Bears 9.0: Thomas Brown HC audition, offseason/draft prep

[Betta Bulleavit]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

[MAQ]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

Honestly, I question why a smart person would work for the Bears in a football capacity by choice. There only being 32 of these jobs, whatever these jobs may be, can only go so far. When you look up and every twist and turn in this franchise is ripe with failure and incompetence, why would someone put themselves behind the 8 ball by working for the Bears? This franchise is a joke

[Betta Bulleavit]

Is it just me but they should really fire Kevin Warren. He's not a football guy and he's going to be leading the coaching search and has been here for 2 years and doesn't even have a place he's committed to build the stadium. He comes across as the guy that just likes to run staff meetings. I've seen a few of those videos.

Why would this be a reason to fire him?

Maybe we should let him run the draft next....

What exactly don’t you like about Warren? Because I’ve gotta be honest, the reasoning seems rather shallow at this point.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Just FYI, I haven't read the last 8 or so pages of the previous thread, but I'd put my money Thomas Brown or Marcus Freeman being the next head coach of the Chicago Bears. I'd be okay with either. I think this team will look much better over the remainder of the season.

[Betta Bulleavit]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

Honestly, I question why a smart person would work for the Bears in a football capacity by choice. There only being 32 of these jobs, whatever these jobs may be, can only go so far. When you look up and every twist and turn in this franchise is ripe with failure and incompetence, why would someone put themselves behind the 8 ball by working for the Bears? This franchise is a joke

You just answered your own question. There are only 32 of these jobs in the world and that actually goes VERY far. Now, if you’re a highly sought after candidate, sure. The Bears aren’t going to be your first choice. But there aren’t very many GM candidates that are THAT sought after. So it kinda goes both ways.

[fleet]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

Honestly, I question why a smart person would work for the Bears in a football capacity by choice. There only being 32 of these jobs, whatever these jobs may be, can only go so far. When you look up and every twist and turn in this franchise is ripe with failure and incompetence, why would someone put themselves behind the 8 ball by working for the Bears? This franchise is a joke

George being involved in any capacity is a clown show by definition. That’s why we had to go through all this to the point of a borderline team mutiny. That’s why the Eberflus firing decision and announcement was botched. And we already know the questions about the hiring. The need to have George directly involved in the final decision is the biggest problem. If it was just Ryan and Kevin, probably would have been done much cleaner, weeks earlier, or done the night before the Flus presser. The propaganda that George says about him being a hands off owner is manuro. He might be on certain things, but the big hires and fires, one can see he is involved up to his nostrils, and this causes problems. If I’m a coach or GM with many options, then the Bears definitely need to break the bank and overbid the market for me, because I know this ownership is going to complicate my job performance.

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[Dresden]

I don't think the good ones do. There's currently 10 HC's with at least 5 years in the same job.

Yeah, maybe you are right, and I'm thinking too much of the NBA, though really elite coaches can stay for very long times, I'm not convinced that a good coach can't come in for 3-5 years and then kind of burn out, it depends a lot on the org too. Maybe I will rephrase it this way, if you had a guy you had high confidence in over 3-4 years but were scared he might burn guys out after that period of time, I'd be good with that guy.

I would be too. But all things being equal, you'd like the stability of having a long term HC/GM in place. I think some of the most successful teams have had that, although it's sort of a chicken or the egg thing.

[Dresden]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

I agree. People love to pile on. Hopefully Poles and Warren ignore the media frenzy and the gossipy fans and just go about their business.

[dougthonus]

I would be too. But all things being equal, you'd like the stability of having a long term HC/GM in place. I think some of the most successful teams have had that, although it's sort of a chicken or the egg thing.

Yeah, I agree, all things being equal, you'd choose an A+ coach for 20 years rather than 4. Think in some ways to get that guy you almost have to go the coordinator route and land the guy that becomes the super elite guy. The other dudes that can be that guy just don't hit the market until the point you aren't sure you want them (like say Belichick or Carroll now).

[Dresden]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

Honestly, I question why a smart person would work for the Bears in a football capacity by choice. There only being 32 of these jobs, whatever these jobs may be, can only go so far. When you look up and every twist and turn in this franchise is ripe with failure and incompetence, why would someone put themselves behind the 8 ball by working for the Bears? This franchise is a joke

There are 12 other NFL teams that have gone longer without winning a SB than the Bears, and I would bet the fans of most of those teams feel the same way about their organizations. When you don't win year after year, everyone questions everything, and it all goes up to the top man/woman.

I think the Bears are going in a very positive direction right now. I'd go so far as to say this team has more potential than any other team since the super bowl era teams. I could be wrong about that- I haven't followed the team as closely in some years as I currently do. But they've never had a QB like Caleb Williams, they've never had a receiving group this talented (although the ones Cutler had might be), their defense has the potential to be an elite unit, and they're mostly young. I don't really understand all the hand wringing about things right now.

[Dresden]

I would be too. But all things being equal, you'd like the stability of having a long term HC/GM in place. I think some of the most successful teams have had that, although it's sort of a chicken or the egg thing.

Yeah, I agree, all things being equal, you'd choose an A+ coach for 20 years rather than 4. Think in some ways to get that guy you almost have to go the coordinator route and land the guy that becomes the super elite guy. The other dudes that can be that guy just don't hit the market until the point you aren't sure you want them (like say Belichick or Carroll now).

I think to stay in your job as HC (and maybe GM) for a long time, you probably have to have a lot of success early on. That gives you the momentum to ride out the inevitable down years. McVay and Shanahan are both in that boat. Tomlin, too. And I think John Harbaugh won early too. And of course Belichick.

