PG: KNICKS 'Murder' The Magic!!!

[robillionaire]

Knicks also kinda sandbagged his production. He could have iHarted us easy and taken the 2 year deal. But then maybe they don't really play him or trade him. Cold world indeed.

The Knicks aren’t the bad guys here, he could have played better in college and improved his draft position to be selected in the 1st round and maybe guaranteed money and playing time instead of being a 2nd round stash project. Now over time we have developed him into a solid player who eventually will get himself paid down the road just like we did with Quickley

If anything he could fire his agent

Ofc rob takes the side of the ruling class.

"if it wasn't for us you would be toiling in some Euroleague eating gyros hanging out with fourni3r"

All while lining their pockets with deuces high arching 3s and relentless d. They're robbing my boy!

Thibs made him. He should have paid us for the experience! When will the NBA start reverse-salary internships????

[SelbyCobra]

Ihart mentioned last season that he’s never been more prepared than playing for Thibs and he came from playing under Lue. He has his flaws but he’s a damn good coach

As one of the bigger Thibs haters/doubters on this board, I have no quarrel with any of this. The guy is a good coach in many aspects and unquestionably gets results.

I think what we might miss sometimes with thibs is the things that aren't quantifiable. Like the players, a jHart for example, are willing to run through a brick wall for him. He is the kinda guy that every other player on the outside on hates, and wouldn't want to play for, but his guys love him.

But got dayum those mins are concerning as hell.

I'd disagree that things aren't quantifiable with Thibs - the man coaches teams to records in excess of expectations, and sometimes into elite territory. That is a direct result of his hard-nosed, highly prepared, reps/reps/reps approach to coaching. He hammers heavily on effort and buy-in, and because of that he has a history of catalyzing solid players to greater heights, elevating teams from the depths, and making chicken salad out of chicken isht, if you will. Records improve directly with him running things specifically because he is such a motivator.

The man is a very good coach who will almost certainly have this team with an elite record at the end of the season. His principles combined with this roster is almost undeniable in that regard. I also do not believe it's impossible to win a championship with him at the helm - I've said that in the past, and still believe it. I just don't believe he gives this roster/talent the best chance at it, and I think there's a strong potential his deficiencies/blind spots are actually what causes this elite team to fall short in the end.

Optimistically, I hold onto the fact that the talent on this roster is so, so elite, that it has the potential to outshine his inflexibility/stubbornness while still retaining the positives of what he brings to the table. It helps quell the thought of everyone in traction at the end of the year.

[Guano]

I'll go one step further on the Sixers hate because why not?

Daryl Morey is Isiah Thomas with better marketing and an annual analytics conference backing him.

Sick diss!

I would have missed this if I hadn't had to go back and move all the off topic posts.

Called that man Isiah Thomas with an abacus.

[Knick4Real]

From SPORTS ILLUSTRATED:

Karl-Anthony Towns
Gives Knicks Hope

December 4, 2024

The biggest change with the New York Knicks this season compared to last has been the presence of Karl-Anthony Towns.

And according to HoopsHype contributor Mike Shearer, he is also the biggest reason for hope for the Knicks.

"Towns has been everything the Knicks could have reasonably expected," Shearer writes. "Yes, the defense has been tough, but that’s more about Thibodeau’s refusal to put KAT in advantageous positions (although, to my eyes, he has been at the level of the screen more often recently, where he’s better equipped to muck up passing angles). Opponents won’t shoot 300 percent at the rim against him forever, right? Offensively, though, he’s been lights out. Towns is setting career highs all over the place, including true shooting percentage, three-point percentage, and rebounds. He’s even dramatically reduced his most dumbfounding turnovers. The Knicks are a tiny fraction of a point away from being the league’s No. 1 offense, and lineups with KAT are scoring a downright silly 124 points per 100 possessions."

Towns, 29, is averaging 25.2 points and 13 rebounds per game for the Knicks so far this season.

