Official RJ Barrett Thread

[Scase]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Are you actually trying to say that RJ and Jdub are similarly skilled players?

First of all Jdub is a year younger. So that's strike 1.
Second you cherry picked a 32 game sample size vs an entire season of 71 games. Strike 2.
Third acting like they are in the same stratosphere on defence is beyond laughable. Strike 3 champ, you're out.

Jdub is in his 3rd year, all his TS% those years, 60.1%, 62.1%, 59.4%. He has improved in every single aspect of his game every year. He's putting up 21.5/6/5/2.1/1 on 50/39/80 splits for a cool 59.4% TS%. All while on a 4mil/yr contract lol.

Oh yeah, and he's doing it on a team with the 3rd best record in the NBA, not a bottom dweller. Not a single GM in the entire NBA would take RJ over Jdub.

This is beyond a homer take, there is still time to repent.

[DreamTeam09]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Are you actually trying to say that RJ and Jdub are similarly skilled players?

First of all Jdub is a year younger. So that's strike 1.
Second you cherry picked a 32 game sample size vs an entire season of 71 games. Strike 2.
Third acting like they are in the same stratosphere on defence is beyond laughable. Strike 3 champ, you're out.

Jdub is in his 3rd year, all his TS% those years, 60.1%, 62.1%, 59.4%. He has improved in every single aspect of his game every year. He's putting up 21.5/6/5/2.1/1 on 50/39/80 splits for a cool 59.4% TS%. All while on a 4mil/yr contract lol.

Oh yeah, and he's doing it on a team with the 3rd best record in the NBA, not a bottom dweller. Not a single GM in the entire NBA would take RJ over Jdub.

This is beyond a homer take, there is still time to repent.

You did a lot of inference on your own there.
Tbh I just saw a post/picture on IG that had those same stats and shared it here.

Posters did mention that was RJs last yr stats.

Jdub is the better defender

Do I think said players are miles apart like you're sentiments, no, no I don't think the players are miles apart.

Do I think most GMs will take Jdub over RJ, yes I do.
Do I think if RJ was with OKC he'd also look a lot better

Again, acting like Jdub is the next great hope while RJ is lucky to be in the NBA like the sentiments you often see around here, well I think that's just as outlandish as you thought my post was about being a homer.

[Scase]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Are you actually trying to say that RJ and Jdub are similarly skilled players?

First of all Jdub is a year younger. So that's strike 1.
Second you cherry picked a 32 game sample size vs an entire season of 71 games. Strike 2.
Third acting like they are in the same stratosphere on defence is beyond laughable. Strike 3 champ, you're out.

Jdub is in his 3rd year, all his TS% those years, 60.1%, 62.1%, 59.4%. He has improved in every single aspect of his game every year. He's putting up 21.5/6/5/2.1/1 on 50/39/80 splits for a cool 59.4% TS%. All while on a 4mil/yr contract lol.

Oh yeah, and he's doing it on a team with the 3rd best record in the NBA, not a bottom dweller. Not a single GM in the entire NBA would take RJ over Jdub.

This is beyond a homer take, there is still time to repent.

You did a lot of inference on your own there.
Tbh I just saw a post/picture on IG that had those same stats and shared it here.

Posters did mention that was RJs last yr stats.

Jdub is the better defender

Do I think said players are miles apart like you're sentiments, no, no I don't think the players are miles apart.

Do I think most GMs will take Jdub over RJ, yes I do.
Do I think if RJ was with OKC he'd also look a lot better

Again, acting like Jdub is the next great hope while RJ is lucky to be in the NBA like the sentiments you often see around here, well I think that's just as outlandish as you thought my post was about being a homer.

I don't need to make inferences when I read a comment like this one

Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players

Yes they are two completely different players, one is substantially better than the other.

Basic counting stats are meaningless without context, 30 games vs 70, ignores defence entirely, etc., and maybe RJ is better on OKC than here, but OKC would be worse with RJ.

And no one is acting like Jdub is the next great hope, same way no one is saying RJ is lucky to be in the NBA. You're inventing boogie men to get outraged by.

Pure homer take.

[DreamTeam09]

Are you actually trying to say that RJ and Jdub are similarly skilled players?

First of all Jdub is a year younger. So that's strike 1.
Second you cherry picked a 32 game sample size vs an entire season of 71 games. Strike 2.
Third acting like they are in the same stratosphere on defence is beyond laughable. Strike 3 champ, you're out.

