2024 49ers Season

arich35 · Post #561 » by **arich35** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 5:57 pm

Lions also had years of top of the half draft picks including multiple 1st round picks in some drafts. A lot easier to hit on draft picks when you are getting some of the top guys in the draft. Lions have had 2 good years, why are people acting like they are the gold standard? Everything we have done over the last 5+ years gone out the window?

Pattersonca65 · Post #562 » by **Pattersonca65** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 6:35 pm

arich35 wrote:Lions also had years of top of the half draft picks including multiple 1st round picks in some drafts. A lot easier to hit on draft picks when you are getting some of the top guys in the draft. Lions have had 2 good years, why are people acting like they are the gold standard? Everything we have done over the last 5+ years gone out the window?

Unfortunately the 49ers have squandered some higher round picks. They have drafted better in later rounds. And the Trey Lance debacle still stings. There was alot of potential talent that was traded away to acquire him.

wco81 · Post #563 » by **wco81** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 7:17 pm

Jikkle wrote:
wco81 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Wouldn't the hope in signing a guy like Johnson be that he could turn into Shanahan? I wouldn't make that move at this point. I have some pretty significant questions about Shanahan - when we aren't dominant, we've been really bad; and even when dominant, we haven't sealed the deal - but it's pretty tough to find an upgrade.

Rex Ryan said Johnson will be the next Bill Walsh.

We'll see, but I rather see a younger, more hungry up and coming coach.

We've pretty much seen the best of Shanahan and it isn't good enough.

My only concern with Johnson is he reportedly didn't interview well with the Seahawks or Commanders last year.

There may be nothing to it but the NFL graveyard of head coaches is full of guys who were great coordinators not great head coaches.

Johnson is likely to go to the Bears, though it would be tough to go to an old traditional rival of the franchise that raised your stock.

But obviously he's got a very talented prospect in Caleb Williams, some weapons.

wco81 · Post #564 » by **wco81** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 7:23 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
arich35 wrote:Lions also had years of top of the half draft picks including multiple 1st round picks in some drafts. A lot easier to hit on draft picks when you are getting some of the top guys in the draft. Lions have had 2 good years, why are people acting like they are the gold standard? Everything we have done over the last 5+ years gone out the window?

Unfortunately the 49ers have squandered some higher round picks. They have drafted better in later rounds. And the Trey Lance debacle still stings. There was alot of potential talent that was traded away to acquire him.

Yeah it's not such a slam dunk. All we have to say is Solomon Thomas. I think Mitch Trubitsky was also #2 in the draft, also Zach Wilson.

49ers didn't have great luck with McGlinchey at #9 or Kinlaw at #14 in the 2020 draft, ahead of Cee Dee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Patrick Queen, Jonathan Taylor, Jaylon Johnson, Jaylon Hurts.

Or the one that hurts most, Madubuike selected #71 by the Ravens.

wco81 · Post #565 » by **wco81** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 7:25 pm

OK, Maiocco talks about overreactions to the current 49ers form.

He says Shanahan wanted to hire Ulbrich as DC after last season.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/overreactions-kyle-shanahan-super-bowl-brock-purdy/1809534/?partner=sailthru

Also believes Purdy will get about 4 years $50 million per.

CrimsonCrew · Post #566 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 7:29 pm

wco81 wrote:OK, Maiocco talks about overreactions to the current 49ers form.

He says Shanahan wanted to hire Ulbrich as DC after last season.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/overreactions-kyle-shanahan-super-bowl-brock-purdy/1809534/?partner=sailthru

Also believes Purdy will get about 4 years $50 million per.

I would definitely be down to bring in Ulbrich this offseason. He's high on my list of potential DCs. And given that the Jets aren't doing great right now, he probably wouldn't resurface as a HC candidate in the near future.

CrimsonCrew · Post #567 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 8:32 pm

To the last point, the handling of Pearsall is bizarre. He is getting open, but they are not throwing him the ball. Now, it doesn't help that the one time they did throw to him this week, he slipped and fell. But that doesn't mean you just go away from him. Against TB, he saw six targets and was great with them. Since that game, he has three targets. That's a 4% target share. I put that on coaching and playcalling more than anything Pearsall is doing. I've seen him open repeatedly.

zman1 · Post #568 » by **zman1** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 10:05 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:To the last point, the handling of Pearsall is bizarre. He is getting open, but they are not throwing him the ball. Now, it doesn't help that the one time they did throw to him this week, he slipped and fell. But that doesn't mean you just go away from him. Against TB, he saw six targets and was great with them. Since that game, he has three targets. That's a 4% target share. I put that on coaching and playcalling more than anything Pearsall is doing. I've seen him open repeatedly.

