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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#321 » by FFBlitzace » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:35 am

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basketballRob wrote:We have one of the easiest schedules left , with most of the games at home and fewer b2bs than any other team in the league. Don't bet against us winning 50+ games.

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Time for my annual strength of schedule PSA:

SOS is not static. And it is volatile earlier on in the season. You could play Washington three times in a week and your schedule can turn into the hardest the rest of the season.

We do have a bunch of harder games coming up in the next two weeks, so it actually is kinda true for us, but if we had a bunch of easier ones, it would be the opposite.



And a funny quirk is that good teams who saddle their opponents with losses actually make their year-to-date SOS lower by reducing the win percentage of their opponents.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#322 » by Knightro » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:44 am

Shaqdaz wrote:On the surface, this is going to look like a negative post. Its really just things I've noticed recently, and some changes I would like to see. I really want to emphasis how happy I am that Orlando has been able to win games without Paulo, and beat the teams we should be beating. This is one of the marks of a well coached and poised team - the ability to not play down to the opposition. Any win on the road is a good win in the NBA.

In saying that though, I'm not completely sold on Mosley's offense. A great coach excels at calling plays on the fly and drawing up situational plays. Often, these plays appear to be our normal motion offense, with little change. This wont cut it come playoff time. Its not all on Mosley - Orlando's youth shows in their lack of organization and reads sometimes too. For example, a play that has stuck with me was against the Lakers; Orlando kept running a staggered down screen, which is supposed to switch a less mobile big on to the player receiving the stagger, and for them to then come up and set an on-ball screen for Franz. This resulted in Davis switching onto the smaller guard, which brought him to Franz for the high screen. Instead of realizing AD had switched to the designated screener, and making someone else come to the ball instead, they kept bringing Davis to the ball. One player who is normally really good at making reads on the fly is Mo - his intelligence is really underrated, and he constantly organizes the offense on broken plays. You'll often see him on such plays lift from the elbow and push the guard on the strong side through for a back door cut and dribble hand-off, or create for himself. This kind of offensive awareness isn't something you typically see from a 5, and something I think Orlando acquiring a more traditional point guard can make a big difference with. I'm also not sold on the offensive principles against a zone. The offense is predicated on Orlando getting the ball to someone (usually Franz) at the foul line/extended. If Orlando doesn't catch the ball there, the offense becomes self-creation. I'd like to see the wings play a lot higher and create a three-man front instead of trying to create space for the foul line catch. This would be better for guards like Suggs and Black, who are quick and athletic enough to create off the catch for straight line drives, where their lack of on-ball creativity won't hinder the offense.

I'd also like to see simple flex cuts used more, especially when Paolo returns. This would get Franz closer to the block with a possible mismatch, instead of the current strategy of passing to the wing and walking his man down to the post. Flex cuts will also get Franz on the move, and if he's not open, you'll have Paolo coming up off the pin-down either on the move where he can turn the corner, or with a catch on the elbow.

Orlando has issues when their opposition plays up and in to the player initiating the offense. It often results in Franz with the ball in his hands with 8 seconds on the clock and no movement. Another guard who can get Orlando into their offense faster would be really beneficial. Further development for Black would be huge to help counter this. He does generally do well however protecting the ball to initiate the offense with the second unit. I didn't like his role on the team last year as just a connector. I know it's tough for a rookie to play a meaningful role on a team with playoff aspirations, but more on-ball reps would have helped extensively in his development this year in these situations.

I don't know why Orlando was so willing to switch WCJ and Goga onto Sixers guards at the end of the game; they went over every screen with the big in drop for the majority of the game, and for the majority of the game, played it right. You often see WCJ switched to the guard, who moves his feet OK, but Goga struggles in these situations.

Overall though, a fantastic win. I'm excited to see how the offense looks once Paulo returns.


Good analysis. I agree with pretty much everything you laid out.

That said... I admit that I am not finding myself getting all that frustrated with anything negative that's happening right now.

