Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[raferfenix]

Bucks Out: Bobby, 2031 1st (Top-3 protected)
Bucks In: Keegan Murray, Keon Ellis

Kings Out: Murray, Ellis, Huerter, Trey Lyles
Kings in: Cam Johnson, Bobby

BKN Out: Johnson
BKN In: Huerter, Lyles, 2031 MIL 1st

Waive Livingston. There's your framework.

I'd be plenty happy if we could pull just 1 of Ellis or Murray.

Nets make sense as a potential team to be in a multi-team trade either way.

Kuzma and Kuminga also come to mind as options to headline Sacramento's return in this kind of deal as well.

[emunney]

Bucks Out: Bobby, 2031 1st (Top-3 protected)
Bucks In: Keegan Murray, Keon Ellis

Kings Out: Murray, Ellis, Huerter, Trey Lyles
Kings in: Cam Johnson, Bobby

BKN Out: Johnson
BKN In: Huerter, Lyles, 2031 MIL 1st

Waive Livingston. There's your framework.

I'd be all over this, seems bad for the Kings, though. Are they throwing in the towel on Murray?

Also, long time Ellis fan, but if we could move him for a backup C of comparable quality -- maybe somebody young enough for Brook to tutor -- that would be ideal.

[Badgerlander]

If we are moving our first round pick we should call OKC and try and pry multiple picks out of them in return. Restock seconds and try to get multiple firsts. Okc has limited roster spots for all of their picks in the next few drafts.

[raferfenix]

Vivek seems like an owner primed to make a panic trade.

Trading Murray (or Ellis) definitely could bite them but it sure doesn't seem like that team as constructed is on track to doing much of anything even if everything goes right:

Sacramento Kings’ forward Keegan Murray is off to a slow start in 2024-25, his third season since being drafted fourth overall in the 2022 NBA Draft.

Through 21 games, he’s averaging 12.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, and 1.6 assists on 41.5 percent from the field. Perhaps most concerning, however, has been his 27.4 percent conversion rate from three on 5.6 attempts per game.

After breaking the rookie record for made threes in a single season (206) on 41.1 percent in his debut season, he dipped down to 35.8 percent beyond the arc last season as mentioned, that downward trend has unfortunately carried over and spiraled into this season.

He’s had more defensive responsibilities, including rebounding, but Sacramento could use his increased offensive production after losing six of their last seven matchups.

https://sactownsports.com/nba-sacramento-kings-keegan-murray-remains-confident-despite-shooting-struggles-early-2024-25/

[paulpressey25]

Bucks Out: Bobby, 2031 1st (Top-3 protected)
Bucks In: Keegan Murray, Keon Ellis

Kings Out: Murray, Ellis, Huerter, Trey Lyles
Kings in: Cam Johnson, Bobby

BKN Out: Johnson
BKN In: Huerter, Lyles, 2031 MIL 1st

Waive Livingston. There's your framework.

This is the play if the Kings would go for it. Right now they are melting down out there. The 2023 season is looking like a flash in the pan. Murray is struggling, and he's the perfect buy low candidate.

Kings though are giving up a lot in the deal above, only to get Bobby and Cam. Don't see much of an upgrade for them.

[Bernman]

Keegan Murray's in a small group of players I'd seriously consider trading the 1st rd pick for. But I would want some protection, maybe top 5, not just 3. Even if you're really bad, you don't usually win a top 3 pick. It ends up 4-5.

And I'd look to add an on ball creator or athletic big over another 3&d guard like Ellis, as the 2nd guy in the trade.

[Ron Swanson]

Bobby and the 2031 2nd round pick for Keon Ellis would be fine too. You guys are crazy if you think giving up a 2031 1st for Ellis alone is a good idea though. They've gotta throw Murray in there to make that palatable. Called it last offseason that his ceiling was getting pretty overrated and that you needed for his price to come down a bit. Now would be the time to pounce if Vivek is gonna make him available.

[German Athens]

Bucks Out: Bobby, 2031 1st (Top-3 protected)
Bucks In: Keegan Murray, Keon Ellis

Kings Out: Murray, Ellis, Huerter, Trey Lyles
Kings in: Cam Johnson, Bobby

BKN Out: Johnson
BKN In: Huerter, Lyles, 2031 MIL 1st

Waive Livingston. There's your framework.

I'd be all over this, seems bad for the Kings, though. Are they throwing in the towel on Murray?

