PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

Kinda feel like we're still doing that to deuce. He could start on some teams.

Other than the top level stars in the league he is the most underpaid player.

As for his contract he prolly saw close to 17+m and was like fck the years I'm taking family changing money. I don't fault him.

My gut says we don't keep him for the duration of his contract for that reason. He's already outgrowing his supersub role. At a certain point it will just be courtesy to him to get him somewhere where he can play more for that next contract which could easily be near 100 mil. But he'll help us contend for a few years and he seems to want that.

Plus, I don't think we'll be able to afford his next deal.

Completely agree. With the cba and our stars we can't afford to pay him his worth. So we will move him to bring in some young cheap assets to keep the bench tight.

This FO is savvy as hell. Which is really refreshing considering the sht we've been through.

It's also why I don't see us resigning Payne. He'll prolly price himself out here and we will just sign another vet on the min.

The cool thing about this is we have such high end top talent that makes life easier for role players. It allows them to be at their best. That's what truly great stars do. They elevate their teammates not just themselves. We are in a great great place right now. Feels surreal that this is the Knicks.

I think all future deals will be decided on are we a title team with said player and this group. I think they are going to avoid the apron traps until they know for sure how close the team is. I would say we are pretty damn close right now. They will eventually push their final chips in to keep contending. Meaning they will go over the apron if necessary.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Just checked too, and KAT leads the NBA in rebounds per game, while we play at the 3rd slowest pace in the league. Big Purr.

[Guano]

Chanel hiding after he wrote that thesis on franz having a bigger impact on winning than banchero only for them to lose by 30. Come outside mf!

Too busy showing his 1st edition penguin classics to be held accountable for his hot hoop takes.

[Capn'O]

As of last night, KAT leads the league in RPG

And our best ever offense got a little bit better.

[Guano]

Props to Thibs for knowing what he’s doing. Out coached another opponent

Ihart mentioned last season that he’s never been more prepared than playing for Thibs and he came from playing under Lue. He has his flaws but he’s a damn good coach

As one of the bigger Thibs haters/doubters on this board, I have no quarrel with any of this. The guy is a good coach in many aspects and unquestionably gets results.

I think what we might miss sometimes with thibs is the things that aren't quantifiable. Like the players, a jHart for example, are willing to run through a brick wall for him. He is the kinda guy that every other player on the outside on hates, and wouldn't want to play for, but his guys love him.

But got dayum those mins are concerning as hell.

[Iron Mantis]

As of last night, KAT leads the league in RPG

And our best ever offense got a little bit better.

[SelbyCobra]

I started to feel bad for Deuce and then I remembered that 17+ million is a **** ton of money.

I can't help myself in these situations. It's one of the few things I actually still care about in this cold world. Workers should be compensated for their work. He is vastly underpaid for his contributions to his business. Yes, he is vastly overpaid in comparison to me and the majority of Americans but in his line of work he is getting robbed. And I hate that for him. But I also admire him because when I'm treated unfairly at work. I pack it up.

Knicks also kinda sandbagged his production. He could have iHarted us easy and taken the 2 year deal. But then maybe they don't really play him or trade him. Cold world indeed.

I'm firmly on the side of the worker, but the Deuce situations isn't that black and white to me. Yes the Knicks suppressed him in a way, but the kid was a 2nd round pick whose size was an impediment to him being a clear contributor right out the gate. It could be argued that they built him UP through rigorous practice reps under a meticulously principled and hard-driving coach in Thibs, and by not exposing him early on, they allowed him become the player he needed to be so he had the best chance at hitting the ground running. Despite the vast majority of the league not doing it that way, this IS a traceable method in Thibs' coaching style that has yielded very big results, so it's entirely possible he was not sandbagged at all.

Secondly, any athlete that is on the fringe - hell, even the middle class at this point in most North American sports - is seeking to lock in guaranteed money. This goes double for young guys on their first contracts; it is a scramble to get to that second deal where the money everyone associates with being a "professional athlete" finally shows up. You can be in the NFL, MLB, or NBA for the first years of your career and not actually have the financial stability that we all subconsciously presuppose when we see these guys on TV.

Is it under market? Yes, that's why the Knicks did it. Was it $13M more fully guaranteed than the $0 guaranteed he previously had, when he was averaging 10 minutes and 2.8 points per game, getting DNPs in roughly 40% of the games in his first two years in the league? Yes, that's why Deuce did it.

He acquired life-changing money by discounting his total potential earnings, and will get another swing at greater guaranteed money when he's just 26 years old. I'm good with this situation. Now, if you want to argue about how this scenario only arises because of the CBA and the cap? All day, my man.

[Iron Mantis]

WTH is happening in this thread?

Killing our immaculate vibes.

This was a great team win and Thibs stepped up!!!