It took a little while for Towns to get acclimated with the Knicks, and some may see he is still trying to figure things out as December rolls along. But Towns is only going to get more comfortable for the Knicks, and that will make things easier for New York as the season progresses.

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/karl-anthony-towns-gives-new-york-knicks-hope

That's my guy!

[robillionaire]

From SPORTS ILLUSTRATED:

Karl-Anthony Towns
Gives Knicks Hope

December 4, 2024

The biggest change with the New York Knicks this season compared to last has been the presence of Karl-Anthony Towns.

And according to HoopsHype contributor Mike Shearer, he is also the biggest reason for hope for the Knicks.

"Towns has been everything the Knicks could have reasonably expected," Shearer writes. "Yes, the defense has been tough, but that’s more about Thibodeau’s refusal to put KAT in advantageous positions (although, to my eyes, he has been at the level of the screen more often recently, where he’s better equipped to muck up passing angles). Opponents won’t shoot 300 percent at the rim against him forever, right? Offensively, though, he’s been lights out. Towns is setting career highs all over the place, including true shooting percentage, three-point percentage, and rebounds. He’s even dramatically reduced his most dumbfounding turnovers. The Knicks are a tiny fraction of a point away from being the league’s No. 1 offense, and lineups with KAT are scoring a downright silly 124 points per 100 possessions."

Towns, 29, is averaging 25.2 points and 13 rebounds per game for the Knicks so far this season.

It took a little while for Towns to get acclimated with the Knicks, and some may see he is still trying to figure things out as December rolls along. But Towns is only going to get more comfortable for the Knicks, and that will make things easier for New York as the season progresses.

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/karl-anthony-towns-gives-new-york-knicks-hope

That's my guy!

We are 10th in team points allowed per game so still a formidable defense. Last year we were 2nd so it might seem more of a drop off than we’ve been accustomed to with Thibs teams. But it hasn’t been nearly as bad as people are trying to portray it.

The Timberwolves were 1st and Towns was on the team. People will say it was Gobert and others but they’ve went from 1st to 5th so a bit of a drop off from towns

[mpharris36]

As of last night, KAT leads the league in RPG

And our best ever offense got a little bit better.

25 and 13

on basically 50/40/90 splits is wild.

Also to note. He has blocked 6 shots in the last 4 games. Prior to that he blocked only 11 shots in 16 games. So much better

Being wrong has never felt this good

You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...

[Guano]

As one of the bigger Thibs haters/doubters on this board, I have no quarrel with any of this. The guy is a good coach in many aspects and unquestionably gets results.

I think what we might miss sometimes with thibs is the things that aren't quantifiable. Like the players, a jHart for example, are willing to run through a brick wall for him. He is the kinda guy that every other player on the outside on hates, and wouldn't want to play for, but his guys love him.

But got dayum those mins are concerning as hell.

I'd disagree that things aren't quantifiable with Thibs - the man coaches teams to records in excess of expectations, and sometimes into elite territory. That is a direct result of his hard-nosed, highly prepared, reps/reps/reps approach to coaching. He hammers heavily on effort and buy-in, and because of that he has a history of catalyzing solid players to greater heights, elevating teams from the depths, and making chicken salad out of chicken isht, if you will. Records improve directly with him running things specifically because he is such a motivator.

The man is a very good coach who will almost certainly have this team with an elite record at the end of the season. His principles combined with this roster is almost undeniable in that regard. I also do not believe it's impossible to win a championship with him at the helm - I've said that in the past, and still believe it. I just don't believe he gives this roster/talent the best chance at it, and I think there's a strong potential his deficiencies/blind spots are actually what causes this elite team to fall short in the end.

Optimistically, I hold onto the fact that the talent on this roster is so, so elite, that it has the potential to outshine his inflexibility/stubbornness while still retaining the positives of what he brings to the table. It helps quell the thought of everyone in traction at the end of the year.

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This is where I get really concerned cause his greatest strength is also a huge weakness. If he runs us into the ground, exposes players to unnecessary risk we're doomed. I would feel a lot more comfortable if the FO gave him another wing defender to play.