Also, long time Ellis fan, but if we could move him for a backup C of comparable quality -- maybe somebody young enough for Brook to tutor -- that would be ideal.

Goga?


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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

To be in 8-10 convo, you would have to think he is better than 3 of Steph/Hakeem/Shaq/Duncan/Kobe (assuming we all agree Jordan, LBJ, Wilt, KAJ, Magic, Bird, Bill** are top 7) No way I put Giannis ahead of Steph, Shaq or Duncan. I don't think there is really a conversation to be had on those guys.

Giannis is easily better than Shaq.

define easily? is there a reason or data behind it, or just just like his play style better?

Give me the guy with 4 rings and took his team to the finals as a 22 year old sophomore (Granted in a bit of a Kobe hater and think Shaq was the main guy). I think their peaks and are close with a slight edge to Shaq and Shaq as the additional bonus for volume (11th in points, 16th in reb, 9th for blocks, etc). Like Giannis could pass him up with a ring or two or 3-4 more years of all NBA play but I'm not there yet.

[Profound23]

To be in 8-10 convo, you would have to think he is better than 3 of Steph/Hakeem/Shaq/Duncan/Kobe (assuming we all agree Jordan, LBJ, Wilt, KAJ, Magic, Bird, Bill** are top 7) No way I put Giannis ahead of Steph, Shaq or Duncan. I don't think there is really a conversation to be had on those guys.

Giannis is easily better than Shaq.

define easily? is there a reason or data behind it, or just just like his play style better?

Give me the guy with 4 rings and took his team to the finals as a 22 year old sophomore (Granted in a bit of a Kobe hater and think Shaq was the main guy). I think their peaks and are close with a slight edge to Shaq and Shaq as the additional bonus for volume (11th in points, 16th in reb, 9th for blocks, etc). Like Giannis could pass him up with a ring or two or 3-4 more years of all NBA play but I'm not there yet.

My feeling after the 2021 championship was Giannis had the chance to make it into the 8-10 convo if he continues to evolve his game and wins 1-2 more rings. Unfortunately since then his game has not grown....until this year where he finally seems to have developed a decent midrange. He also has to stay healthy in playoff time. It's still possible, but improbable that Giannis is a consensus top 10 player. He has to continue to develop his jumper, hit free throws, stay healthy, and win 1-2 more rings.

If as a Bucks fan you want to consider Giannis as a top 10 all-time I get it, but you have to at least in your head admit that it's bias.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks Out: Bobby, 2031 1st (Top-3 protected)
Bucks In: Keegan Murray, Keon Ellis

Kings Out: Murray, Ellis, Huerter, Trey Lyles
Kings in: Cam Johnson, Bobby

BKN Out: Johnson
BKN In: Huerter, Lyles, 2031 MIL 1st

Waive Livingston. There's your framework.

I'd be plenty happy if we could pull just 1 of Ellis or Murray.

Nets make sense as a potential team to be in a multi-team trade either way.

Kuzma and Kuminga also come to mind as options to headline Sacramento's return in this kind of deal as well.

The 1 issue here is the Nets sound adament about not taking on longterm salary, and have wanted 2- 1sts for Cam Johnson. In this deal they get just 1- 1st, and take on the ugly Heurter contract.

[German Athens]

Send Ellis to the Nets and take Clowney off Brooklyn’s hands.

Him or Sharpe, whoever you prefer.


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[raferfenix]

Bobby and the 2031 2nd round pick for Keon Ellis would be fine too. You guys are crazy if you think giving up a 2031 1st for Ellis alone is a good idea though. They've gotta throw Murray in there to make that palatable. Called it last offseason that his ceiling was getting pretty overrated and that you needed for his price to come down a bit. Now would be the time to pounce if Vivek is gonna make him available.

Spotrac says we could send Bobby into the Kings' open MLE despite them being hard capped at the first apron.

We could then swap Ellis for MarJon or another similarly salaried player.

Post-Dec. 15 we'd have more options -- Gary Trent Jr. in particular would have his mins cut even more after this so maybe he'd go.

That'd drop us beneath the 2nd apron which holds value, and we'd open up a roster spot as well.

But I still fear it's too good to be true for Bobby's trade value.

If the deal would require AJ Green I don't think we go there based on how he's been looking.

[raferfenix]

Keegan Murray's in a small group of players I'd seriously consider trading the 1st rd pick for.

I'm real high on Keon Ellis but seems like Murray has a much higher ceiling as a 2-way player with size who (historically at least) can shoot.