Andy Reid is an outlier in that he was good but not great with PHI, then found his home in KC and he'll be coach there for as long as he wants.

[fleet]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

Sometimes. Or with the Bears…all the time. Everything they do in the front office is the worst possible scenario. Always too late, too unprofessional, and wrongheaded in specifics. Your objection is for a team that doesn’t make all the wrong moves. Kevin Warren was supposed to turn this franchise into a Swiss watch of a franchise. Like the teams we admire. What’s he done but continue to run the team as it always has been run as the rest of the NFL STDH

[Betta Bulleavit]

The way the Bears botched this firing was not a nothing burger according to Hoge

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-coaching-search-is-reportedly-in-trouble-already/

I just don’t understand what there is to explain to perspective candidates. This is a business. It happens this way sometimes. It just is what it is. The timing was crazy and had they cancelled the presser, it would have brought about the very situation that they were trying to avoid. And that was the media vultures trying to scoop the story before they themselves had gotten a chance to inform Flus themselves. If you ask me, it was actually the stand up thing to do. Nobody ever complains when players fly to a city only to find out that they’ve been traded. This is honestly a nothing burger. And if a coach wants to get their undies wadded up over this, then they can’t possibly be the leader of men that we’re looking for anyway.

Sometimes. Or with the Bears…all the time. Everything they do in the front office is the worst possible scenario. Always too late, too unprofessional, and wrongheaded in specifics. Your objection is for a team that doesn’t make all the wrong moves. Kevin Warren was supposed to turn this franchise into a Swiss watch of a franchise. Like the teams we admire. What’s he done but continue to run the team as it always has been run as the rest of the NFL STDH

While I can value your opinion, it is just that…an opinion. I don’t like the McCaskeys any more than the next person. But that doesn’t have a lot to do with what Poles and Warren have done. It seems like most of the people that have an issue with this are engaging more in an airing of grievances than really noting what Warren and Poles are doing wrong. Poles needed to tear it down, that’s exactly what he did. He tried to make the best of an arranged coaching situation. He determined that going forward with Flus wasn’t part of his vision and so he executed the change. He saw that moving forward with Fields wasn’t part of his vision, he executed that change as well. I feel like Poles has done more right than he has wrong.

And as far as Warren goes, the jury is still out. But if nothing else, he’s stood with Poles the whole way. We can’t go changing leadership regimes every 3 to 4 years just because we don’t like team ownership. That’s not a winning formula either.

[Jvaughn]

I kinda feel for Thomas Brown. Really feels like he's going to be a lame duck coach. Not really sure if Warren is going to legitimately give him a shot at the job, regardless how we finish. Teams got to be under pressure to bring in an established talent at HC.

We shouldn't give Thomas Brown a shot regardless of how he finishes, but that's no reason to feel sorry for him.

Prior to this year, he was OC for one of the worst offenses in the league for a single year (Carolina), and had lower coaching jobs prior to that. With him showing improvement this year as OC for the Bears and getting an interim shot at HC gives him an amazing opportunity to grow his name/brand even if he doesn't get the job. I would wager he was no where near a HC candidate prior to this, so any success he shows is going to be great for helping him land a better job in the future, even if his next step is to probably repeat as an OC somewhere.

I'm also sure he gets a huge bump in salary by being interim HC, so monetarily its a great thing that happened for him.

For the Bears, no need to care about Brown at all. He was unlikely to be back next year in any scenario they fired Flus, so he's in the same boat, with more money and more opportunity. This is the first year he's been with the Bears, and he took the job knowing it was a good chance to be a lame duck position. We should have zero concern about his career vs the best outcome for the team. Anyone coaching in the NFL knows what a slippery slope it is and how the job market works.

Oh I agree with you. Just seems like a wild ride for him. Accept the passing coordinator position, then get double promotions to HC, which puts the limit on his tenure to 1 year, of no fault of his own.

[navdeep_singh]

Probably the first time in American sports history: the Bears are the first team ever to have a Black CEO/President, General Manager, Head Coach, QB, Offensive Cooridnator, Defensive Coordiantor, Special Teams Coordinator.

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I know nothing of Brown yet agree 1000% with that tweet.

[TheStig]

Why would this be a reason to fire him?

Maybe we should let him run the draft next....

What exactly don’t you like about Warren? Because I’ve gotta be honest, the reasoning seems rather shallow at this point.

I don't know why a non football person would say he's in charge of making a key football decision. And the thing he is in charge of, picking a new stadium location and getting it built has made little to no progress in 2 years. His accomplishments and his belief in his staff seem shallow at this point. Don't really trust him to pick an HC and he should let the football people do their thing.

[Dresden]

Probably the first time in American sports history: the Bears are the first team ever to have a Black CEO/President, General Manager, Head Coach, QB, Offensive Cooridnator, Defensive Coordiantor, Special Teams Coordinator.

I was thinking about that too. Pretty amazing.

[Dresden]

Maybe we should let him run the draft next....

What exactly don’t you like about Warren? Because I’ve gotta be honest, the reasoning seems rather shallow at this point.

I don't know why a non football person would say he's in charge of making a key football decision. And the thing he is in charge of, picking a new stadium location and getting it built has made little to no progress in 2 years. His accomplishments and his belief in his staff seem shallow at this point. Don't really trust him to pick an HC and he should let the football people do their thing.

Didn't he say that Poles would have the final say?