Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3?

[Negrodamus]

Maxey meh

If I could rip someone off in a trade, I would certainly do it.

I love Maxey and would love to have him in Philly for his entire career.

That said, I wouldn't scoff at a Tyrese Trade: Haliburton for Maxey.

I'd definitely consider it since Haliburton is a better fit with McCain since he's a 6'6 PG who plays both sides of the ball. I know Haliburton is going through a situation now with his back and his number have dipped, but I also don't think under normal circumstances they'd trade Haliburton for Maxey.

[MikRay]

Maxey meh

If I could rip someone off in a trade, I would certainly do it.

I love Maxey and would love to have him in Philly for his entire career.

That said, I wouldn't scoff at a Tyrese Trade: Haliburton for Maxey.

I'd definitely consider it since Haliburton is a better fit with McCain since he's a 6'6 PG who plays both sides of the ball. I know Haliburton is going through a situation now with his back and his number have dipped, but I also don't think under normal circumstances they'd trade Haliburton for Maxey.

Indy never do it I would easily

He’s just not as good as fans think he is

Five years from now, Jared McCain will be the vastly superior player and it won’t even be close

[eyeatoma]

Maxey meh

If I could rip someone off in a trade, I would certainly do it.

I love Maxey and would love to have him in Philly for his entire career.

That said, I wouldn't scoff at a Tyrese Trade: Haliburton for Maxey.

I'd definitely consider it since Haliburton is a better fit with McCain since he's a 6'6 PG who plays both sides of the ball. I know Haliburton is going through a situation now with his back and his number have dipped, but I also don't think under normal circumstances they'd trade Haliburton for Maxey.

Indy never do it I would easily

He’s just not as good as fans think he is

Five years from now, Jared McCain will be the vastly superior player and it won’t even be close

Lol...

[elchengue20]

The lesson we should learn from the process is you don't fall in love with Homegrown talent.

When Embiid is done and we decide to rebuild, the Maxey/McCain duo is not a good fit long term.

Sooner or later you need to trade one of them. It reminds me of the Lillard/McCollum duo that Portland insisted too much on making it work, until it was too late. We made a similar mistake with our flawed duo of Biid/Simmons.

[sixerserpent]

The lesson we should learn from the process is you don't fall in love with Homegrown talent.

When Embiid is done and we decide to rebuild, the Maxey/McCain duo is not a good fit long term.

Sooner or later you need to trade one of them. It reminds me of the Lillard/McCollum duo that Portland insisted too much on making it work, until it was too late. We made a similar mistake with our flawed duo of Biid/Simmons.

steph/klay turned out pretty well.

[Mik317]

that is most definitely not the right lesson to take away from the process lol

or lack of homegrown talent in favor of win now vets is exactly why we are in the position we are in right now. Most championship teams have a core of dudes who grew and failed together.

Yall are always so quick to make decisions based off of getting the best value back before some nebulous timeline. Got to let dudes take their lumps and grow and play together. This need for immediate results is exactly what led to the various rushed trades and thrown away assets of the post Hinkie years imo.

[phifans]

Maxeys' setback is indeed unexpected. If his shot isn't fall then he's just meh ... an inefficient high volum scorer with low impact in winning. Still early though hope he can refind his weapon. He and McCain are the only encouraging stories Philly has in this process era.

[SixthStreet]

Is it really a surprise to anyone that Maxey's efficiency has dropped without Embiid on the floor? For someone that has added something to his game every offseason, it's disappointing to see his half court shot diet consist of step back 3s and high degree of difficulty shots at the rim. There's no back to the basket operation that he showed in offseason videos, change in tempo or the desire to play through contact to get FTs. The team is providing him very few spot up opportunities and he doesn't have a PnR screener who can free him like Embiid can, but he's shown no ability to help himself either. He's also showing little to no ability to playmake. But I can't say I ever really anticipated that.