As for the rest of you're post you're not wrong. There are countless examples, just from his knicks tenure, of elevating players stats and taking some comical rosters to the playoffs.

[robillionaire]

25 and 13

on basically 50/40/90 splits is wild.

Also to note. He has blocked 6 shots in the last 4 games. Prior to that he blocked only 11 shots in 16 games. So much better

Being wrong has never felt this good

You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...

Mikal deal looking shaky and probably an overpay but can be worth it if we win. The grimes trade last year was bad. The reddish trade was bad but they recovered with the Hart theft. A few questionable signings like Kemba and Fournier and Mitch but overall nothing too killer. Every other deal looking pretty solid to me.

[dakomish23]

I feel like this is Karl Anthony Towns being truly free under Thibs to himself and not fit into a role. He's an all star talent and more.

All NBA talent. Ppl were really crying her about his offense of all things?

How embarrassing and short sighted. But that's par for the course for some

Haha...I don't get too down on folks for this stuff, I think there's been some warranted criticism and full blown overreaction, but I think it all comes from a good place and frankly, anxiousness.

I said awhile back what really endeared me to this fanbase was the fact that people have suffered through absolute crap. I hold to that. When someone panics about Karl, or even Mikal, I know it's about wanting things to go right, and not about the player per say.

It's all a process. I think the team is well ahead of schedule. Karl has been a revelation on both ends though, I will say that much. I knew he was good, but man he's out there punishing people, cleaning the glass, and he's not getting any whistles.

[mpharris36]

As one of the bigger Thibs haters/doubters on this board, I have no quarrel with any of this. The guy is a good coach in many aspects and unquestionably gets results.

I think what we might miss sometimes with thibs is the things that aren't quantifiable. Like the players, a jHart for example, are willing to run through a brick wall for him. He is the kinda guy that every other player on the outside on hates, and wouldn't want to play for, but his guys love him.

But got dayum those mins are concerning as hell.

I'd disagree that things aren't quantifiable with Thibs - the man coaches teams to records in excess of expectations, and sometimes into elite territory. That is a direct result of his hard-nosed, highly prepared, reps/reps/reps approach to coaching. He hammers heavily on effort and buy-in, and because of that he has a history of catalyzing solid players to greater heights, elevating teams from the depths, and making chicken salad out of chicken isht, if you will. Records improve directly with him running things specifically because he is such a motivator.

The man is a very good coach who will almost certainly have this team with an elite record at the end of the season. His principles combined with this roster is almost undeniable in that regard. I also do not believe it's impossible to win a championship with him at the helm - I've said that in the past, and still believe it. I just don't believe he gives this roster/talent the best chance at it, and I think there's a strong potential his deficiencies/blind spots are actually what causes this elite team to fall short in the end.

Optimistically, I hold onto the fact that the talent on this roster is so, so elite, that it has the potential to outshine his inflexibility/stubbornness while still retaining the positives of what he brings to the table. It helps quell the thought of everyone in traction at the end of the year.

This 1000%

Good coach...wherever he goes he lays a foundation and builds a winning mentality.

I also think this team can win with him...because I like the group that much. I just think he isn't without faults. His stubbornness and inflexbility which also makes him a good coach also can backfire. Especially when you get into the playoffs where teams know how the Knicks are going to play and I feel he's late to adjust.

Also getting to and through the playoffs healthy is a concern. I know people scoff at it but its a real concern. Its great the regular season record and mentality to win every game and win every game by a lot. But sometimes you got to live to fight another day in the regular season. Sometimes you might be presently surprised with guys that given more opportunity will help the team.

The good thing is Precious and then Mitch...2 players in his trust circle are coming back. But playing Josh Hart nearly 40 mins in a game we basically had in the bag in the early 3rd qtr is kinda reckless still.

[Guano]

25 and 13

on basically 50/40/90 splits is wild.

Also to note. He has blocked 6 shots in the last 4 games. Prior to that he blocked only 11 shots in 16 games. So much better

Being wrong has never felt this good

You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...

