Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[dohboy_24]

Here is our schedule for the next 25 games until the end of January:



Going 8-17 would give us a record of 14-32 just before the trade deadline (Feb 6th).

If we're able to pick up a couple of extra wins to go 12-13 over this stretch of games, our record after playing more than 60% of our schedule would still be just 18 wins with 28 losses.

Even at that win rate (39%) we'd probably be out of contention for the play-in tournament and would still likely be positioned as "sellers" at the trade deadline with Bruce Brown and Jakob Poeltl the most likely candidates to be dealt.

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Will Hardy understood the assignment,

Silver needs to send a message. Take their pick away.

That was glorious lol. I can't help but think that would really piss the players off though, Sexton looked annoyed, but he probably knows he's on his way out.

[MainEvent]

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Will Hardy understood the assignment,

Silver needs to send a message. Take their pick away.

wow, that was brutal.. about as bad as Casey playing it out down 2 where the other team had the ball and there was a 1 or 2 second difference in the game/24 second clocks.

what a gem

[Pointgod]

F*CK YOU UTAH!!!!11 GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

We're never gonna be worse than them or Washington (obv lol the worst team in the league by a mile).

But keep in mind a few teams & things:

1. BKN has made it known they're ready/willing to trade any of Cam Thomas, Johnson or DFS
2. CHI has made it known they're ready/willing to trade any of LaVine, Vuc or Ball
3. LaMelo is out with a calf strain which could not only lead to CHA plummeting now but obv makes him a MAJOR risk to re-injure (or worse) given not only his own horrible injury history but obv his aforementioned brother who's made of glass that the Ball family doesn't seem to have the best genes for that lol
4. NOP wanted to/want to trade Ingram and it's ALREADY incredibly unlikely the Pels can climb the standings in the West enough to make the Playoffs and there's no real clear timeline *ahem for any of their guys' returns *wink wink....they're tanking but ppl don't even realize it yet
5. Do you reeeeally think POR is a better team than ours fully healthy?!?

That's at least 5 other teams I could quite easily see us leapfrogging by season's end and that's not even mentioning DET with Cunningham's bad injury track record either and don''t count out Pops/Spurs to tank because they could obviously sky rocket their franchise with another all-star caliber prospect. It's absolutely going to be a fight to remain in the top 7, no point in even stressing the top 2-3 lol

We should be looking to trade Peoltl, Brown, Boucher and Olynyk. Whatever it takes

[dballislife]

was - kuzma, poole
utah - collins, sexton, clarkson
nets - johnson, shroeder, thomas, finney-smith
bulls - lavine, vucevic
portland - grant, ayton, simmons

teams are gonna be adding fuel to their thanks and looking to unload...these teams are terrible even with these players, man how are we gonna out tank these 5 when they start making moves

add in det, char and pelicans.....its gonna be really really tough even if we make trades because other teams are losing even better players to their already terrible lineups.....its not even about our roster its about theres, tanking means falling below most of these teams, seriously guys how can we do it?

[PushDaRock]

was - kuzma, poole
utah - collins, sexton, clarkson
nets - johnson, shroeder, thomas, finney-smith
bulls - lavine, vucevic
portland - grant, ayton, simmons

teams are gonna be adding fuel to their thanks and looking to unload...these teams are terrible even with these players, man how are we gonna out tank these 5 when they start making moves

add in det, char and pelicans.....its gonna be really really tough even if we make trades because other teams are losing even better players to their already terrible lineups.....its not even about our roster its about theres, tanking means falling below most of these teams, seriously guys how can we do it?

Ending up with a bottom 5 record comes from either major injuries, a purposely terrible roster or incompetence. It doesn't look like our situation is the latter 2, so basically it will likely come down to major injuries as the only real way to be in tanking contention.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

That's kind of the problem, we have all these long term contracts...and a bad record.

[PushDaRock]

That's kind of the problem, we have all these long term contracts...and a bad record.

Not sure if there is a correlation here but our players with those long term contracts being injured might have something to do with that.

[KrazyP]

Imagine ignoring other success stories. OKC, Spurs, Houston now . . .

Rockets went out and signed Fred and Brooks. Before that they won like 21 games.

OKC’s best player was acquired through a trade not the draft. If Kawhi doesn’t choose LAC, OKC is sitting with a core of Williams and injured Chet.

Spurs are 10-9.

Amen Thompson, Sengun, Tari Eason are the real drivers of their turnaround.

Drafting isn't the only avenue in a rebuild, trades also matter. A common misnomer amongst anti tankers. Trading in a tanking scenario is easier because winning isn't the priority.

Spurs got a widely considered generational player (this should require zero explanation).

With the Spurs, it should be noted that they had a 86% of not getting Wemby even though they had the 3rd worst record. That would have likely resulted in them choosing between the Thompson twins, Henderson, Miller, Couibily, etc.

Sengun and Eason were mid 1st rounders

OKC's amazing rebuild is a direct result of the lopsided Clippers trade for Paul George. OKC acquired George a year prior in a complete NON tanking move.

Moral of the story? There is no right way to build. Draft is a good way to build assets expecially for rebuilding teams whose cupboard is bare. That said, Raps fans dont need to panic if the pick doesnt land top 5.

The biggest issue Raps fans right now should be worried about is the Ed Rogers vs Masai Ujiri fued/Ujiri contract status, but noboby here really talks about that.

