GT: Magic vs Knicks 12/3 Tue 7:30PM TNT

[MrDollarBills]

And good off-the-ball movement. No stagnation.

I was thinking off ball actions/screens and cuts will help. Stagnating into iso ball plays into their hands.

Also, pushing off of every defensive rebound.

This team definitely needs to push the pace especially against good defenses.

But to consistently push the pace Thibs needs to use the bench to spread around all that energy usage.

Gee that would be nice. Especially when there are fresh young legs that can contribute on the bench

[MrDollarBills]

The Wagner Bros.:
“I’m Franz.”
“And I’m Hans.”
“We’re here to pump Fuqq you up!”

Those Wagner boys are no joke

They really aren’t but at least they’re still somewhat inconsistent.

Moritz yeah I agree. Franz is a beast though offensively

[vincccent]

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Getting better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is called the Jericho-effect.

[MrDollarBills]

Another element to support the pertinence of advanced impact metrics.

The Magic are rolling without their "star" player Paolo Banchero. How could that happen if Banchero's their best player, which is the conventional wisdom? You would expect them to take a step back without him, right?

Well, EPM suggests that Banchero only had a moderate impact on winning last year (+0.2 EPM), while Franz Wagner was by far their most impactful player (+3.2 EPM).

Banchero made the All-Star team based on his big numbers, but those numbers resulted from a high usage more than anything else. In reality, Paolo didn't have much of an impact on their run to the playoffs. Which makes sense if you think about it - he's a talented but fairly inefficient volume scorer and an average defender.

Orlando's run to the playoffs last year was predominantly driven by their defense and - if any single individual player deserves to be mentioned - by Franz's all-around play. Which explains why they are being successful this season without Banchero. He's a big talent who raises their ceiling, but he's not the driving force behind their success. Meanwhile, Wagner's EPM has risen to +5.5 this season.

I think those metrics are interesting because they allow you to see trends emerge before they become common knowledge and to challenge preconceptions built on expectations and subjective eye test. When the collective assumption was that the Nuggets could never win a championship with Jokic because he was a "bad defender", the same metric(s) suggested that Jokic actually had a positive impact on defense, despite not being a rim protector. A few months later, the Nuggets won the championship, with their defense holding up against the likes of KD, LeBron, AD and Jimmy.

Excellent breakdown Chanel. Love posts like this.

Yeah OG is gonna have to lock in on Franz. Dude has been quietly the best player for the Magic for awhile now but Paolo gets all the hype.

Their future outlook is scary to be honest. Having two forwards like Banchero and Wagner is a GMs wet dream. If it doesn't work, you can shop one and get a sweet haul.

[MrDollarBills]

Also while it's on my mind: I was wrong about Jericho Sims. I didn't think his defense would be this solid.

I wanna see him and KAT share some minutes but I doubt Thibs does it. It would be a shame to have Sims out of the rotation once Mitch and Precious return.

[HEZI]

Should be a good game. Let’s see if they figured out how to score against a good defense

[3toheadmelo]

Another element to support the pertinence of advanced impact metrics.

The Magic are rolling without their "star" player Paolo Banchero. How could that happen if Banchero's their best player, which is the conventional wisdom? You would expect them to take a step back without him, right?

Well, EPM suggests that Banchero only had a moderate impact on winning last year (+0.2 EPM), while Franz Wagner was by far their most impactful player (+3.2 EPM).

Banchero made the All-Star team based on his big numbers, but those numbers resulted from a high usage more than anything else. In reality, Paolo didn't have much of an impact on their run to the playoffs. Which makes sense if you think about it - he's a talented but fairly inefficient volume scorer and an average defender.

Orlando's run to the playoffs last year was predominantly driven by their defense and - if any single individual player deserves to be mentioned - by Franz's all-around play. Which explains why they are being successful this season without Banchero. He's a big talent who raises their ceiling, but he's not the driving force behind their success. Meanwhile, Wagner's EPM has risen to +5.5 this season.

I think those metrics are interesting because they allow you to see trends emerge before they become common knowledge and to challenge preconceptions built on expectations and subjective eye test. When the collective assumption was that the Nuggets could never win a championship with Jokic because he was a "bad defender", the same metric(s) suggested that Jokic actually had a positive impact on defense, despite not being a rim protector. A few months later, the Nuggets won the championship, with their defense holding up against the likes of KD, LeBron, AD and Jimmy.

Using a stat that says Jokic is a good defender to tear down a 22 year old star terrible person here folks!

[aggo]

today we might see Kat-sims lineup

[TheGreenArrow]

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[TKKnicks1]

ESPN and Vegas have given us the nod which is interesting considering how well the Magic have been playing.

[Chanel Bomber]

Another element to support the pertinence of advanced impact metrics.

The Magic are rolling without their "star" player Paolo Banchero. How could that happen if Banchero's their best player, which is the conventional wisdom? You would expect them to take a step back without him, right?

Well, EPM suggests that Banchero only had a moderate impact on winning last year (+0.2 EPM), while Franz Wagner was by far their most impactful player (+3.2 EPM).

Banchero made the All-Star team based on his big numbers, but those numbers resulted from a high usage more than anything else. In reality, Paolo didn't have much of an impact on their run to the playoffs. Which makes sense if you think about it - he's a talented but fairly inefficient volume scorer and an average defender.

Orlando's run to the playoffs last year was predominantly driven by their defense and - if any single individual player deserves to be mentioned - by Franz's all-around play. Which explains why they are being successful this season without Banchero. He's a big talent who raises their ceiling, but he's not the driving force behind their success. Meanwhile, Wagner's EPM has risen to +5.5 this season.