Why?

Because PAOLO FREAKING BANCHERO is coming back at some point in the next 3-4 weeks and everything is going to look so different once he gets back anyway.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#323 » by JF5 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:44 am

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KillMonger wrote:Carter Jr...... 31 minutes/ 2 pts/ 2 assist/ 6 rebounds......6 fouls


Outside of like one late blow by from Maxey, I thought Carter was generally good defensively tonight.

The play he fouled out on appeared very clearly to actually be a foul on Black and I was a bit surprised the Magic didn't challenge since it was Carter's 6th.


Didnt we use/lose oir challenge already?


They won the challenge but the foul went to Carter ironically with a push/trip on that same play.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#324 » by Knightro » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:45 am

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Knightro wrote:
KillMonger wrote:Carter Jr...... 31 minutes/ 2 pts/ 2 assist/ 6 rebounds......6 fouls


Outside of like one late blow by from Maxey, I thought Carter was generally good defensively tonight.

The play he fouled out on appeared very clearly to actually be a foul on Black and I was a bit surprised the Magic didn't challenge since it was Carter's 6th.


Didnt we use/lose oir challenge already?


They technically won the challenge, even though Yabusele still went to the line.

They originally called the foul on Black, Magic challenged it and they ruled the foul was actually on Carter. So it was a "successful" challenge that still ended up in free throws.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#326 » by basketballRob » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:49 am

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basketballRob wrote:We have one of the easiest schedules left , with most of the games at home and fewer b2bs than any other team in the league. Don't bet against us winning 50+ games.

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

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Time for my annual strength of schedule PSA:

SOS is not static. And it is volatile earlier on in the season. You could play Washington three times in a week and your schedule can turn into the hardest the rest of the season.

We do have a bunch of harder games coming up in the next two weeks, so it actually is kinda true for us, but if we had a bunch of easier ones, it would be the opposite.
If we somehow beat the Bucks, then we'll face the Knicks in NY on Thursday, and one of the b2bs in NY will be canceled.

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#327 » by RookieStar » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:50 am

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Knightro wrote:
Outside of like one late blow by from Maxey, I thought Carter was generally good defensively tonight.

The play he fouled out on appeared very clearly to actually be a foul on Black and I was a bit surprised the Magic didn't challenge since it was Carter's 6th.


Didnt we use/lose oir challenge already?


They technically won the challenge, even though Yabusele still went to the line.

They originally called the foul on Black, Magic challenged it and they ruled the foul was actually on Carter. So it was a "successful" challenge that still ended up in free throws.


Well... thats something i guess
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Post#328 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:56 am

Nice hard fought bounce back win on the road. Philly although shorthanded have some guys on the floor that can really score and made it tough for us but we persevered. To be 16-8 given the situation is something to commend.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#329 » by Knightro » Thu Dec 5, 2024 4:10 am

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Post#330 » by VFX » Thu Dec 5, 2024 4:27 am

I will say that AB really did have an amazing couple of sets offensively toward the end of the game despite a pretty meh first 3.5 quarters.

Most nights he shows these flashes and it always comes down to attacking the rim or doing a Suggs impression with a timely defensive play. Either way, there is something there with the kid... I just dont know what that is yet exactly.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#331 » by KillMonger » Thu Dec 5, 2024 4:59 am

VFX wrote:I will say that AB really did have an amazing couple of sets offensively toward the end of the game despite a pretty meh first 3.5 quarters.

Most nights he shows these flashes and it always comes down to attacking the rim or doing a Suggs impression with a timely defensive play. Either way, there is something there with the kid... I just dont know what that is yet exactly.
I mean isn't flashes all you should expect from kids this young? Franz came into the league averaging 15, paolo came into the league averaging 20... Paolo and Franz are not normal... AB needs more time in the oven, he's only 20

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Post#332 » by Bensational » Thu Dec 5, 2024 5:42 am

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Who’s putting it ALL on him? He’s not good enough to warrant significant blame in the first place.