[Guano]

I can't help myself in these situations. It's one of the few things I actually still care about in this cold world. Workers should be compensated for their work. He is vastly underpaid for his contributions to his business. Yes, he is vastly overpaid in comparison to me and the majority of Americans but in his line of work he is getting robbed. And I hate that for him. But I also admire him because when I'm treated unfairly at work. I pack it up.

Knicks also kinda sandbagged his production. He could have iHarted us easy and taken the 2 year deal. But then maybe they don't really play him or trade him. Cold world indeed.

I'm firmly on the side of the worker, but the Deuce situations isn't that black and white to me. Yes the Knicks suppressed him in a way, but the kid was a 2nd round pick whose size was an impediment to him being a clear contributor right out the gate. It could be argued that they built him UP through rigorous practice reps under a meticulously principled and hard-driving coach in Thibs, and by not exposing him early on, they allowed him become the player he needed to be so he had the best chance at hitting the ground running. Despite the vast majority of the league not doing it that way, this IS a traceable method in Thibs' coaching style that has yielded very big results, so it's entirely possible he was not sandbagged at all.

Secondly, any athlete that is on the fringe - hell, even the middle class at this point in most North American sports - is seeking to lock in guaranteed money. This goes double for young guys on their first contracts; it is a scramble to get to that second deal where the money everyone associates with being a "professional athlete" finally shows up. You can be in the NFL, MLB, or NBA for the first years of your career and not actually have the financial stability that we all subconsciously presuppose when we see these guys on TV.

Is it under market? Yes, that's why the Knicks did it. Was it $13M more fully guaranteed than the $0 guaranteed he previously had, when he was averaging 10 minutes and 2.8 points per game, getting DNPs in roughly 40% of the games in his first two years in the league? Yes, that's why Deuce did it.

He acquired life-changing money by discounting his total potential earnings, and will get another swing at greater guaranteed money when he's just 26 years old. I'm good with this situation. Now, if you want to argue about how this scenario only arises because of the CBA and the cap? All day, my man.

That's reasonable context and does show how the knicks believed in him and nurtured him to become the best version of himself.

But got damn, he is the one out there showing out now. Its him. Sire the knicks fostered a place for growth and for him to show out and be his best version. But thehre capitalizing on his production. Its exploitative at this point. Cause who he is now is worth a lot more than the money he is being paid.

Regardless of outside context, such as cba, others being overpaid, etc. Just his b&w production. Which is a really naive way to look at it. But in fairness, i never claimed to be mature. Hopefully as you and others have mentioned he is most likely going to cash in big on his 2nd deal.

[mpharris36]

As of last night, KAT leads the league in RPG

And our best ever offense got a little bit better.

25 and 13

on basically 50/40/90 splits is wild.

Also to note. He has blocked 6 shots in the last 4 games. Prior to that he blocked only 11 shots in 16 games. So much better

[3toheadmelo]

Don’t forget getting rid of Obi was also a win. His stans said he was gonna thrive once he left NY love to see the rj and obi fans suffer on losing teams.

[robillionaire]

I started to feel bad for Deuce and then I remembered that 17+ million is a **** ton of money.

I can't help myself in these situations. It's one of the few things I actually still care about in this cold world. Workers should be compensated for their work. He is vastly underpaid for his contributions to his business. Yes, he is vastly overpaid in comparison to me and the majority of Americans but in his line of work he is getting robbed. And I hate that for him. But I also admire him because when I'm treated unfairly at work. I pack it up.

Knicks also kinda sandbagged his production. He could have iHarted us easy and taken the 2 year deal. But then maybe they don't really play him or trade him. Cold world indeed.

The Knicks aren’t the bad guys here, he could have played better in college and improved his draft position to be selected in the 1st round and maybe guaranteed money and playing time instead of being a 2nd round stash project. Now over time we have developed him into a solid player who eventually will get himself paid down the road just like we did with Quickley

If anything he could fire his agent

[Capn'O]

I can't help myself in these situations. It's one of the few things I actually still care about in this cold world. Workers should be compensated for their work. He is vastly underpaid for his contributions to his business. Yes, he is vastly overpaid in comparison to me and the majority of Americans but in his line of work he is getting robbed. And I hate that for him. But I also admire him because when I'm treated unfairly at work. I pack it up.

Knicks also kinda sandbagged his production. He could have iHarted us easy and taken the 2 year deal. But then maybe they don't really play him or trade him. Cold world indeed.

I'm firmly on the side of the worker, but the Deuce situations isn't that black and white to me. Yes the Knicks suppressed him in a way, but the kid was a 2nd round pick whose size was an impediment to him being a clear contributor right out the gate. It could be argued that they built him UP through rigorous practice reps under a meticulously principled and hard-driving coach in Thibs, and by not exposing him early on, they allowed him become the player he needed to be so he had the best chance at hitting the ground running. Despite the vast majority of the league not doing it that way, this IS a traceable method in Thibs' coaching style that has yielded very big results, so it's entirely possible he was not sandbagged at all.

