Bulls vs Nets 7pm CT Dec. 2nd 2024

[sco]

Hard to take away too much from a game against what has to be the worst rotation any team will put on an NBA floor this year in any game, but the thing that jumped out to me the most was just what an incredible mind Lonzo has for the game of basketball. It’s so sad what his injury deprived everyone from seeing. He’s phenomenally entertaining while playing the right way. You don’t get to see many players like him.

I really enjoyed that short burst of having AC, Ball, Jones and Green flying around the court a few years ago. I honestly think Ball/Caruso could have developed into the best defensive backcourt of all time (yes, that good I think).

Oh well, great to see him back

Sure for the 30 games a year that they both played.

I love watching both Ball and Caruso. Even last night, Ball was so aggressive in a good way. Nice for our young guys to see how 2nd and 3rd efforts work on a play.

[FriedRise]

Hard to take away too much from a game against what has to be the worst rotation any team will put on an NBA floor this year in any game, but the thing that jumped out to me the most was just what an incredible mind Lonzo has for the game of basketball. It’s so sad what his injury deprived everyone from seeing. He’s phenomenally entertaining while playing the right way. You don’t get to see many players like him.

I really enjoyed that short burst of having AC, Ball, Jones and Green flying around the court a few years ago. I honestly think Ball/Caruso could have developed into the best defensive backcourt of all time (yes, that good I think).

Oh well, great to see him back

Sure for the 30 games a year that they both played.

I love watching both Ball and Caruso. Even last night, Ball was so aggressive in a good way. Nice for our young guys to see how 2nd and 3rd efforts work on a play.

Surely I can't be the only one who from time to time pulls up the "Lonzo Ball and Alex Caruso dominate on defense" youtube clip from a few years ago

[DuckIII]

Had to watch the highlight on this game as well due to family outing. Not directly Bulls related but WTF is going on with the new CSN, all the highlights (both their YT channel and NBA's) have highpitched squealing that make it unbearable to watch with sound. Does the broadcast have these noises as well?

There was a high pitched noise off and on during the broadcast last night. Very annoying. Hopefully a one time thing.

[drosestruts]

Had to watch the highlight on this game as well due to family outing. Not directly Bulls related but WTF is going on with the new CSN, all the highlights (both their YT channel and NBA's) have highpitched squealing that make it unbearable to watch with sound. Does the broadcast have these noises as well?

There was a high pitched noise off and on during the broadcast last night. Very annoying. Hopefully a one time thing.

Yeah last night was my first time experiencing issues with the broadcast. That high pitch noise was like a dog whistle for me, couldn't tolerate it. Watched a lot of the game on mute. Missed out on the Stacey and Adam banter, but I just couldn't handle it.

I'd flip over to the Blackhawks games and that was fine, so it seems to have just been something with the Bulls broadcast.

[FriedRise]

Had to watch the highlight on this game as well due to family outing. Not directly Bulls related but WTF is going on with the new CSN, all the highlights (both their YT channel and NBA's) have highpitched squealing that make it unbearable to watch with sound. Does the broadcast have these noises as well?

There was a high pitched noise off and on during the broadcast last night. Very annoying. Hopefully a one time thing.

Yeah last night was my first time experiencing issues with the broadcast. That high pitch noise was like a dog whistle for me, couldn't tolerate it. Watched a lot of the game on mute. Missed out on the Stacey and Adam banter, but I just couldn't handle it.

I'd flip over to the Blackhawks games and that was fine, so it seems to have just been something with the Bulls broadcast.

Yup heard it too. I thought it was my computer or my tinnitus acting up

[GoBlue72391]

Had to watch the highlight on this game as well due to family outing. Not directly Bulls related but WTF is going on with the new CSN, all the highlights (both their YT channel and NBA's) have highpitched squealing that make it unbearable to watch with sound. Does the broadcast have these noises as well?

There was a high pitched noise off and on during the broadcast last night. Very annoying. Hopefully a one time thing.

Are you sure it wasn't Stacey and Adam giggling?

[GoBlue72391]

Remember when people were worried about Matas' shot?

And vuc's 3% will never rebound.

We're way too early in the season to be making any sweeping statements like this. Matas has attempted a grand total of 47 threes. For comparison, LeBron has missed his last 19 straight threes.

Shooting especially is the most unstable stat with small sample sizes.

[Bulliever2020]

Remember when people were worried about Matas' shot?

And vuc's 3% will never rebound.

We're way too early in the season to be making any sweeping statements like this. Matas has attempted a grand total of 47 threes. For comparison, LeBron has missed his last 19 straight threes.