I think those metrics are interesting because they allow you to see trends emerge before they become common knowledge and to challenge preconceptions built on expectations and subjective eye test. When the collective assumption was that the Nuggets could never win a championship with Jokic because he was a "bad defender", the same metric(s) suggested that Jokic actually had a positive impact on defense, despite not being a rim protector. A few months later, the Nuggets won the championship, with their defense holding up against the likes of KD, LeBron, AD and Jimmy.

Eh. Franz missed a lot of time last season and they didn’t skip a beat even with him coming back at less than 100%. That team is just really deep and full of length/toughness.

He played 72 games last season and 7 games in the playoffs. He was diminished for a chunk of the season, but he played for most of it.

But as I said their defense was a bigger driver for their success than Banchero, and Franz had a more significant impact on winning than Paolo.

[Chanel Bomber]

Another element to support the pertinence of advanced impact metrics.

The Magic are rolling without their "star" player Paolo Banchero. How could that happen if Banchero's their best player, which is the conventional wisdom? You would expect them to take a step back without him, right?

Well, EPM suggests that Banchero only had a moderate impact on winning last year (+0.2 EPM), while Franz Wagner was by far their most impactful player (+3.2 EPM).

Banchero made the All-Star team based on his big numbers, but those numbers resulted from a high usage more than anything else. In reality, Paolo didn't have much of an impact on their run to the playoffs. Which makes sense if you think about it - he's a talented but fairly inefficient volume scorer and an average defender.

Orlando's run to the playoffs last year was predominantly driven by their defense and - if any single individual player deserves to be mentioned - by Franz's all-around play. Which explains why they are being successful this season without Banchero. He's a big talent who raises their ceiling, but he's not the driving force behind their success. Meanwhile, Wagner's EPM has risen to +5.5 this season.

I think those metrics are interesting because they allow you to see trends emerge before they become common knowledge and to challenge preconceptions built on expectations and subjective eye test. When the collective assumption was that the Nuggets could never win a championship with Jokic because he was a "bad defender", the same metric(s) suggested that Jokic actually had a positive impact on defense, despite not being a rim protector. A few months later, the Nuggets won the championship, with their defense holding up against the likes of KD, LeBron, AD and Jimmy.

Using a stat that says Jokic is a good defender to tear down a 22 year old star terrible person here folks!

Spoiler:

I still like Paolo though

[aggo]

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this is one of the things I think thibs has gotten right


we are speed running through development and trial and error. forcing kat at 5 while our defense is bottom 10 seems like a mistake but we are downloading so much information that is important for later on.

because im not convinced we are going to end the year with kat at 5. but knowing exact facts about the teams' limitations with him at 5 is very important long term (e.g. NEXT YEAR's roster/strategies).

[3toheadmelo]

Another element to support the pertinence of advanced impact metrics.

The Magic are rolling without their "star" player Paolo Banchero. How could that happen if Banchero's their best player, which is the conventional wisdom? You would expect them to take a step back without him, right?

Well, EPM suggests that Banchero only had a moderate impact on winning last year (+0.2 EPM), while Franz Wagner was by far their most impactful player (+3.2 EPM).

Banchero made the All-Star team based on his big numbers, but those numbers resulted from a high usage more than anything else. In reality, Paolo didn't have much of an impact on their run to the playoffs. Which makes sense if you think about it - he's a talented but fairly inefficient volume scorer and an average defender.

Orlando's run to the playoffs last year was predominantly driven by their defense and - if any single individual player deserves to be mentioned - by Franz's all-around play. Which explains why they are being successful this season without Banchero. He's a big talent who raises their ceiling, but he's not the driving force behind their success. Meanwhile, Wagner's EPM has risen to +5.5 this season.

I think those metrics are interesting because they allow you to see trends emerge before they become common knowledge and to challenge preconceptions built on expectations and subjective eye test. When the collective assumption was that the Nuggets could never win a championship with Jokic because he was a "bad defender", the same metric(s) suggested that Jokic actually had a positive impact on defense, despite not being a rim protector. A few months later, the Nuggets won the championship, with their defense holding up against the likes of KD, LeBron, AD and Jimmy.

This is why youre one of the best. I appreciate when you use nerd talk to disparage players that meLo likes.

Rooting for Kirkland brand Melo when he isn't even better than the guy who looks like a teen movie villain. Sad times for meLo.

Your boy Wagner shot 40% FG and 26% from 3 in the playoffs while Banchero averaged 27/8/4 on 45/40/75 splits as a 21 year old in his first playoffs ever. Guan0 always tearing down the youth to stan old guys like Pat bev and drummond

[3toheadmelo]

If Guan0 was smart and wanted to make fun of me he should be using that I was wrong about Wagner pre draft. instead he's tearing down a very good player in banchero to try and get at me. a true villain.

[aggo]

Mikal for Banchero

[Magic-man4609]

Ahhh yes. We have finally pulled up to MSG. It was nice sightseeing the boroughs this past weekend, but tonight we clock in, hammer out and stand on business….Knicks, your offense cannot touch our defense.

[HEZI]

Ahhh yes. We have finally pulled up to MSG. It was nice sightseeing the boroughs this past weekend, but tonight we clock in, hammer out and stand on business….Knicks, your offense cannot touch our defense.

I think it’s a good test for both teams. You guys have been beating up on some weak teams like Nets, Hornets and Pistons. Same for us. Tonight is a good test for your defense and a good test for our offense. Should be a good game

[Fury]

Banchero for Wagner

[Fury]

Ahhh yes. We have finally pulled up to MSG. It was nice sightseeing the boroughs this past weekend, but tonight we clock in, hammer out and stand on business….Knicks, your offense cannot touch our defense.

This is what's gonna happen to your defense tonight