NBA Trade Thread #11

[Muzbar]

The only way IMO we get off Zach’s deal is by taking another contract we don’t really want. Ideally it’s a player you can flip in a year. Can’t stand Wiggins but at 27M per for same time as Zach’s deal… I do it if we got the Dubs 1st this year or Bpod.

Same for DET. Zach’s a great spot for them. They would need THJ and Stewart and add in Ausar or Holland. They can’t trade their 1st.

Maybe Zach gets traded at the draft when it’s way easier.

When the dust settles I will be surprised if we do t see Vuc Craig and at least one of Coby or Zach traded.

You're not getting Podz for Zach, they wouldn't trade him for Lauri.

I still think the Lakers are the only team with enough contracts to make a play at Zach, unless the Nuggets feel Zach is better than MPJ and swap them.

The size of Zachs deal is the biggest hurdle as most teams would have to include 3-4 players to reach his salary and then you've got roster issues to even make such a trade.

Dubs will trade BPod. He’s not even playing that much and he’s not having a great season. They just decided BPod and 4-5 1sts was too much. Dubs HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE or I think Steph will ask for a trade after season. I live here in SF. He’s made it known.

Zach and Craig are better than MPJ for sure. But that gives Chicago no value unless we can get a 3rd team involved for a 1st for MPJ.

I think Vuc is a more likely target for the Warriors than Zach, Vuc is paid less than half as much as Zach and gives them size, rebounding and shooting at the 5, something they lack.

A deal around Melton, Looney and their 1st could be a good starting point.

[Chi town]

You're not getting Podz for Zach, they wouldn't trade him for Lauri.

I still think the Lakers are the only team with enough contracts to make a play at Zach, unless the Nuggets feel Zach is better than MPJ and swap them.

The size of Zachs deal is the biggest hurdle as most teams would have to include 3-4 players to reach his salary and then you've got roster issues to even make such a trade.

I will be shocked if Vuc gets a 1st I’ll be shocked. We’d have to take back a really bad contract like Wiggins.

If you’re Steph do you think Vuc or Zach give you a better shot at winning? Steph Zach Hield could present quite the problem for teams.

Dubs will trade BPod. He’s not even playing that much and he’s not having a great season. They just decided BPod and 4-5 1sts was too much. Dubs HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE or I think Steph will ask for a trade after season. I live here in SF. He’s made it known.

Zach and Craig are better than MPJ for sure. But that gives Chicago no value unless we can get a 3rd team involved for a 1st for MPJ.

I think Vuc is a more likely target for the Warriors than Zach, Vuc is paid less than half as much as Zach and gives them size, rebounding and shooting at the 5, something they lack.

A deal around Melton, Looney and their 1st could be a good starting point.

[Danimals]

What kind of return would it take to get Jalen Smith off you guys? What about Smith and White?

[Chi town]

What kind of return would it take to get Jalen Smith off you guys? What about Smith and White?

We’ve been talking two 1sts for Coby. Albeit most likely top 10 protected because of his age and contract.

Smith has been great and he’s on a good value contract too.

[jnrjr79]

What kind of return would it take to get Jalen Smith off you guys? What about Smith and White?

Smith might be a tough ask assuming the Bulls are trying to trade Vooch, just because the Bulls would be fairly bereft of centers. If another big were coming back in the deal, that might help. (I don't care - I'm pro-tank, but I assume the org cares). It wouldn't shock me if you could get both for a 1st and non-bad salary/young prospects.

[NecessaryEvil]

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Moody & Two 2nds maybe?

[jnrjr79]

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Moody & Two 2nds maybe?

You need a lot more salary coming to the Bulls to make that work, so then you're also going to need some more outbound players from the Bulls.

GS and the Bulls are both under the 1st apron and hard capped at it. According to Spotrac, the Warriors have $533K of space under the apron, while the Bulls have $9.5 million of space under the apron.

Vooch + Craig + Terry for Melton + Looney + Moody works, it seems.

[sco]

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Moody & Two 2nds maybe?

According to fanspo, Moody cannot be traded this year because he signed an extension after 9/28.

Maybe Melton, Looney (both expirings), Jackson-Davis and a couple 2nds?

[Muzbar]

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Moody & Two 2nds maybe?

According to fanspo, Moody cannot be traded this year because he signed an extension after 9/28.

Maybe Melton, Looney (both expirings), Jackson-Davis and a couple 2nds?

Correct. Moody cannot be traded this season.

I'd personally enquire about Melton, Looney and their 2025 FRP. The Bulls would have to release a player to make the trade however and Melton can't be traded until Dec 15.

[drosestruts]

Just remember - it was Kuminga we wanted last year when talking to the Warriors about Caruso.

If there's rumours that the Bulls want a "Talented young players" from the Warriors - it's a safe bet that that talented young player is Kuminga.

Vuc alone is unlikely to get Kuminga, but attaching Craig and one of Coby or Ayo and things start getting interesting. From my point of view at least.

[drosestruts]

A different sort of Vuc trade - not based on any rumors.

Bulls in: Duncan Robinson and Kel'el Ware

Heat in: Nikola Vucevic and Torrey Craig

Bulls main get is Ware on his rookie deal as a young center option. Robinson is only partially guaranteed for next season.

Heat add Vuc and Craig and I think both could be put into the starting rotation for a lineup of Herro-Butler-Craig-Bam-Vuc

Bam is given the freedom to roam and help more which is terrifying for opponents. Meanwhile you have Butler and Craig in as wing defenders which is also a tough defensive duo. Vuc (47%) and Craig (39%) bring much needed shooting and spacing to the Heat's lineup.

The biggest asset the Heat give is a player who plays the same position as Bam anyway.