Shooting especially is the most unstable stat with small sample sizes.

No one is saying he is going to shoot 4-5 from 3 or 80% every game for the rest of the year. But it has been clear to me from the very beginning that he has great form on his shot and that it was only going to be a matter of time before he is an average or above average 3 point shooter. He is not going to get there immediately, but he started the season 3-15 or 20%. Since then he is shooting 44% on 14-32. Obviously there are going to be slumps but after a rough start he is sharply trending upward. The concerns that 3 point shooting was going to be a major weakness of his are already proving to be false. Obviously it is early but I am confident he is going to be at the very least a league average 3 point shooter and most likely will end up better than that.

[meekrab]

This schedule continues to be baffling. This game was the 1 home game in 5 nights, only to be followed by a stretch of 3 games in 4 nights.

Blame the stupid ass Adam Silver Memorial Tournament. We'll only have two games between the 8th and 19th.

I think there are currently unscheduled games that pop into that window. IIRC, they won't set those until the tourney games are set.

Of course there are, we currently have 80 games on the schedule and the two remaining yet to be scheduled ones will go in that window.

[GoBlue72391]

And vuc's 3% will never rebound.

We're way too early in the season to be making any sweeping statements like this. Matas has attempted a grand total of 47 threes. For comparison, LeBron has missed his last 19 straight threes.

Shooting especially is the most unstable stat with small sample sizes.

No one is saying he is going to shoot 4-5 from 3 or 80% every game for the rest of the year. But it has been clear to me from the very beginning that he has great form on his shot and that it was only going to be a matter of time before he is an average or above average 3 point shooter. He is not going to get there immediately, but he started the season 3-15 or 20%. Since then he is shooting 44% on 14-32. Obviously there are going to be slumps but after a rough start he is sharply trending upward. The concerns that 3 point shooting was going to be a major weakness of his are already proving to be false. Obviously it is early but I am confident he is going to be at the very least a league average 3 point shooter and most likely will end up better than that.

The progress on his shot has been encouraging so far, but the concern over his jump shot was warranted given his poor shooting percentages in the G League, summer league, and preseason.

It's still warranted, even if the early returns are positive.

[Bulliever2020]

We're way too early in the season to be making any sweeping statements like this. Matas has attempted a grand total of 47 threes. For comparison, LeBron has missed his last 19 straight threes.

Shooting especially is the most unstable stat with small sample sizes.

No one is saying he is going to shoot 4-5 from 3 or 80% every game for the rest of the year. But it has been clear to me from the very beginning that he has great form on his shot and that it was only going to be a matter of time before he is an average or above average 3 point shooter. He is not going to get there immediately, but he started the season 3-15 or 20%. Since then he is shooting 44% on 14-32. Obviously there are going to be slumps but after a rough start he is sharply trending upward. The concerns that 3 point shooting was going to be a major weakness of his are already proving to be false. Obviously it is early but I am confident he is going to be at the very least a league average 3 point shooter and most likely will end up better than that.

The progress on his shot has been encouraging so far, but the concern over his jump shot was warranted given his poor shooting percentages in the G League, summer league, and preseason.

It's still warranted, even if the early returns are positive.

You can say you are still concerned about his jumper and focus on his shooting percentages in the past. That is totally up to you.

I have no such concerns. My personal belief from watching from the beginning was that he had great form on his jumper, smooth quick release, and a confidence in his shot that would eventually make him a solid shooter. Obviously he still has a lot of prove which I have noted. But I am extremely confident he gets there no matter what the critics think and he is starting to show that. It's exciting and I'm not going to tamp down my enthusiasm of it.

[sco]

No one is saying he is going to shoot 4-5 from 3 or 80% every game for the rest of the year. But it has been clear to me from the very beginning that he has great form on his shot and that it was only going to be a matter of time before he is an average or above average 3 point shooter. He is not going to get there immediately, but he started the season 3-15 or 20%. Since then he is shooting 44% on 14-32. Obviously there are going to be slumps but after a rough start he is sharply trending upward. The concerns that 3 point shooting was going to be a major weakness of his are already proving to be false. Obviously it is early but I am confident he is going to be at the very least a league average 3 point shooter and most likely will end up better than that.

The progress on his shot has been encouraging so far, but the concern over his jump shot was warranted given his poor shooting percentages in the G League, summer league, and preseason.

It's still warranted, even if the early returns are positive.

You can say you are still concerned about his jumper and focus on his shooting percentages in the past. That is totally up to you.

