Citing the PJ trade just leads credence to idea of combining value to get a better asset. Dumping Williams not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. PJ not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. But see both happened.
So yeah trading a bunch of low, level assets and taking back bad money to get one good asset? Seems like the sort of deal that a non-contending team should be really interested in, not mocking as beneath them somehow....
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Texas Chuck wrote:Citing the PJ trade just leads credence to idea of combining value to get a better asset. Dumping Williams not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. PJ not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. But see both happened.
So yeah trading a bunch of low, level assets and taking back bad money to get one good asset? Seems like the sort of deal that a non-contending team should be really interested in, not mocking as beneath them somehow....
Are you moving PJ for 2 2nds then? since you are doubling down here isn't worth a first alone?
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JMAC3 wrote:BelgradeNugget wrote:JMAC3 wrote:
Micic is valuable to someone like Denver because the optionality. It is a team option for next year so if Denver can find another trade to toss him in over the summer they can pick his option and move him in a bigger deal... if no deal comes about they decline the option.
but yeah the rest of this analysis is pretty terrible. Martin is 36th % on offense- which is 250th not 386th. I am assuming you are confusing him with the other Martin which makes sense. Overall Cody is 85th overall in EPM so yeah probably a pretty elite role player.
Let's just ignore Dallas got a 26 yr old starting PF who played 36 mins per game in a playoff run to the finals... he had nothing to do with the first rounder that was purely just to dump Grant Williams lol.
Micic is valuable to Denver because he is Jokic's friend. Well, Cancar is also for $2M
Cody Martin, CHA is -2.2 in OFF EPM, 31st%, good for 386 in his best offensive season in his career shooting 44.1%/35.7%/65.6% all 2nd best marks for him in 6 seasons. But it is only 20 games so far, he has been healtier than ever, he has time to decline.
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm?m=off
Lol Dallas didn't gave 1st to get star PJ Washington, but to get rid of Williams, but OK, let's pretend it didn't happend
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/espn-grant-williams-yapping-lack-of-conditioning-dallas-mavs-trade
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10108690-report-grant-williams-rubbed-a-lot-of-people-the-wrong-way-before-mavericks-trade
This isn't even season long EPM my guy. You are using projection EPM. This version is useless.
You want this link. https://dunksandthrees.com/stats/player This actually shows how players are playing this season thus far.
The PJ Washington angle you are playing is just flat wrong, I would probably walk away from that part of the conversation. It is coming off that you didn't watch any playoff basketball last year.
I'm fully aware how good PJ Washington played in the playoffs. That is PJ Washington's corner.
But the fact stays, just read all the articles from that time, what this trade was all about. They all said the same, Dallas couldn't waith to see Williams back after just half a season. You obviously didn't follow NBA at that time.
About Martin and EPM I personely belive more in projections for a player based on 6 seasons than on 20 games semple size.
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JMAC3 wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Citing the PJ trade just leads credence to idea of combining value to get a better asset. Dumping Williams not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. PJ not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. But see both happened.
So yeah trading a bunch of low, level assets and taking back bad money to get one good asset? Seems like the sort of deal that a non-contending team should be really interested in, not mocking as beneath them somehow....
Are you moving PJ for 2 2nds then? since you are doubling down here isn't worth a first alone?
You are smart enough to understand the importance of a key player on a contending team versus a play-in ceiling team. So whether he's worth 2 2nds, a protected first, or nothing at all, Dallas isn't going to trade him for what he is worth in trade because they need him on the court.
So its just a deflection citing my team because you don't like me pointing out you actually agreeing with the concept you are arguing against.

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Texas Chuck wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Citing the PJ trade just leads credence to idea of combining value to get a better asset. Dumping Williams not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. PJ not worth that pick alone? Okay cool. But see both happened.
So yeah trading a bunch of low, level assets and taking back bad money to get one good asset? Seems like the sort of deal that a non-contending team should be really interested in, not mocking as beneath them somehow....
Are you moving PJ for 2 2nds then? since you are doubling down here isn't worth a first alone?
You are smart enough to understand the importance of a key player on a contending team versus a play-in ceiling team. So whether he's worth 2 2nds, a protected first, or nothing at all, Dallas isn't going to trade him for what he is worth in trade because they need him on the court.
So its just a deflection citing my team because you don't like me pointing out you actually agreeing with the concept you are arguing against.Seems not super productive right?
So what is PJ fair value? Take situation out of it?
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JMAC3 wrote:MasterIchiro wrote:JMAC3 wrote:
This valuation of Richards alone is better than the entire Nuggets offer, you are all over the place.
You are all over the place. And ranting.
You just said Richards might be worth a first on his own... but then also talking about giving him, 3 2nds and taking on bad contracts to get a first... That is what I mean by all over the place.
Okay, but to be clear, he's worth a late 1st.
Not a lightly protected 1st.
It has been written...
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JMAC3 wrote:So what is PJ fair value? Take situation out of it?
Good question. Lotto protected 1st feels like the ceiling, right? Probably showed enough in the playoffs that he returns some kind of first but not a premium one. He's still one of those kind of good at a few things, but not great at anything type of guys. Good enough to be a key role player on a good team, but never going to be more than that.
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well this thread got weird lol
None of the Charlotte players heading out are worth more than like the 45th pick on their own. Richards might fetch multiple 2nds from a desperate team, and I've seen enough of Martin to know his current good play isn't gonna last, whether it's his jump shot or his knee that gives out first, I have no idea.
I'd take the ~75% chance at a weakly protected 2031 1st for those guys and eating Nnaji. I would not add 2 high 2nds (this year's NOLA, and the NOLA/POR 2nd in 2027) to make it happen.
I don't know if this has ever been done, but I'd hold out for some language on that 2031 1st that it either conveys as an outright 1st (if the Nuggets never fall within top 5 protection on any of their previous commitments) or as a swap if it doesn't convey.
If that's too steep a price for Denver, I totally understand, but they simply have nothing else to offer a team to eat Nnaji. Not even 2nds. that's the deal breaker, not any of the bums on our bench.
None of the Charlotte players heading out are worth more than like the 45th pick on their own. Richards might fetch multiple 2nds from a desperate team, and I've seen enough of Martin to know his current good play isn't gonna last, whether it's his jump shot or his knee that gives out first, I have no idea.
I'd take the ~75% chance at a weakly protected 2031 1st for those guys and eating Nnaji. I would not add 2 high 2nds (this year's NOLA, and the NOLA/POR 2nd in 2027) to make it happen.
I don't know if this has ever been done, but I'd hold out for some language on that 2031 1st that it either conveys as an outright 1st (if the Nuggets never fall within top 5 protection on any of their previous commitments) or as a swap if it doesn't convey.
If that's too steep a price for Denver, I totally understand, but they simply have nothing else to offer a team to eat Nnaji. Not even 2nds. that's the deal breaker, not any of the bums on our bench.
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