[Los_29]

Imagine ignoring other success stories. OKC, Spurs, Houston now . . .

Rockets went out and signed Fred and Brooks. Before that they won like 21 games.

OKC’s best player was acquired through a trade not the draft. If Kawhi doesn’t choose LAC, OKC is sitting with a core of Williams and injured Chet.

Spurs are 10-9.

Amen Thompson, Sengun, Tari Eason are the real drivers of their turnaround.

Drafting isn't the only avenue in a rebuild, trades also matter. A common misnomer amongst anti tankers. Trading in a tanking scenario is easier because winning isn't the priority.

Spurs got a widely considered generational player (this should require zero explanation).

lol, I know deep down you don’t believe this. I still remember you claiming Fred was a 10m a year player.

And I agree, drafting isn’t the only avenue in a rebuild. SGA was acquired in a trade that only happened due to Kawhi deciding to go to LA. Without that trade, OKC is a team that fights for the play-in with a mediocre core. That simply can’t be ignored. It’s a fact that some are very hesitant to bring up here.

[disoblige]

I never knew you can call a timeout mid-drive. Never seen it until a few days ago.

[YogurtProducer]

That's kind of the problem, we have all these long term contracts...and a bad record.

Is there a correlation between contract length and future success or lack thereof?

[Los_29]

That's kind of the problem, we have all these long term contracts...and a bad record.

Is there a correlation between contract length and future success or lack thereof?

That’s actually a great thing when your team is full of young players.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

That's kind of the problem, we have all these long term contracts...and a bad record.

Is there a correlation between contract length and future success or lack thereof?

That’s actually a great thing when your team is full of young players.

Young cheap player = good @27 wins
Young expensive players= bad @27 wins

If things go south, you can move cheap contracts fast. Not so much with multiple years.

[YogurtProducer]

Is there a correlation between contract length and future success or lack thereof?

That’s actually a great thing when your team is full of young players.

Young cheap player = good @27 wins
Young expensive players= bad @27 wins

If things go south, you can move cheap contracts fast. Not so much with multiple years.

Who exactly is a bad contract?

Are you aware of other teams cap situations? Are we significantly worse than any other rebuilding teams?

[Duffman100]

That’s actually a great thing when your team is full of young players.

Young cheap player = good @27 wins
Young expensive players= bad @27 wins

If things go south, you can move cheap contracts fast. Not so much with multiple years.

Who exactly is a bad contract?

Are you aware of other teams cap situations? Are we significantly worse than any other rebuilding teams?

1 of our 'expensive players' hasn't played this season really. (quickley)
Another has missed half the games (Barnes)
Another has been cast into the #1 role when he isn't set for that. (barrett)

Who else?

[Los_29]

Is there a correlation between contract length and future success or lack thereof?

That’s actually a great thing when your team is full of young players.

Young cheap player = good @27 wins
Young expensive players= bad @27 wins

If things go south, you can move cheap contracts fast. Not so much with multiple years.

Good thing we mainly have young players on cheap contracts then.

And young players on expensive contracts aren’t necessarily that bad either. Teams don’t mind paying for potential. And at least with IQ, teams know what kind of player he is.

[ItsDanger]

Rockets went out and signed Fred and Brooks. Before that they won like 21 games.

OKC’s best player was acquired through a trade not the draft. If Kawhi doesn’t choose LAC, OKC is sitting with a core of Williams and injured Chet.

Spurs are 10-9.

Amen Thompson, Sengun, Tari Eason are the real drivers of their turnaround.

Drafting isn't the only avenue in a rebuild, trades also matter. A common misnomer amongst anti tankers. Trading in a tanking scenario is easier because winning isn't the priority.

Spurs got a widely considered generational player (this should require zero explanation).

lol, I know deep down you don’t believe this. I still remember you claiming Fred was a 10m a year player.

And I agree, drafting isn’t the only avenue in a rebuild. SGA was acquired in a trade that only happened due to Kawhi deciding to go to LA. Without that trade, OKC is a team that fights for the play-in with a mediocre core. That simply can’t be ignored. It’s a fact that some are very hesitant to bring up here.

You constantly and intentionally exclude facts in any discussion. Why do you insist on posting in a pro tank thread always? Do you believe you will convince anyone?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Young cheap player = good @27 wins
Young expensive players= bad @27 wins

If things go south, you can move cheap contracts fast. Not so much with multiple years.

Who exactly is a bad contract?

Are you aware of other teams cap situations? Are we significantly worse than any other rebuilding teams?

1 of our 'expensive players' hasn't played this season really. (quickley)
Another has missed half the games (Barnes)
Another has been cast into the #1 role when he isn't set for that. (barrett)

Who else?

I don't think they turn into Zach Lavine type bad. But Barnes and IQ don't age well, if we stay here long. It's a lot of money owing.

[Duffman100]

Who exactly is a bad contract?

Are you aware of other teams cap situations? Are we significantly worse than any other rebuilding teams?

1 of our 'expensive players' hasn't played this season really. (quickley)
Another has missed half the games (Barnes)
Another has been cast into the #1 role when he isn't set for that. (barrett)

Who else?

I don't think they turn into Zach Lavine type bad. But Barnes and IQ don't age well, if we stay here long. It's a lot of money owing.

If you're concerned they're injury prone, that's one argument.

If you're concerned about salary to record performance - at least let them actually... play?