I have no such concerns. My personal belief from watching from the beginning was that he had great form on his jumper, smooth quick release, and a confidence in his shot that would eventually make him a solid shooter. Obviously he still has a lot of prove which I have noted. But I am extremely confident he gets there no matter what the critics think and he is starting to show that. It's exciting and I'm not going to tamp down my enthusiasm of it.

I'm optimistic for his future, but I disagree that his jumper is quick (he does a wind-up motion down to his waste before shooting). Also he jumps too high for a 6'10 guy, which leads to inconsistency and slows his release. Work to do.

[Bulliever2020]

The progress on his shot has been encouraging so far, but the concern over his jump shot was warranted given his poor shooting percentages in the G League, summer league, and preseason.

It's still warranted, even if the early returns are positive.

You can say you are still concerned about his jumper and focus on his shooting percentages in the past. That is totally up to you.

I have no such concerns. My personal belief from watching from the beginning was that he had great form on his jumper, smooth quick release, and a confidence in his shot that would eventually make him a solid shooter. Obviously he still has a lot of prove which I have noted. But I am extremely confident he gets there no matter what the critics think and he is starting to show that. It's exciting and I'm not going to tamp down my enthusiasm of it.

I'm optimistic for his future, but I disagree that his jumper is quick (he does a wind-up motion down to his waste before shooting). Also he jumps too high for a 6'10 guy, which leads to inconsistency and slows his release. Work to do.

I disagree with your criticisms. I've talked to a very well respected shooting coach who says his form is good and I can see it with my own eyes. And a lot of great shooters bring the ball up from their waist. Ray Allen is one who did that consistently. And also that is easily fixable over time and doesn't really affect the form on his release. Which is pure with his elbow in. I just don't see the jumping too high thing at all either.

Again, bookmark my post, bring it up down the road if he doesn't end up being a shooter that the defense has to respect. Everyone is free to have their concerns and criticisms. I see a solid shooter that only needs time to refine the details. Will gladly, well maybe not gladly, but I will definitely admit if I end up being wrong.

[Ccwatercraft]

Had to watch the highlight on this game as well due to family outing. Not directly Bulls related but WTF is going on with the new CSN, all the highlights (both their YT channel and NBA's) have highpitched squealing that make it unbearable to watch with sound. Does the broadcast have these noises as well?

It's a hearing test, you are supposed to raise your hand and it will stop

[GoBlue72391]

No one is saying he is going to shoot 4-5 from 3 or 80% every game for the rest of the year. But it has been clear to me from the very beginning that he has great form on his shot and that it was only going to be a matter of time before he is an average or above average 3 point shooter. He is not going to get there immediately, but he started the season 3-15 or 20%. Since then he is shooting 44% on 14-32. Obviously there are going to be slumps but after a rough start he is sharply trending upward. The concerns that 3 point shooting was going to be a major weakness of his are already proving to be false. Obviously it is early but I am confident he is going to be at the very least a league average 3 point shooter and most likely will end up better than that.

The progress on his shot has been encouraging so far, but the concern over his jump shot was warranted given his poor shooting percentages in the G League, summer league, and preseason.

It's still warranted, even if the early returns are positive.

You can say you are still concerned about his jumper and focus on his shooting percentages in the past. That is totally up to you.

I have no such concerns. My personal belief from watching from the beginning was that he had great form on his jumper, smooth quick release, and a confidence in his shot that would eventually make him a solid shooter. Obviously he still has a lot of prove which I have noted. But I am extremely confident he gets there no matter what the critics think and he is starting to show that. It's exciting and I'm not going to tamp down my enthusiasm of it.

You've determined his jump shot is fine based on 47 total career attempts? Lots of players have good form and aren't good shooters, so that's not enough to say this is no longer a concern.

He shot 26% in the G League, 21% in the summer league, and 29% during the preseason with that same shooting form that you're basing your entire argument on. If he goes on one mini 3-game shooting slump for example, he'll be back under 30%.

I think you're confused. You seem to be misconstruing my post as me lacking confidence that he'll ever become a good shooter, like I'm doubting him. I'm not. I am confident he'll become a good shooter, I'm just not willing to say it's a done deal right now after a grand total of 21 games, 244 minutes, and a whopping 47 3PA.

He has good form, he's a confident shooter, and the early returns have been promising but that doesn't mean his shooting development is over or not worth tracking anymore.

Feel free to be as enthusiastic as you want, I'm just trying to be realistic yet optimistic without being a homer. I've been about as pro-Matas as one can be.