Jdub is in his 3rd year, all his TS% those years, 60.1%, 62.1%, 59.4%. He has improved in every single aspect of his game every year. He's putting up 21.5/6/5/2.1/1 on 50/39/80 splits for a cool 59.4% TS%. All while on a 4mil/yr contract lol.

Oh yeah, and he's doing it on a team with the 3rd best record in the NBA, not a bottom dweller. Not a single GM in the entire NBA would take RJ over Jdub.

This is beyond a homer take, there is still time to repent.

You did a lot of inference on your own there.
Tbh I just saw a post/picture on IG that had those same stats and shared it here.

Posters did mention that was RJs last yr stats.

Jdub is the better defender

Do I think said players are miles apart like you're sentiments, no, no I don't think the players are miles apart.

Do I think most GMs will take Jdub over RJ, yes I do.
Do I think if RJ was with OKC he'd also look a lot better

Again, acting like Jdub is the next great hope while RJ is lucky to be in the NBA like the sentiments you often see around here, well I think that's just as outlandish as you thought my post was about being a homer.

I don't need to make inferences when I read a comment like this one

Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players

Yes they are two completely different players, one is substantially better than the other.

Basic counting stats are meaningless without context, 30 games vs 70, ignores defence entirely, etc., and maybe RJ is better on OKC than here, but OKC would be worse with RJ.

And no one is acting like Jdub is the next great hope, same way no one is saying RJ is lucky to be in the NBA. You're inventing boogie men to get outraged by.

Pure homer take.

What is the homer take? That I don't think they're miles apart, am I allowed to feel differently than you lol? I never once said RJ is better Jdub

But ok

[Raps in 4]

You did a lot of inference on your own there.
Tbh I just saw a post/picture on IG that had those same stats and shared it here.

Posters did mention that was RJs last yr stats.

Jdub is the better defender

Do I think said players are miles apart like you're sentiments, no, no I don't think the players are miles apart.

Do I think most GMs will take Jdub over RJ, yes I do.
Do I think if RJ was with OKC he'd also look a lot better

Again, acting like Jdub is the next great hope while RJ is lucky to be in the NBA like the sentiments you often see around here, well I think that's just as outlandish as you thought my post was about being a homer.

I don't need to make inferences when I read a comment like this one

Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players

Yes they are two completely different players, one is substantially better than the other.

Basic counting stats are meaningless without context, 30 games vs 70, ignores defence entirely, etc., and maybe RJ is better on OKC than here, but OKC would be worse with RJ.

And no one is acting like Jdub is the next great hope, same way no one is saying RJ is lucky to be in the NBA. You're inventing boogie men to get outraged by.

Pure homer take.

What is the homer take? That I don't think they're miles apart, am I allowed to feel differently than you lol? I never once said RJ is better Jdub

But ok

RJ has struggled to reach league-average efficiency his entire career. Williams has been an efficient scorer his entire career, and he's a positive defender.

JDub is sitting at a +3.7 EPM this season. RJ is at -0.4. RJ has been a negative impact/league average impact player his entire career because he doesn't play defence and can't score efficiently. There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

[Vampirate]

You did a lot of inference on your own there.
Tbh I just saw a post/picture on IG that had those same stats and shared it here.

Posters did mention that was RJs last yr stats.

Jdub is the better defender

Do I think said players are miles apart like you're sentiments, no, no I don't think the players are miles apart.

Do I think most GMs will take Jdub over RJ, yes I do.
Do I think if RJ was with OKC he'd also look a lot better

Again, acting like Jdub is the next great hope while RJ is lucky to be in the NBA like the sentiments you often see around here, well I think that's just as outlandish as you thought my post was about being a homer.

I don't need to make inferences when I read a comment like this one

Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players

Yes they are two completely different players, one is substantially better than the other.

Basic counting stats are meaningless without context, 30 games vs 70, ignores defence entirely, etc., and maybe RJ is better on OKC than here, but OKC would be worse with RJ.

And no one is acting like Jdub is the next great hope, same way no one is saying RJ is lucky to be in the NBA. You're inventing boogie men to get outraged by.

Pure homer take.

What is the homer take? That I don't think they're miles apart, am I allowed to feel differently than you lol? I never once said RJ is better Jdub

But ok

They really aren't close.

[Scase]

You did a lot of inference on your own there.
Tbh I just saw a post/picture on IG that had those same stats and shared it here.

Posters did mention that was RJs last yr stats.

Jdub is the better defender

Do I think said players are miles apart like you're sentiments, no, no I don't think the players are miles apart.