Yeah, and to your point in another post, this team is only 20+ games in to the experiment without a real quality backup big. In a year from now it's going to be ridiculous.

The mikal trade is justifiable right now. It makes us contenders. We can always use hindsight or if another player becomes available have some buyers remorse. But 20 games in were watching the Knicks and believing they have a shot. To me that justifies the trade.

Now in 2031 if we dont win a chip and the nyets are drafting some 7'2" freak ill be mad as hell at this trade. But for now I'm going to try to enjoy the best stretch of Knicks hoops in the past decade.

[3toheadmelo]

Love you Thibs!

Read on Twitter

[mpharris36]

Being wrong has never felt this good

You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...

Mikal deal looking shaky and probably an overpay but can be worth it if we win. The grimes trade last year was bad. The reddish trade was bad but they recovered with the Hart theft. A few questionable signings like Kemba and Fournier and Mitch but overall nothing too killer. Every other deal looking pretty solid to me.

no one is going to bat 100% in moves.

I don't see how you can call the Grimes trade a bad trade. The purpose of that trade was to move off Fournier and acquire Bogs/Burks that could help us this year...and then be able to use the Bogs expiring next year to acquire a player in the future. Which was used as matching salary for Bridges...so the trade had multiple purposes. Also Grimes is notorious streaky player...he had 3 really good games in Dallas but I don't trust him...even in college he was a streaky shooter...DET even traded him after we did.

The Reddish move was probably our worse move...they probably tried to acquire a talented player for below market (they felt) and get him into our "system" and turn his talent into a winning player but it didn't click because he just wasn't a thibs guy. Ultimately that was good to know...because FO rarely has acquired a non thibs guy and tried to put him onto the team. All the guys we are now acquiring seem to fit how we want to play and buy-in. So sometimes mistakes help you learn and they pivoted to Hart who is one of our best moves.

I didn't like the early FA moves for Kemba and Fournier they were chasing Thibs wins but they were acquiring non defensive players.

Ultimately everything comes back to Brunson though. As much as Thibs built the winning culture...so did Brunson. We had that bubble playoff run with the Randle led team which wasn't sustainable. We got washed by ATL in the playoffs.

Brunson changed the game and got to give Leon credit....his relationship there helped us build this foundation.

[Capn'O]

The Reddish move was probably our worse move...they probably tried to acquire a talented player for below market (they felt) and get him into our "system" and turn his talent into a winning player but it didn't click because he sucks. just wasn't a thibs guy. Ultimately that was good to know...because FO rarely has acquired a non thibs guy and tried to put him onto the team. All the guys we are now acquiring seem to fit how we want to play and buy-in. So sometimes mistakes help you learn and They pivoted to Hart who is one of our best moves.

Fixed.

[mpharris36]

Being wrong has never felt this good

You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...

Yeah, and to your point in another post, this team is only 20+ games in to the experiment without a real quality big. In a year from now it's going to be ridiculous.

The mikal trade is justifiable right now. It makes us contenders. We can always use hindsight or if another player becomes available have some buyers remorse. But 20 games in were watching the Knicks and believing they have a shot. To me that justifies the trade.

Now in 2031 if we dont win a chip and the nyets are drafting some 7'2" freak ill be mad as hell at this trade. But for now I'm going to try to enjoy the best stretch of Knicks hoops in the past decade.

Yup and remember the Mikal trade wasn't just about on court production. We need a player that could basically fit into the Bogs expiring...that had control and would be will to buy into our team and system.

It might not have been the flashiest move...but when making certain moves you got to know the makeup of a player. How will he fit...some guys just aren't comfortable being a 3rd/4th banana on a team some games. Sacrificing for the greater god and Mikal certainly fits seamlessly with this group. So this idea we should have just held out hope another talented wing would come on the market in a year just wouldn't make sense to me. Time to strike was now.

You can clearly see improvement from game 1 to game 20...imagine game 40 now...what about game 80...what about playoffs and next year. And like you said Precious and Mitch are coming back as well. And we have Aller managing the CBA perfectly to make this team sustainable.