Seems like there has been some smoke of the Kings not being sure about him considering the rumors of them pursuing similar players like Kuzma too.

Still doesn't mean our 2031 first + Bobby is enough to get Murray (much less Ellis in addition) though.

Sacramento or another team involved would need to seriously value Bobby I figure.

That's where Golden State comes to mind if we could help the Kings get Kuminga.

Or maybe the Pelicans are involved with Ingram going to the Kings if the cap numbers could be finagled to work.

However I'm not clear how much of an upgrade any of these guys would be especially if they'd have to cash them out long term.

[EasyE31]

The more I think about the Bucks options to upgrade the roster the more I believe moving Middleton is the best option:

1) They are playing well without him right now so it doesn't take away anything from the current group
2) His salary gives you the ability to add a real difference maker
3) We need to replace his salary slot with a younger player that we can extend.

[EasyE31]

Bucks out: Middleton
Bucks in: Cam Johnson, Max Christie

Lakers out: Russell, Vincent, Christie, 2029 1st, 2031 1st
Lakers in: Middleton, Cam Thomas

Nets out: Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas
Nets in: Russell, Vincent, 2 Lakers 1sts

This still leaves the Bucks with their 2031 1st to pair with Bobby or Pat.

[Bernman]

The more I think about the Bucks options to upgrade the roster the more I believe moving Middleton is the best option:

1) They are playing well without him right now so it doesn't take away anything from the current group
2) His salary gives you the ability to add a real difference maker
3) We need to replace his salary slot with a younger player that we can extend.

Giannis & Lillard together have a +2.5 net rating this season & it was worse the last. That's not even close to a championship contender.

But w/ Khris they had a +17.5 net rating, which would make them a championship favorite. He's needed to compete on the highest levels.

Furthermore, having 3 stars instead of 2 means you have more margin for error when it comes to injuries during the playoffs. Last yr it wasn't even enough, & Khris was the most healthy of the 3.

Khris also doesn't have trade value right now to get a difference maker back. Dame does. So if this is your interest, the play would be to trade him, during this season or after, before his value bottoms out.

[-Jragon-]

The more I think about the Bucks options to upgrade the roster the more I believe moving Middleton is the best option:

1) They are playing well without him right now so it doesn't take away anything from the current group
2) His salary gives you the ability to add a real difference maker
3) We need to replace his salary slot with a younger player that we can extend.

Giannis & Lillard together have a +2.5 net rating this season & it was worse the last. That's not even close to a championship contender.

But w/ Khris they had a +17.5 net rating, which would make them a championship favorite. He's needed to compete on the highest levels.

Furthermore, having 3 stars instead of 2 means you have more margin for error when it comes to injuries during the playoffs. Last yr it wasn't even enough, & Khris was the most healthy of the 3.

Khris also doesn't have trade value right now to get a difference maker back. Dame does. So if this is your interest, the play would be to trade him, during this season or after, before his value bottoms out.

Makes zero sense. You need 3 stars because 2 isn't enough..so trade 1 of them. What?

[DingleJerry]

The more I think about the Bucks options to upgrade the roster the more I believe moving Middleton is the best option:

1) They are playing well without him right now so it doesn't take away anything from the current group
2) His salary gives you the ability to add a real difference maker
3) We need to replace his salary slot with a younger player that we can extend.

Giannis & Lillard together have a +2.5 net rating this season & it was worse the last. That's not even close to a championship contender.

But w/ Khris they had a +17.5 net rating, which would make them a championship favorite. He's needed to compete on the highest levels.

Furthermore, having 3 stars instead of 2 means you have more margin for error when it comes to injuries during the playoffs. Last yr it wasn't even enough, & Khris was the most healthy of the 3.

Khris also doesn't have trade value right now to get a difference maker back. Dame does. So if this is your interest, the play would be to trade him, during this season or after, before his value bottoms out.

Makes zero sense. You need 3 stars because 2 isn't enough..so trade 1 of them. What?

Well the idea is that you'd be getting a good player back. That person would actually play in basketball games whereas our current 3rd star does not. Is that person a "star", who knows what you could get. But say you got Grant back from Por so they can clear salary or something like that. But yea, its a tough needle to thread on a trade since KMs value is trash right now. ETA: unless you were responding to the trading Dame reply. I was referring to the original idea

[Turk Nowitzki]

I'd love Keegan Murray but it feels like if the Kings truly made him available it would be to try for something more than just Bobby and a distant 1st.