Then why are complaining about his performance?


Because in 32 minutes of play against a team with a 6’8 3rd string big man WCJ could only get 2 points on 1-4 shooting, 6 rebounds plus a couple of assists and the team was -7 points worse with him on the court. Why are you defending that stat line? If Goga posted those stats you’d be up in arms about it.

Both Goga and Moe Wagner beat his entire stat line in only 20 minutes of play.

I just get annoyed where players like Wendell have a decent to good game still get crapped on but guys like Goga and Black when they have bad games you hear absolutely nothing about their poor performances. Black up until today was horrible for 5-7 straight games but people get quiet are not critical of his game until he has a good game like he did tonight and they'll say "he's a budding star in the making".

People are biased... but it has to be more fair (IMO)


lol, you only really comment specifically to crap on Goga and Black or to pretend WCJ should be absolved of all criticism.

The bench are the only reason outside of Franz and Goga that we won this game. Black had 10,5 and 7 whilst shooting 50% from the floor. But your only comment is to defend WCJ’s poor play against a team with no one taller than 6’8. I mean, yeah we’re all biased including you.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#333 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 6:20 am

Good news, vs Suns, Durant is already ruled out :lol:
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#334 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 6:35 am

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SOUL wrote:
basketballRob wrote:We have one of the easiest schedules left , with most of the games at home and fewer b2bs than any other team in the league. Don't bet against us winning 50+ games.

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

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Time for my annual strength of schedule PSA:

SOS is not static. And it is volatile earlier on in the season. You could play Washington three times in a week and your schedule can turn into the hardest the rest of the season.

We do have a bunch of harder games coming up in the next two weeks, so it actually is kinda true for us, but if we had a bunch of easier ones, it would be the opposite.



And a funny quirk is that good teams who saddle their opponents with losses actually make their year-to-date SOS lower by reducing the win percentage of their opponents.


It's also very dependent on how many times you will play league's best team but especially league worst teams.

For example, Heat has easiest SOS because they have to:
play Wizards 3 more times
76ers 3 more times
Jazz twice
Pelicans twice
Blazers twice


Wizards have "hardest remaining schedule" for one hilarious reason- they can't play against- Wizards :rofl:

7 out of 10 remaining "hardest SOS" teams are western conference teams because you play more games vs own conference and Western conference is more competitive.

I don't know how Bulls have such high SOS, nobody in nba played more +. 500 teams and they played more games on the road than at home, in same time they are yet to play whole bunch of league's worst teams.


That said, SOS only becomes a thing in last 10-15 games if so. Right now it means nothing.
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Post#335 » by cedric76 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 6:41 am

Knightro wrote:Suggs/KCP combine for 8 steals.

Maxey/McCain 4 turnovers apiece.


I love this backcourt

Suggs/kcp/ab r always putting pressure on opposing guards
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#336 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Dec 5, 2024 6:44 am

basketballRob wrote:
SOUL wrote:
basketballRob wrote:We have one of the easiest schedules left , with most of the games at home and fewer b2bs than any other team in the league. Don't bet against us winning 50+ games.

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

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Time for my annual strength of schedule PSA:

SOS is not static. And it is volatile earlier on in the season. You could play Washington three times in a week and your schedule can turn into the hardest the rest of the season.

We do have a bunch of harder games coming up in the next two weeks, so it actually is kinda true for us, but if we had a bunch of easier ones, it would be the opposite.
If we somehow beat the Bucks, then we'll face the Knicks in NY on Thursday, and one of the b2bs in NY will be canceled.

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The Knicks game would be the semi finals which are in Vegas on Saturday the 14th, there isn’t another game that gets created is there?