Secondly, any athlete that is on the fringe - hell, even the middle class at this point in most North American sports - is seeking to lock in guaranteed money. This goes double for young guys on their first contracts; it is a scramble to get to that second deal where the money everyone associates with being a "professional athlete" finally shows up. You can be in the NFL, MLB, or NBA for the first years of your career and not actually have the financial stability that we all subconsciously presuppose when we see these guys on TV.

Is it under market? Yes, that's why the Knicks did it. Was it $13M more fully guaranteed than the $0 guaranteed he previously had, when he was averaging 10 minutes and 2.8 points per game, getting DNPs in roughly 40% of the games in his first two years in the league? Yes, that's why Deuce did it.

He acquired life-changing money by discounting his total potential earnings, and will get another swing at greater guaranteed money when he's just 26 years old. I'm good with this situation. Now, if you want to argue about how this scenario only arises because of the CBA and the cap? All day, my man.

I generally agree about the building him up process over his first few years here. He wasn't ready early on. My sandbagging comments pertain to a period last year where he was ready and they were trying to move Grimes. They extended him in late December and then all of a sudden it was like "psyche motherfcker, this guy is GOOD!" once Grimes was gone. That felt a little off to me. But I won't disagree that the team's approach may have helped build him up to extension/second contract worthy play.

[Clyde_Style]

I notice a lot of happy people around here. Where's all of the hate? We need rim protection. KAT sucks. Can't win with Brunson/KAT. Mikal trade will go down as one of the worst in NBA history. OG contract is one of the the worst in NBA history. Yada yada yada.

I think I'm on the wrong site. It's too happy in here with everyone sucking their own dicks! I'm just here to say I told you so! Which is me sucking my own dick! PATIENCE MOTHERFUQQERS! We just getting warmed up!

TMI?

[Guano]

As of last night, KAT leads the league in RPG

And our best ever offense got a little bit better.

25 and 13

on basically 50/40/90 splits is wild.

Also to note. He has blocked 6 shots in the last 4 games. Prior to that he blocked only 11 shots in 16 games. So much better

Being wrong has never felt this good

[Guano]

I can't help myself in these situations. It's one of the few things I actually still care about in this cold world. Workers should be compensated for their work. He is vastly underpaid for his contributions to his business. Yes, he is vastly overpaid in comparison to me and the majority of Americans but in his line of work he is getting robbed. And I hate that for him. But I also admire him because when I'm treated unfairly at work. I pack it up.

Knicks also kinda sandbagged his production. He could have iHarted us easy and taken the 2 year deal. But then maybe they don't really play him or trade him. Cold world indeed.

The Knicks aren’t the bad guys here, he could have played better in college and improved his draft position to be selected in the 1st round and maybe guaranteed money and playing time instead of being a 2nd round stash project. Now over time we have developed him into a solid player who eventually will get himself paid down the road just like we did with Quickley

If anything he could fire his agent

Ofc rob takes the side of the ruling class.

"if it wasn't for us you would be toiling in some Euroleague eating gyros hanging out with fourni3r"

All while lining their pockets with deuces high arching 3s and relentless d. They're robbing my boy!

[Capn'O]

Moving posts into the Around thread. Next stop, suspensions!

[thebuzzardman]

I notice a lot of happy people around here. Where's all of the hate? We need rim protection. KAT sucks. Can't win with Brunson/KAT. Mikal trade will go down as one of the worst in NBA history. OG contract is one of the the worst in NBA history. Yada yada yada.

I think I'm on the wrong site. It's too happy in here with everyone sucking their own dicks! I'm just here to say I told you so! Which is me sucking my own dick! PATIENCE MOTHERFUQQERS! We just getting warmed up!

TMI?

He's always bragging about his advanced yoga practices

[Jalen Bluntson]

I notice a lot of happy people around here. Where's all of the hate? We need rim protection. KAT sucks. Can't win with Brunson/KAT. Mikal trade will go down as one of the worst in NBA history. OG contract is one of the the worst in NBA history. Yada yada yada.

I think I'm on the wrong site. It's too happy in here with everyone sucking their own dicks! I'm just here to say I told you so! Which is me sucking my own dick! PATIENCE MOTHERFUQQERS! We just getting warmed up!

TMI?

He's always bragging about his advanced yoga practices

I'm very flexible.

[Capn'O]

I'll go one step further on the Sixers hate because why not?

Daryl Morey is Isiah Thomas with better marketing and an annual analytics conference backing him.

Sick diss!

I would have missed this if I hadn't had to go back and move all the off topic posts.