I think he's at his ceiling. Which is still a very good player, but now clear-eyed that he needs to play with at least one top 10 level player to be efficient. Otherwise closer to a high volume tank commander.

I wouldn't trade him though. His personality and work ethic pairs perfectly with McCain as a stable base to retool the roster if we have to depending on how Embiid looks and if his body allows him to play.

He's not a superstar but he's also not good enough to keep you from tanking effectively so you can let it ride with him.

If we go tank mode he needs to experiment with back to the basket play and change of speeds with game reps.

[Jailblazers7]

Tough not to pin that loss on Maxey. He’s just gotta start hitting shots more consistently. This is a really bad time for him to fall into a shooting slump.

[Negrodamus]

Maxeys' setback is indeed unexpected. If his shot isn't fall then he's just meh ... an inefficient high volum scorer with low impact in winning. Still early though hope he can refind his weapon. He and McCain are the only encouraging stories Philly has in this process era.

He's still a Bradley Beal type player to me. Has the ability to completely kill teams certain games but would also be the tank commander if he was the only "star" on the team.

Don't get me wrong, he has the ability to be a very valuable piece on a winning team, but I'm pretty realistic with what he is. I think we should really let McCain be the decision maker in the final 2 minutes of the game however and I don't see Maxey, Embiid, or George willing to relinquish that role, especially to a rookie.

[the_process]

that is most definitely not the right lesson to take away from the process lol

or lack of homegrown talent in favor of win now vets is exactly why we are in the position we are in right now. Most championship teams have a core of dudes who grew and failed together.

Yall are always so quick to make decisions based off of getting the best value back before some nebulous timeline. Got to let dudes take their lumps and grow and play together. This need for immediate results is exactly what led to the various rushed trades and thrown away assets of the post Hinkie years imo.

Or it could simply be BC, who was forced upon the team, was a bad GM?

I'm fine with letting the team go as long as Embiid is out. They will lose 2 out of every 3 by themselves. That puts them on pace for 26 wins. I think that's bad enough to keep the pick this year.

[FireMorey]

For those of you still hanging onto rooting for this team to win, I don't know how you do it. And I don't even mean from the perspective of "Losing is better, you need to understand this." I mean it from the perspective of this organization clearly has no urgency to. They had a two game win streak and decided to sit one of their best players because of a b2b and it was a close game. So basically, they essentially just punted away another game for the hell of it.

They are not a serious organization and frankly, they aren't worthy of people watching and rooting for them every night. I hope that building is a ghost town in the coming weeks. It's what they deserve. And Morey is still AWOL and has not commented on anything that has transpired this season yet. So that's cool. Glad to know the adults are back in the room and all that.

Anyway, great loss.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Maxeys' setback is indeed unexpected. If his shot isn't fall then he's just meh ... an inefficient high volum scorer with low impact in winning. Still early though hope he can refind his weapon. He and McCain are the only encouraging stories Philly has in this process era.

What???? You gonna totally dismiss Embiids rise to mvp???

[Ferry Avenue]

The lesson we should learn from the process is you don't fall in love with Homegrown talent.

When Embiid is done and we decide to rebuild, the Maxey/McCain duo is not a good fit long term.

Sooner or later you need to trade one of them. It reminds me of the Lillard/McCollum duo that Portland insisted too much on making it work, until it was too late. We made a similar mistake with our flawed duo of Biid/Simmons.

The reason homegrown talent is fallen in love with when you've obtained it as part of "The Process" is because you've lost on purpose to acquire those assets. You've literally asked the fanbase to "trust The Process" -- i.e., watch your team lose on purpose and trust that it'll result in winning with the assets obtained. Then when those assets are used to obtain players, those players will be inherently overvalued.

It's very difficult for an organization to lose on purpose and ask its ticket-buyers to "trust" that will result in winning, and then say "oops -- the players we obtained as part of that process aren't good enough, and so the process we asked you to trust actually failed you." Far easier to overvalue those players.