This actually works in our favor if we make it no home court for the knicks
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Post#337 » by RookieStar » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:00 am

Sooo.... suggs injured, goga injured... is it the hospital magic when wr face PHI again?
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#338 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:23 am

pepe1991 wrote:Good news, vs Suns, Durant is already ruled out :lol:


We are definitely lucky that many teams we played since Paolos injury have ton of missing players too. But still fantastic job to win so many games without him.
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Post#339 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:27 am

cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:Suggs/KCP combine for 8 steals.

Maxey/McCain 4 turnovers apiece.


I love this backcourt

Suggs/kcp/ab r always putting pressure on opposing guards


If you are mean: on our own offense too with their limitations. :lol: But yea best guard defense next to OKC and I really like all their personalities.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 24: Orlando Magic (15-8) at Philadelphia 76ers (5-14) - 7:30pm 

Post#340 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:34 am

Shaqdaz wrote:On the surface, this is going to look like a negative post. Its really just things I've noticed recently, and some changes I would like to see. I really want to emphasis how happy I am that Orlando has been able to win games without Paulo, and beat the teams we should be beating. This is one of the marks of a well coached and poised team - the ability to not play down to the opposition. Any win on the road is a good win in the NBA.

In saying that though, I'm not completely sold on Mosley's offense. A great coach excels at calling plays on the fly and drawing up situational plays. Often, these plays appear to be our normal motion offense, with little change. This wont cut it come playoff time. Its not all on Mosley - Orlando's youth shows in their lack of organization and reads sometimes too. For example, a play that has stuck with me was against the Lakers; Orlando kept running a staggered down screen, which is supposed to switch a less mobile big on to the player receiving the stagger, and for them to then come up and set an on-ball screen for Franz. This resulted in Davis switching onto the smaller guard, which brought him to Franz for the high screen. Instead of realizing AD had switched to the designated screener, and making someone else come to the ball instead, they kept bringing Davis to the ball. One player who is normally really good at making reads on the fly is Mo - his intelligence is really underrated, and he constantly organizes the offense on broken plays. You'll often see him on such plays lift from the elbow and push the guard on the strong side through for a back door cut and dribble hand-off, or create for himself. This kind of offensive awareness isn't something you typically see from a 5, and something I think Orlando acquiring a more traditional point guard can make a big difference with. I'm also not sold on the offensive principles against a zone. The offense is predicated on Orlando getting the ball to someone (usually Franz) at the foul line/extended. If Orlando doesn't catch the ball there, the offense becomes self-creation. I'd like to see the wings play a lot higher and create a three-man front instead of trying to create space for the foul line catch. This would be better for guards like Suggs and Black, who are quick and athletic enough to create off the catch for straight line drives, where their lack of on-ball creativity won't hinder the offense.

I'd also like to see simple flex cuts used more, especially when Paolo returns. This would get Franz closer to the block with a possible mismatch, instead of the current strategy of passing to the wing and walking his man down to the post. Flex cuts will also get Franz on the move, and if he's not open, you'll have Paolo coming up off the pin-down either on the move where he can turn the corner, or with a catch on the elbow.

Orlando has issues when their opposition plays up and in to the player initiating the offense. It often results in Franz with the ball in his hands with 8 seconds on the clock and no movement. Another guard who can get Orlando into their offense faster would be really beneficial. Further development for Black would be huge to help counter this. He does generally do well however protecting the ball to initiate the offense with the second unit. I didn't like his role on the team last year as just a connector. I know it's tough for a rookie to play a meaningful role on a team with playoff aspirations, but more on-ball reps would have helped extensively in his development this year in these situations.

I don't know why Orlando was so willing to switch WCJ and Goga onto Sixers guards at the end of the game; they went over every screen with the big in drop for the majority of the game, and for the majority of the game, played it right. You often see WCJ switched to the guard, who moves his feet OK, but Goga struggles in these situations.

Overall though, a fantastic win. I'm excited to see how the offense looks once Paulo returns.


Thanks for your great post. That's the reason I'm only here and not on places like Reddit, to read posts like this instead of jokes, hyperbole and oneliner. :clap: Even if I don't get the fascination with hairstyles :lol:

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