This is coming off like an "I know better than everyone else" type of thing. I can't tell you how many similar self-righteous conclusions I saw people make about Pat early in his career and we all know how that turned out.

[Bulliever2020]

The progress on his shot has been encouraging so far, but the concern over his jump shot was warranted given his poor shooting percentages in the G League, summer league, and preseason.

It's still warranted, even if the early returns are positive.

You can say you are still concerned about his jumper and focus on his shooting percentages in the past. That is totally up to you.

I have no such concerns. My personal belief from watching from the beginning was that he had great form on his jumper, smooth quick release, and a confidence in his shot that would eventually make him a solid shooter. Obviously he still has a lot of prove which I have noted. But I am extremely confident he gets there no matter what the critics think and he is starting to show that. It's exciting and I'm not going to tamp down my enthusiasm of it.

You've determined his jump shot is fine based on 47 total career attempts? Lots of players have good form and aren't good shooters, so that's not enough to say this is no longer a concern.

He shot 26% in the G League, 21% in the summer league, and 29% during the preseason with that same shooting form that you're basing your entire argument on. If he goes on one mini 3-game shooting slump for example, he'll be back under 30%.

I think you're confused. You seem to be misconstruing my post as me lacking confidence that he'll ever become a good shooter, like I'm doubting him. I'm not. I am confident he'll become a good shooter, I'm just not willing to say it's a done deal right now after a grand total of 21 games, 244 minutes, and a whopping 47 3PA.

He has good form, he's a confident shooter, and the early returns have been promising but that doesn't mean his shooting development is over or not worth tracking anymore.

Feel free to be as enthusiastic as you want, I'm just trying to be realistic yet optimistic without being a homer. I've been about as pro-Matas as one can be.

This is coming off like an "I know better than everyone else" type of thing. I can't tell you how many similar self-righteous conclusions I saw people make about Pat early in his career and we all know how that turned out.

I think you're the one that's confused. And you continue to argue against my personal belief for some reason. I've stated my reasons for being confident in his shot going forward but you seem to have some type of problem with that. Again, people are free to have their concerns, I do not share them. I have stated numerous times now I will come back and take my lumps if he doesn't end up being a good shooter. Yet you continue to want to argue about it and I have no idea why. This will be my last post on the subject. Feel free to bookmark this post and call me out down the road if you want. Have a good one.

Also, his total 3 point attempts combining g-league, summer league, and preseason was 70. Not a much larger sample size at all.

[GoBlue72391]

You can say you are still concerned about his jumper and focus on his shooting percentages in the past. That is totally up to you.

I have no such concerns. My personal belief from watching from the beginning was that he had great form on his jumper, smooth quick release, and a confidence in his shot that would eventually make him a solid shooter. Obviously he still has a lot of prove which I have noted. But I am extremely confident he gets there no matter what the critics think and he is starting to show that. It's exciting and I'm not going to tamp down my enthusiasm of it.

You've determined his jump shot is fine based on 47 total career attempts? Lots of players have good form and aren't good shooters, so that's not enough to say this is no longer a concern.

He shot 26% in the G League, 21% in the summer league, and 29% during the preseason with that same shooting form that you're basing your entire argument on. If he goes on one mini 3-game shooting slump for example, he'll be back under 30%.

I think you're confused. You seem to be misconstruing my post as me lacking confidence that he'll ever become a good shooter, like I'm doubting him. I'm not. I am confident he'll become a good shooter, I'm just not willing to say it's a done deal right now after a grand total of 21 games, 244 minutes, and a whopping 47 3PA.

He has good form, he's a confident shooter, and the early returns have been promising but that doesn't mean his shooting development is over or not worth tracking anymore.

Feel free to be as enthusiastic as you want, I'm just trying to be realistic yet optimistic without being a homer. I've been about as pro-Matas as one can be.

This is coming off like an "I know better than everyone else" type of thing. I can't tell you how many similar self-righteous conclusions I saw people make about Pat early in his career and we all know how that turned out.

I think you're the one that's confused. And you continue to argue against my personal belief for some reason. I've stated my reasons for being confident in his shot going forward but you seem to have some type of problem with that. Again, people are free to have their concerns, I do not share them. I have stated numerous times now I will come back and take my lumps if he doesn't end up being a good shooter. Yet you continue to want to argue about it and I have no idea why. This will be my last post on the subject. Feel free to bookmark this post and call me out down the road if you want. Have a good one.

Did I not say I also believe he'll become a good shooter?