That is weird and I have wondered why he is disappeared. Also, he had a great jet sweep that has not been repeated. Cowing caught a 40 yard pass and I don't believe he has been targeted since. Come on Kyle, use your talented youngsters.

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CrimsonCrew · Post #569 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 11:04 pm

zman1 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:To the last point, the handling of Pearsall is bizarre. He is getting open, but they are not throwing him the ball. Now, it doesn't help that the one time they did throw to him this week, he slipped and fell. But that doesn't mean you just go away from him. Against TB, he saw six targets and was great with them. Since that game, he has three targets. That's a 4% target share. I put that on coaching and playcalling more than anything Pearsall is doing. I've seen him open repeatedly.
That is weird and I have wondered why he is disappeared. Also, he had a great jet sweep that has not been repeated. Cowing caught a 40 yard pass and I don't believe he has been targeted since. Come on Kyle, use your talented youngsters.

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Jennings is a beast, but he's basically a glorified possession receiver. Deebo at this point isn't much of a receiver at all. We've got to use the young guys more to open things up.

Hard do say how much is Shanahan calling plays or Purdy not trusting the rookie. It seems like at least some of the time he's been reluctant to throw to Pearsall.

Big J · Post #570 » by **Big J** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 3:36 am

Pearsol looks like a bust to me.

CrimsonCrew · Post #571 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 4:06 am

Big J wrote:Pearsol looks like a bust to me.

That's because you don't really watch games. Dude has been getting open routinely. Why we're not looking his way more is a mystery.

Big J · Post #572 » by **Big J** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 4:08 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:Pearsol looks like a bust to me.

That's because you don't really watch games. Dude has been getting open routinely. Why we're not looking his way more is a mystery.

I do watch games. I also listen to Cohn who watches all the practices. There’s nothing impressive about him considering where he was drafted.
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CrimsonCrew · Post #573 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 6:51 pm

Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:Pearsol looks like a bust to me.

That's because you don't really watch games. Dude has been getting open routinely. Why we're not looking his way more is a mystery.

I do watch games. I also listen to Cohn who watches all the practices. There’s nothing impressive about him considering where he was drafted.
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Baldy (and you) doesn't know he's on the field because they don't throw to him. I have lots of respect for Baldy, and he certainly grinds the tape, but he also grinds tape for a lot of teams with a focus on the lines. I wouldn't expect him to chart Pearsall's routes and have a great sense of whether he's actually getting open.

I was not a fan of the Pearsall pick. I didn't like the position, I thought the player was a reach - though not a huge reach. But it's obvious to see that he has the physical and technical chops to get open in this league. We need to use him more.

Pattersonca65 · Post #574 » by **Pattersonca65** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:32 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
wco81 wrote:OK, Maiocco talks about overreactions to the current 49ers form.

He says Shanahan wanted to hire Ulbrich as DC after last season.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/overreactions-kyle-shanahan-super-bowl-brock-purdy/1809534/?partner=sailthru

Also believes Purdy will get about 4 years $50 million per.

I would definitely be down to bring in Ulbrich this offseason. He's high on my list of potential DCs. And given that the Jets aren't doing great right now, he probably wouldn't resurface as a HC candidate in the near future.

That is important. The revolving door with the DC needs to end. That is the one thing about the Fangios and Spagnolos type coaches that is nice. No one is looking to snap them up as quickly.

CrimsonCrew · Post #575 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:48 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
wco81 wrote:OK, Maiocco talks about overreactions to the current 49ers form.

He says Shanahan wanted to hire Ulbrich as DC after last season.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/overreactions-kyle-shanahan-super-bowl-brock-purdy/1809534/?partner=sailthru

Also believes Purdy will get about 4 years $50 million per.

I would definitely be down to bring in Ulbrich this offseason. He's high on my list of potential DCs. And given that the Jets aren't doing great right now, he probably wouldn't resurface as a HC candidate in the near future.

That is important. The revolving door with the DC needs to end. That is the one thing about the Fangios and Spagnolos type coaches that is nice. No one is looking to snap them up as quickly.

Yeah. I mean, no guarantees if we have the #1 offense in the league next year. But the Jets are flailing right now, so I'd think teams would want to see him succeed at DC for a couple more years before trying HC again.