This is why "The Process" is brilliant if viewed as only a "math problem" -- i.e., losing garners better assets -- but when we go beyond simple math and human nature is included and considered, there are far greater risks involved.

[elchengue20]

The lesson we should learn from the process is you don't fall in love with Homegrown talent.

When Embiid is done and we decide to rebuild, the Maxey/McCain duo is not a good fit long term.

Sooner or later you need to trade one of them. It reminds me of the Lillard/McCollum duo that Portland insisted too much on making it work, until it was too late. We made a similar mistake with our flawed duo of Biid/Simmons.

steph/klay turned out pretty well.

Terrible comparison, Klay was a 6'6 SG who played elite defense and didn't need the ball at all, he was literally the player who could fit with anyone.

[elchengue20]

The lesson we should learn from the process is you don't fall in love with Homegrown talent.

When Embiid is done and we decide to rebuild, the Maxey/McCain duo is not a good fit long term.

Sooner or later you need to trade one of them. It reminds me of the Lillard/McCollum duo that Portland insisted too much on making it work, until it was too late. We made a similar mistake with our flawed duo of Biid/Simmons.

The reason homegrown talent is fallen in love with when you've obtained it as part of "The Process" is because you've lost on purpose to acquire those assets. You've literally asked the fanbase to "trust The Process" -- i.e., watch your team lose on purpose and trust that it'll result in winning with the assets obtained. Then when those assets are used to obtain players, those players will be inherently overvalued.

It's very difficult for an organization to lose on purpose and ask its ticket-buyers to "trust" that will result in winning, and then say "oops -- the players we obtained as part of that process aren't good enough, and so the process we asked you to trust actually failed you." Far easier to overvalue those players.

This is why "The Process" is brilliant if viewed as only a "math problem" -- i.e., losing garners better assets -- but when we go beyond simple math and human nature is included and considered, there are far greater risks involved.

Fanbases in general tend to overvalue their young stars and try to make it work with them until it's too late.

With the process it's even harder like you sayed because for years the whole point it's to get young studs.

Hinkie showed he was a real genius when he traded MCW.

[MikRay]

I would try and find a way to trade, Joel Embiid, Paul George, and Tyrese Maxey. I know it’s tough but that’s what I would do if I was the GM.

Jared McCain is going to be a superstar Who will have more of an impact on who wins the game than Tyrese Maxey — It won’t even be close. I love the way he can get into the paint, bounce the defender off his strong upper body and create space for himself / Tyrese cannot do that.

[M2J]

Maxeys' setback is indeed unexpected. If his shot isn't fall then he's just meh ... an inefficient high volum scorer with low impact in winning. Still early though hope he can refind his weapon. He and McCain are the only encouraging stories Philly has in this process era.

He's still a Bradley Beal type player to me. Has the ability to completely kill teams certain games but would also be the tank commander if he was the only "star" on the team.

Don't get me wrong, he has the ability to be a very valuable piece on a winning team, but I'm pretty realistic with what he is. I think we should really let McCain be the decision maker in the final 2 minutes of the game however and I don't see Maxey, Embiid, or George willing to relinquish that role, especially to a rookie.

Just a reminder

Nobody still wins as a solo star and getting nothing from a max slot or multiple max slots as Maxey has had to do for 2 years. NBA fans loved Bradley Beal and Wall was the criticized one....when he was a perennial playoff guy with nothing more than John Wall as a co star. His image fell apart to the general fan when John Wall signed a huge deal and literally misses 2+ straight years that happened to essentially also end his useful career.

There's no evidence of Maxey as a single star with a roster around him.

Teams don't win with only 1 star (as you stated..... And Empty max money production like from Joel during stretches and Tobias and Harden being traded for Batum last year.... Essentially 3 Max spots giving you nothing. This year with no Joel or George and now Tyrese making max money and missing 2 weeks and relying on minimum guys to start the year. He and McCain only really been playing together for a week without Joel and George (plus when Maxey was out George and Joel and Jared were playing and won nothing).

