lose in shaking it up.

[CrimsonCrew]

Sorry I got the date wrong, November/December 2023.

They were better at the middle of last season. They barely won the 2 playoff games to get to the SB and we know what happened there.

Yeah they've peaked.

You can wallow in denial.

Bosa, CMC, Kiittle, Trent Williams, etc. are not going to get any better. If anything they're going to be more frequently injured until their expensive contracts run out.

Bosa is only 27. He really hasnt had an issues with injuries (except 2020 torn ACL) - and this year. As for Kittle, he is having a monster season at 31. Still the best TE in the game. If Kelce can produce at 35, Kittle damn sure can because he's way better. Kittle has one year left on his deal but i can see them extending his deal by a couple years to lower his cap. As for Williams, need to draft an OT of the future in this upcoming draft. CMC I think will be ok for next year, but definitely has a lot of mileage. They need to balance his workload. As for Kyle, who do have in mind that would be an upgrade? Because thats the ONLY situation you change coaches.

It's not a question of upgrade. The next braintrust may not even be as good as the current one.

My argument is that the current one has reached their ceiling already and is likely on the way down.

So it's pretty certain that you're not going to win with them and letting them rebuild the team for another 4-5 years will also prove futile.

Take a chance on someone younger and hungrier.

Yeah I do believe the team is at a point where there's nothing to lose in shaking it up.

That seems pretty knee-jerk. I don't see any reason to believe that Kyle has peaked. On the contrary, hopefully some of the setbacks this year supply a bit of a wakeup call. But we're also seeing the effects of losing so many DCs. The offense hasn't won games the way it's capable of doing, but it also hasn't typically been the primary reason that we're losing. That has been due to a defense that just hasn't stopped teams in key moments all season (with some STs disasters sprinkled in).

I also don't see why Kyle wouldn't be about as hungry as they come. He needs a title to cement a legacy as one of the great offensive minds. He's got to be about as hungry as they come.

Now, there are definitely some concerns with personnel decisions. The last draft was strong, but the 2023 draft was a disaster as only Dee Winters looks like a potential starting-caliber player (we'll see if Brown can rebound, but this year has been awful). Take away Purdy, and 2022 doesn't look much better with three outright busts to start. Honestly, between 2019 and this past year, it's been almost all bad. If they don't fix that, then Shanahan probably won't last.

Similarly, he's just got to make some major changes on his staff. If Wilks was gone after a year, Sorenson shouldn't have even made it to this point. Same with Schneider. Both guys need to go this offseason.

But just as I think it was silly to say Purdy had peaked last year (even though it was an incredible year that he may never match statistically), it seems very premature to say that Shanahan has peaked. But this team has to find a way to do it with more of a strength in numbers approach vs. having blue chips at almost every spot.

[wco81]

Sure the 49ers could get a generational talent like Mahomes.

That obviously gave Andy Reid second wind on his long career.

Actually the Chiefs have drafted well, so that in many games, Mahomes isn't the main reason or the only reason they win.

But remember, Reid had to "fail" in Philadelphia first before his coaching career had a renaissance in KC.

Hope it happens but my honest assessment is that it won't.