Assuming we can stay healthy this team has so much potential.

[Deeeez Knicks]

You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...

Yeah, and to your point in another post, this team is only 20+ games in to the experiment without a real quality big. In a year from now it's going to be ridiculous.

The mikal trade is justifiable right now. It makes us contenders. We can always use hindsight or if another player becomes available have some buyers remorse. But 20 games in were watching the Knicks and believing they have a shot. To me that justifies the trade.

Now in 2031 if we dont win a chip and the nyets are drafting some 7'2" freak ill be mad as hell at this trade. But for now I'm going to try to enjoy the best stretch of Knicks hoops in the past decade.

Yup and remember the Mikal trade wasn't just about on court production. We need a player that could basically fit into the Bogs expiring...that had control and would be will to buy into our team and system.

It might not have been the flashiest move...but when making certain moves you got to know the makeup of a player. How will he fit...some guys just aren't comfortable being a 3rd/4th banana on a team some games. Sacrificing for the greater god and Mikal certainly fits seamlessly with this group. So this idea we should have just held out hope another talented wing would come on the market in a year just wouldn't make sense to me. Time to strike was now.

You can clearly see improvement from game 1 to game 20...imagine game 40 now...what about game 80...what about playoffs and next year. And like you said Precious and Mitch are coming back as well. And we have Aller managing the CBA perfectly to make this team sustainable.

Assuming we can stay healthy this team has so much potential.

Plus we didn't have to give up any rotational players for Mikal. Every team would probably want at least Deuce or maybe Hart for a star like wing

[Guano]

For all the talk about KAT's salary, here are the 14 players basically making his AAV or higher in the league this year.

You take Steph and Jokic over him very clearly, and even though he might not be a better fit for this team, Giannis also goes ahead, too.

But after that? There's a valid argument/probable for Brown, but it's not definitive at this point. Towns is clearly ahead of Booker with what we've seen so far this season, and then...

There are people who will look you dead in the face and tell you the Sixers had the "best offseason". Don't ever listen to these people's opinion on ball ever

Ill never forget we had posters saying that maxey was better than Brunson. I can forgive a lot of transgression and hell I even fck with maxey but that sht was blasphemous.

Sidenote - pls rock an avy - as one of the better posters I hate missing your post cause I mistake you for a ballboy.

[mpharris36]

Yeah, and to your point in another post, this team is only 20+ games in to the experiment without a real quality big. In a year from now it's going to be ridiculous.

The mikal trade is justifiable right now. It makes us contenders. We can always use hindsight or if another player becomes available have some buyers remorse. But 20 games in were watching the Knicks and believing they have a shot. To me that justifies the trade.

Now in 2031 if we dont win a chip and the nyets are drafting some 7'2" freak ill be mad as hell at this trade. But for now I'm going to try to enjoy the best stretch of Knicks hoops in the past decade.

Yup and remember the Mikal trade wasn't just about on court production. We need a player that could basically fit into the Bogs expiring...that had control and would be will to buy into our team and system.

It might not have been the flashiest move...but when making certain moves you got to know the makeup of a player. How will he fit...some guys just aren't comfortable being a 3rd/4th banana on a team some games. Sacrificing for the greater god and Mikal certainly fits seamlessly with this group. So this idea we should have just held out hope another talented wing would come on the market in a year just wouldn't make sense to me. Time to strike was now.

You can clearly see improvement from game 1 to game 20...imagine game 40 now...what about game 80...what about playoffs and next year. And like you said Precious and Mitch are coming back as well. And we have Aller managing the CBA perfectly to make this team sustainable.

Assuming we can stay healthy this team has so much potential.

Plus we didn't have to give up any rotational players for Mikal. Every team would probably want at least Deuce or maybe Hart for a star like wing

Yeah thats what I sort of meant when I said fitting a playier into Bogs expiring. We basically has a range of acquiring a guy making around 20 MM.

Look around the league and tell me how many people check off that many boxes in that salary range.