Do I think most GMs will take Jdub over RJ, yes I do.
Do I think if RJ was with OKC he'd also look a lot better

Again, acting like Jdub is the next great hope while RJ is lucky to be in the NBA like the sentiments you often see around here, well I think that's just as outlandish as you thought my post was about being a homer.

I don't need to make inferences when I read a comment like this one

Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players

Yes they are two completely different players, one is substantially better than the other.

Basic counting stats are meaningless without context, 30 games vs 70, ignores defence entirely, etc., and maybe RJ is better on OKC than here, but OKC would be worse with RJ.

And no one is acting like Jdub is the next great hope, same way no one is saying RJ is lucky to be in the NBA. You're inventing boogie men to get outraged by.

Pure homer take.

What is the homer take? That I don't think they're miles apart, am I allowed to feel differently than you lol? I never once said RJ is better Jdub

But ok

You thinking they aren't far apart is the homer take, yes. You can feel however you want, no one is trying to take that away from you, but just cause feel a specific way, doesn't mean it meshes with reality.

Jdub is so wildly better than RJ in virtually every measurable metric that no reasonable take would suggest they are similar players from an impact, or really any, perspective.

[Scizzup]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Jalen is much better than RJ. One is an all star impact player approaching top 15 player. The other is not a top 40 player. And I am someone that has liked Rj improvement as a Raptor.

There is nothing on offense Rj does better or equal, and Jalen is actually a very good defender (super elite this year). If Jalen had his own team this would be obvious just like it is looking for Franz right now. Only reason its not obvious for some with JDUB is that he doesn't have same usage playing in OKC. He is a stud.

jalen vs Scottie is a close comp and I think he has been better, I also think most GM's would prefer him over Barnes just due to his skillset.

ESPN just did their recent top 25 under 25. I would have it Franz=Jalen, Barnes, Sengun if I were to rank those 4 though.

4. Franz
9. JDUB
10. Sengun
11 Barnes

[RoteSchroder]

You thinking they aren't far apart is the homer take, yes. You can feel however you want, no one is trying to take that away from you, but just cause feel a specific way, doesn't mean it meshes with reality.

Jdub is so wildly better than RJ in virtually every measurable metric that no reasonable take would suggest they are similar players from an impact, or really any, perspective.

As someone who hasn't been paying attention and is not familiar with Jdub, how is his on-ball ability and handles? I thought he was just an elite role player, but the dude is averaging 5+ assists/game

[Shwaguy]

The efficiency continues to be great when playing with Scottie, less boneheaded mistakes too.

Please be real RJ, and please learn to defend a bit better.

[Indeed]

You thinking they aren't far apart is the homer take, yes. You can feel however you want, no one is trying to take that away from you, but just cause feel a specific way, doesn't mean it meshes with reality.

Jdub is so wildly better than RJ in virtually every measurable metric that no reasonable take would suggest they are similar players from an impact, or really any, perspective.

As someone who hasn't been paying attention and is not familiar with Jdub, how is his on-ball ability and handles? I thought he was just an elite role player, but the dude is averaging 5+ assists/game

He is pretty good without SGA and capable of being the first option (based on the video below).

Watch on YouTube

[Scizzup]

You thinking they aren't far apart is the homer take, yes. You can feel however you want, no one is trying to take that away from you, but just cause feel a specific way, doesn't mean it meshes with reality.

Jdub is so wildly better than RJ in virtually every measurable metric that no reasonable take would suggest they are similar players from an impact, or really any, perspective.

As someone who hasn't been paying attention and is not familiar with Jdub, how is his on-ball ability and handles? I thought he was just an elite role player, but the dude is averaging 5+ assists/game

He is a very good ball handler, long arms/low dribble rarely turns it over (similar to SGA/Tmac). he is a good pnr player so he is going to rack up assist with how the game is played in 2024 (same as Franz rn). He is not as good of a passer as Barnes but he is a better ball handler. He is a 3 level scorer that defends.

Some of his weakness is he doesn't get to the freethrow line much and he still doesn't know how to attack when teams are playing boxes & elbows behind him on defense. He has to improve on those but he has been a borderline top 20 player in league so far this season.

[lolwut]

Barrett's nickname should really be "Home Court Advantage".

[raptorforlife88]

Just such a different player when he gets to play with someone better than him. You take away all the things he does poorly and just have him do the one thing he does great (turn the corner and get downhill with full force) over and over and over again. Take a few catch and shoot threes and there you are.