[Muzbar]

A different sort of Vuc trade - not based on any rumors.

Bulls in: Duncan Robinson and Kel'el Ware

Heat in: Nikola Vucevic and Torrey Craig

Bulls main get is Ware on his rookie deal as a young center option. Robinson is only partially guaranteed for next season.

Heat add Vuc and Craig and I think both could be put into the starting rotation for a lineup of Herro-Butler-Craig-Bam-Vuc

Bam is given the freedom to roam and help more which is terrifying for opponents. Meanwhile you have Butler and Craig in as wing defenders which is also a tough defensive duo. Vuc (47%) and Craig (39%) bring much needed shooting and spacing to the Heat's lineup.

The biggest asset the Heat give is a player who plays the same position as Bam anyway.

Vuc plays the same position as Bam. Why would the Heat do this? This isn't the 90's anymore.

[Chi town]

I think the Dubs will def be trading Kuminga as he wants to get paid.

Kuminga doesn’t really fit here with Giddey Pat and Buz.

Dubs won’t be trading BPod for Vuc. They don’t really have any more young talent. I’d want TJD but he wint be traded. They won’t trade their 1st. I do think they would trade Kuminga for Vuc. Maybe we trade Kuminga to a 3rd team for a 1st.

[Muzbar]

I think the Dubs will def be trading Kuminga as he wants to get paid.

Kuminga doesn’t really fit here with Giddey Pat and Buz.

Dubs won’t be trading BPod for Vuc. They don’t really have any more young talent. I’d want TJD but he wint be traded. They won’t trade their 1st. I do think they would trade Kuminga for Vuc. Maybe we trade Kuminga to a 3rd team for a 1st.

Why do you think they won't trade their 1st? I think they'd definitely consider it personally.

[jnrjr79]

I think the Dubs will def be trading Kuminga as he wants to get paid.

Kuminga doesn’t really fit here with Giddey Pat and Buz.

Dubs won’t be trading BPod for Vuc. They don’t really have any more young talent. I’d want TJD but he wint be traded. They won’t trade their 1st. I do think they would trade Kuminga for Vuc. Maybe we trade Kuminga to a 3rd team for a 1st.

Why do you think they won't trade their 1st? I think they'd definitely consider it personally.

A team riding an aging Steph Curry who has had an unexpectedly strong start out of the gate? Agreed, that screams "would trade the 1st" to me.

[Muzbar]

I think the Dubs will def be trading Kuminga as he wants to get paid.

Kuminga doesn’t really fit here with Giddey Pat and Buz.

Dubs won’t be trading BPod for Vuc. They don’t really have any more young talent. I’d want TJD but he wint be traded. They won’t trade their 1st. I do think they would trade Kuminga for Vuc. Maybe we trade Kuminga to a 3rd team for a 1st.

Why do you think they won't trade their 1st? I think they'd definitely consider it personally.

A team riding an aging Steph Curry who has had an unexpectedly strong start out of the gate? Agreed, that screams "would trade the 1st" to me.

Especially with them sitting near the top of the West (4th), their pick is currently 24th per tankathon. Trading a late first for a big that fills a bunch of needs and fits almost seamlessly with the current team seems like a no brainer.

[Chi town]

I think the Dubs will def be trading Kuminga as he wants to get paid.

Kuminga doesn’t really fit here with Giddey Pat and Buz.

Dubs won’t be trading BPod for Vuc. They don’t really have any more young talent. I’d want TJD but he wint be traded. They won’t trade their 1st. I do think they would trade Kuminga for Vuc. Maybe we trade Kuminga to a 3rd team for a 1st.

Why do you think they won't trade their 1st? I think they'd definitely consider it personally.

Not for Vuc.

I think they will make two deals. One for a player like Vuc and another for their 2nd star to go with Curry using Wiggins salary Bpod and their 1st.

I personally think they should be trading for Lavine. He’s exactly what they need.

Vuc trade would be Looney Melton and 2nds. AK will want more. TJD but he won’t get him.

[Muzbar]

I think the Dubs will def be trading Kuminga as he wants to get paid.

Kuminga doesn’t really fit here with Giddey Pat and Buz.

Dubs won’t be trading BPod for Vuc. They don’t really have any more young talent. I’d want TJD but he wint be traded. They won’t trade their 1st. I do think they would trade Kuminga for Vuc. Maybe we trade Kuminga to a 3rd team for a 1st.

Why do you think they won't trade their 1st? I think they'd definitely consider it personally.

Not for Vuc.

I think they will make two deals. One for a player like Vuc and another for their 2nd star to go with Curry using Wiggins salary Bpod and their 1st.

I personally think they should be trading for Lavine. He’s exactly what they need.

Vuc trade would be Looney Melton and 2nds. AK will want more. TJD but he won’t get him.

But you think they'd trade Kuminga for Vuc, who arguably has more value then their FRP this year?

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Kuminga is not good.

[Chi town]

Why do you think they won't trade their 1st? I think they'd definitely consider it personally.

Not for Vuc.

I think they will make two deals. One for a player like Vuc and another for their 2nd star to go with Curry using Wiggins salary Bpod and their 1st.

I personally think they should be trading for Lavine. He’s exactly what they need.

Vuc trade would be Looney Melton and 2nds. AK will want more. TJD but he won’t get him.

But you think they'd trade Kuminga for Vuc, who arguably has more value then their FRP this year?

I don’t think Kuminga will get a 1st in this draft. He wants a big contract that Dubs can’t afford. He still can’t shoot and he’s really inconsistent. Dubs don’t have the money or the time to wait around on him.

If I’m the Bulls I’d gladly trade for him and flip him hoping for another player.