[KnixinSix]

I think what we might miss sometimes with thibs is the things that aren't quantifiable. Like the players, a jHart for example, are willing to run through a brick wall for him. He is the kinda guy that every other player on the outside on hates, and wouldn't want to play for, but his guys love him.

But got dayum those mins are concerning as hell.

I'd disagree that things aren't quantifiable with Thibs - the man coaches teams to records in excess of expectations, and sometimes into elite territory. That is a direct result of his hard-nosed, highly prepared, reps/reps/reps approach to coaching. He hammers heavily on effort and buy-in, and because of that he has a history of catalyzing solid players to greater heights, elevating teams from the depths, and making chicken salad out of chicken isht, if you will. Records improve directly with him running things specifically because he is such a motivator.

The man is a very good coach who will almost certainly have this team with an elite record at the end of the season. His principles combined with this roster is almost undeniable in that regard. I also do not believe it's impossible to win a championship with him at the helm - I've said that in the past, and still believe it. I just don't believe he gives this roster/talent the best chance at it, and I think there's a strong potential his deficiencies/blind spots are actually what causes this elite team to fall short in the end.

Optimistically, I hold onto the fact that the talent on this roster is so, so elite, that it has the potential to outshine his inflexibility/stubbornness while still retaining the positives of what he brings to the table. It helps quell the thought of everyone in traction at the end of the year.

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This is where I get really concerned cause his greatest strength is also a huge weakness. If he runs us into the ground, exposes players to unnecessary risk we're doomed. I would feel a lot more comfortable if the FO gave him another wing defender to play.

As for the rest of you're post you're not wrong. There are countless examples, just from his knicks tenure, of elevating players stats and taking some comical rosters to the playoffs.

When Precious/ Mitch return thats a pretty big piece that would be addressed.

[Guano]

You got to give it up to Leon/Aller/WWW and Co. They have seemed to have pulled the trigger on the right deals at the right time.

I don't see how anyone can say the RJ/IQ for OG deal was bad for Knicks

I don't see how anyone can say the Randle/DD for KAT deal was bad for the Knicks.

Mikal trade still is a bit up in the air but if he settles in nicely and we get to where we want to go no one will care where a majority of those picks in the 20's will be.

Imagine the Knicks now without some of these trades...

Yeah, and to your point in another post, this team is only 20+ games in to the experiment without a real quality big. In a year from now it's going to be ridiculous.

The mikal trade is justifiable right now. It makes us contenders. We can always use hindsight or if another player becomes available have some buyers remorse. But 20 games in were watching the Knicks and believing they have a shot. To me that justifies the trade.

Now in 2031 if we dont win a chip and the nyets are drafting some 7'2" freak ill be mad as hell at this trade. But for now I'm going to try to enjoy the best stretch of Knicks hoops in the past decade.

Yup and remember the Mikal trade wasn't just about on court production. We need a player that could basically fit into the Bogs expiring...that had control and would be will to buy into our team and system.

It might not have been the flashiest move...but when making certain moves you got to know the makeup of a player. How will he fit...some guys just aren't comfortable being a 3rd/4th banana on a team some games. Sacrificing for the greater god and Mikal certainly fits seamlessly with this group. So this idea we should have just held out hope another talented wing would come on the market in a year just wouldn't make sense to me. Time to strike was now.

You can clearly see improvement from game 1 to game 20...imagine game 40 now...what about game 80...what about playoffs and next year. And like you said Precious and Mitch are coming back as well. And we have Aller managing the CBA perfectly to make this team sustainable.

Assuming we can stay healthy this team has so much potential.

Honestly feels if the mikal trade happened after the kat trade people would fck with him a lot more. Cause it was the all in moves. We brought in the star with kat and then completed the roster by bringing in the 3rd piece. It was pushing all the chips on the table.

I'm just glad he is starting to get right. Would like to see him hit ATB 3s at a better clip and get to the FT line more. But his defense has been picking up and he is starting to look more confident in his role. If he is on he takes this team to a new level.