When teams do stay afloat with 1 star they have luck like a star or 2 playing for less than max money like Brunson and Randle and OG last year with other guys starring in their roles line Hartenstein who they couldn't afford anymore and Hart and Divencenzo to go with Brunson and OG. AKA a complete team even without Randle.

Other examples would be Mavs and KP injuries (who wasn't on a full max and never missed those types of stretches) and they maintained a full team without him including Brunson who was clearly better than they thought along with Hardaway healthy and 3&D guys and bigs.

Denver without Murray (not on a max) most of 1 season still had Porter and Gordon and

The Warriors fell apart without Klay and missed the playoffs last year when Klay wasn't worth the max anymore.

Clippers right now with Harden (making 36 million not 50 million) and no Kawhi..... But they fleshed out the entire roster with the money that they saved on George and Harden himself taking less. Depth at guard, wings and bigs. 3&D guys, another past & present 20ppg scorer in Powell. Plus wow Batum doesn't even start.

Maxey can play better, but what we've generally seen of him... The occasional mega game and occasional stinker is the norm for this situation....I think things will get better now that the Sixers have gotten a bit fortunate with Jared and he's finding his consistency again.

Closest example of an alternative would be 2018 Cavs in a terrible East and prime LeBron James, yet still a fleshed out roster after the Thomas injury and Kyrie trade.

[sixerguy]

Still so confused why Jo isn't on the bench. Like you're at home
With rehab and everything, you really can't sit with your team?

Joel is required to lay in a prone position to avoid aggravating the knee. Sitting court side would require him to have his knee bent which would risk putting it under light stress and could lead to inflammation.

There may be some truth to this - for example during the COVID year he sat stretched out on the baseline during breaks since the stadium was empty. But when he was injured, he still wouldn't show up for games despite being enough room for them to cart out a bed.

Is he in the locker room? Why doesn't he make an appearance during shootarounds?

Seems to me he has never given a crap.

[76ciology]

The lesson we should learn from the process is you don't fall in love with Homegrown talent.

When Embiid is done and we decide to rebuild, the Maxey/McCain duo is not a good fit long term.

Sooner or later you need to trade one of them. It reminds me of the Lillard/McCollum duo that Portland insisted too much on making it work, until it was too late. We made a similar mistake with our flawed duo of Biid/Simmons.

Another big mistake, and for me is the biggest one, was ignoring the trends and being stubborn about it. There’s a reason teams pass on guards who can’t shoot and prioritize perimeter players over bigs in the draft.

Just think about it: we traded Jrue Holiday, the prototype of what an ideal guard in today’s game looks like, for a center who is more situational—limited because he struggles against certain types of bigs. It highlights how out of step that decision was with the direction the league was heading.

Not to mention, passing up Giannis. When we can take a risk for his upside since we’re tanking. And he’s not that unknown that Hawks who did their homework were keeping him from everyone, that it got several GMs trying to acquire him in the draft such as Masai and Presti. You can listen about it in Woj’s pod.

If you look around the league, most top teams rely on at least one multi-positional guard. Right now, you can’t consistently win with two guards under 6’2”, who needs extra help on defense against guys like Tatum, Jaylen Brown, SGA, Anthony Edwards, Doncic and etc.

When it comes to making a trade, the decision becomes simpler if you prioritize the player who can effectively run the offense. Scoring guards are much easier to find. Players like Jordan Clarkson, Cam Thomas, Jalen Green, and Collin Sexton are examples of talented scorers readily available on the market. Some not that popular options are Tre Mann and Brice Sensabaugh.

But players who can both score and be the engine of the offense are rare.. That’s the type of player you keep and take your chance with.

Your GM needs to be versatile. They must excel in public relations, negotiate effectively, analyze and apply data insights, develop long-term plans, and, most importantly, have a deep understanding of basketball. I think Morey is that guy for us now.