Though I thought the same thing when we brought in Norv Turner all those years ago, and he got another HC gig the next year.

Pattersonca65 · Post #576 » by **Pattersonca65** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:11 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
I would definitely be down to bring in Ulbrich this offseason. He's high on my list of potential DCs. And given that the Jets aren't doing great right now, he probably wouldn't resurface as a HC candidate in the near future.

That is important. The revolving door with the DC needs to end. That is the one thing about the Fangios and Spagnolos type coaches that is nice. No one is looking to snap them up as quickly.

Yeah. I mean, no guarantees if we have the #1 offense in the league next year. But the Jets are flailing right now, so I'd think teams would want to see him succeed at DC for a couple more years before trying HC again.

Though I thought the same thing when we brought in Norv Turner all those years ago, and he got another HC gig the next year.

How long has Spagnolo been with KC as DC? Three years? We lose a guy after one year. Saleh was longer but only because he was here through the rebuild period. They don't repeat last year without that defense.

clyde21 · Post #577 » by **clyde21** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 1:16 am

aren't we on our 4th DC in 4 years? the brain drain is real.

Pattersonca65 · Post #578 » by **Pattersonca65** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:50 am

clyde21 wrote:aren't we on our 4th DC in 4 years? the brain drain is real.

I think so
Saleh
Ryans
Wilks
Sorenson

Although Wilks was fired. That one is on Shanahan

Pattersonca65 · Post #579 » by **Pattersonca65** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 4:04 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Big J wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
That's because you don't really watch games. Dude has been getting open routinely. Why we're not looking his way more is a mystery.

I do watch games. I also listen to Cohn who watches all the practices. There’s nothing impressive about him considering where he was drafted.
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Baldy (and you) doesn't know he's on the field because they don't throw to him. I have lots of respect for Baldy, and he certainly grinds the tape, but he also grinds tape for a lot of teams with a focus on the lines. I wouldn't expect him to chart Pearsall's routes and have a great sense of whether he's actually getting open.

I was not a fan of the Pearsall pick. I didn't like the position, I thought the player was a reach - though not a huge reach. But it's obvious to see that he has the physical and technical chops to get open in this league. We need to use him more.

If Cohn doesnt like Pearsall i feel much better about Pearsall

Jikkle · Post #580 » by **Jikkle** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 10:32 am

wco81 wrote:OK, Maiocco talks about overreactions to the current 49ers form.

He says Shanahan wanted to hire Ulbrich as DC after last season.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/overreactions-kyle-shanahan-super-bowl-brock-purdy/1809534/?partner=sailthru

Also believes Purdy will get about 4 years $50 million per.

I'd be surprised if Ulbrich isn't DC next season.

It's not the move I'd make because I want to move on from this scheme but he'd be much better than Sorenson and Shanahan has no issues dropping a coach if one he really wants becomes available. It was obvious he wanted Ulbrich last season and Sorenson got the job because there really wasn't another option because Shanahan wanted a guy to run the defense like it was ran with Saleh and Ryans and Sorenson is doing exactly that to a fault.

I'll be fair to Sorenson and say the woes on defense aren't all his fault. The DTs we have aren't great for the Wide 9, Campbell is definitely not Greenlaw, and we have 3 SS and not one FS with Brown just playing lost out there.

But where I'm critical of Sorenson and say he has to go is the fundamentals on defense have been a mess and more importantly he's basically made no adjustments so far this season. At least Ryans and Wilks adjusted to what they had on defense about mid season in their first year.

Sorenson hasn't adjusted and he keeps doing the same things that didn't work early in the year with a healthier defense now with a worse more injured defense and what a surprise out defense looks awful.

We're still just as awful on 3rd downs at the beginning of the year till today and we do virtually the same exact thing everytime. Straight rush 4 guys and drop 7 into coverage and have them tackle the guy after he catches the ball beyond the sticks. All an offense has to do is motion into a bunch formation and it's checkmate for our defense because someone is going to lose their guy and that guy is going to get open for a 1st down. It's just amazing that we drop 7 into coverage and QBs still have no problems finding a guy open almost all the time. Drop 7 against our offense and Purdy has to pat the ball, scramble out of the pocket, and usually scramble for yardage.

The other area I'm on Sorenson and I've pounded the table almost this entire season but why is Campbell on the field in obvious passing situations? What benefit does having Campbell on the field over a DB bring? It's like because we've always had two LBs on the field well that's just what we're going to keep doing because that's just how it's always been done.