[bobbyp3588]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Are you actually trying to say that RJ and Jdub are similarly skilled players?

First of all Jdub is a year younger. So that's strike 1.
Second you cherry picked a 32 game sample size vs an entire season of 71 games. Strike 2.
Third acting like they are in the same stratosphere on defence is beyond laughable. Strike 3 champ, you're out.

Jdub is in his 3rd year, all his TS% those years, 60.1%, 62.1%, 59.4%. He has improved in every single aspect of his game every year. He's putting up 21.5/6/5/2.1/1 on 50/39/80 splits for a cool 59.4% TS%. All while on a 4mil/yr contract lol.

Oh yeah, and he's doing it on a team with the 3rd best record in the NBA, not a bottom dweller. Not a single GM in the entire NBA would take RJ over Jdub.

This is beyond a homer take, there is still time to repent.

Blow it out your ass ****.

Take that aggression and shove it up your ass.

Warned.

[PushDaRock]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Jalen is much better than RJ. One is an all star impact player approaching top 15 player. The other is not a top 40 player. And I am someone that has liked Rj improvement as a Raptor.

There is nothing on offense Rj does better or equal, and Jalen is actually a very good defender (super elite this year). If Jalen had his own team this would be obvious just like it is looking for Franz right now. Only reason its not obvious for some with JDUB is that he doesn't have same usage playing in OKC. He is a stud.

jalen vs Scottie is a close comp and I think he has been better, I also think most GM's would prefer him over Barnes just due to his skillset.

ESPN just did their recent top 25 under 25. I would have it Franz=Jalen, Barnes, Sengun if I were to rank those 4 though.

4. Franz
9. JDUB
10. Sengun
11 Barnes

Well, RJ definitely gets to the line better which is Jalen's weakness right now. If Jalen ever starts getting to the line 7 or 8 times a game, he's a borderline superstar.

[DreamTeam09]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Jalen is much better than RJ. One is an all star impact player approaching top 15 player. The other is not a top 40 player. And I am someone that has liked Rj improvement as a Raptor.

There is nothing on offense Rj does better or equal, and Jalen is actually a very good defender (super elite this year). If Jalen had his own team this would be obvious just like it is looking for Franz right now. Only reason its not obvious for some with JDUB is that he doesn't have same usage playing in OKC. He is a stud.

jalen vs Scottie is a close comp and I think he has been better, I also think most GM's would prefer him over Barnes just due to his skillset.

ESPN just did their recent top 25 under 25. I would have it Franz=Jalen, Barnes, Sengun if I were to rank those 4 though.

4. Franz
9. JDUB
10. Sengun
11 Barnes

Well, RJ definitely gets to the line better which is Jalen's weakness right now. If Jalen ever starts getting to the line 7 or 8 times a game, he's a borderline superstar.

I would give the nod to RJ on facilitation as well, definitely equal at worst unlike that poster suggested. Again Jdub better sure, but like I said, some of the phrases banterd about are over the top

[johanliebert]

RJ 21-5-4 on 54%
Jdub 19-4-4 on 54%

Both 23 - Rgm board would have y'all believe these are two completely different players. Heck ppl will say Jdub better than Scottie.

Jalen is much better than RJ. One is an all star impact player approaching top 15 player. The other is not a top 40 player. And I am someone that has liked Rj improvement as a Raptor.

There is nothing on offense Rj does better or equal, and Jalen is actually a very good defender (super elite this year). If Jalen had his own team this would be obvious just like it is looking for Franz right now. Only reason its not obvious for some with JDUB is that he doesn't have same usage playing in OKC. He is a stud.

jalen vs Scottie is a close comp and I think he has been better, I also think most GM's would prefer him over Barnes just due to his skillset.

ESPN just did their recent top 25 under 25. I would have it Franz=Jalen, Barnes, Sengun if I were to rank those 4 though.

4. Franz
9. JDUB
10. Sengun
11 Barnes

In what world is Jalen williams a top 15 players? I cant believe this discourse on a raptor forum. You and scase need to move to okc’s board.

[johanliebert]

Just such a different player when he gets to play with someone better than him. You take away all the things he does poorly and just have him do the one thing he does great (turn the corner and get downhill with full force) over and over and over again. Take a few catch and shoot threes and there you are.

I’m telling some of these posters grind their teeth when giving RJ any praise this poster lead with a barrage of back handed compliments.

I need some of you guys to stop pretending you’re team execs. That would kill half of the preconceived notions and contrived narratives here.

[Tripod]

Sengun is not better than Barnes...lol