NBA Trade Thread #11

[Hangtime84]

A different sort of Vuc trade - not based on any rumors.

Bulls in: Duncan Robinson and Kel'el Ware

Heat in: Nikola Vucevic and Torrey Craig

Bulls main get is Ware on his rookie deal as a young center option. Robinson is only partially guaranteed for next season.

Heat add Vuc and Craig and I think both could be put into the starting rotation for a lineup of Herro-Butler-Craig-Bam-Vuc

Bam is given the freedom to roam and help more which is terrifying for opponents. Meanwhile you have Butler and Craig in as wing defenders which is also a tough defensive duo. Vuc (47%) and Craig (39%) bring much needed shooting and. spacing to the Heat's lineup.

The biggest asset the Heat give is a player who plays the same position as Bam anyway.

Vuc plays the same position as Bam. Why would the Heat do this? This isn't the 90's anymore.

Bam would be better at PF than C imo he can roam so much more. Vuc passing actually helps Miami along with his shooting

[HomoSapien]

I still don't trust that the Bulls won't get seduced with their current somewhat unexpected good start and try to just make the playoffs. I wouldn't be shocked if we inquire about Brandon Ingram. Pelicans are terrible this season and they've had a shaky relationship with BI for awhile. Something like Pat and Ball for him could be the initial framework for a deal. I've never been fully sold on BI, but he sort of seems like the type of player AKMEBD like.

[sco]

I still don't trust that the Bulls won't get seduced with their current somewhat unexpected good start and try to just make the playoffs. I wouldn't be shocked if we inquire about Brandon Ingram. Pelicans are terrible this season and they've had a shaky relationship with BI for awhile. Something like Pat and Ball for him could be the initial framework for a deal. I've never been fully sold on BI, but he sort of seems like the type of player AKMEBD like.

IDK, IMO Zion seems more our speed...oft injured dude who can't shoot 3's and is undersized.

[Red8911]

I still don't trust that the Bulls won't get seduced with their current somewhat unexpected good start and try to just make the playoffs. I wouldn't be shocked if we inquire about Brandon Ingram. Pelicans are terrible this season and they've had a shaky relationship with BI for awhile. Something like Pat and Ball for him could be the initial framework for a deal. I've never been fully sold on BI, but he sort of seems like the type of player AKMEBD like.

Trading for an expiring Ingram could also be the key to unloading Zach’s contract. IF the pelicans like Zach this would work out for both sides. This wouldn’t make the Bulls better or worse, just finally moves Zach’s contract.

Also I don’t really see them making win now moves this season but if they do Pat and Ball for Ingram would be a good move but i doubt the Pelicans do that.

[leo921]

Bulls trade - Williams/Giddy
Warriors trade - Melton/GP2/Kuminga/ 2nd rounder

For Bulls all 3 players expire (29.5m) and get a minor asset in a 2nd rounder. We trade Giddy's restricted FA for Kuminga's
restricted FA but at this point I think Kuminga is worth a look and has more potential then Giddy. Would love to see a
Ayo/White/Kuminga/Buzlies/Smith uptempo lineup. At worse hes expiring at best you can resign him to a solid deal.
Melton is injured and expiring, GP2 is a solid backup defensive guard who would be worth resigning.

Warriors have been wanting another big 3 and D wing and Williams is the perfect fit and hes signed long term on a solid
deal for them. A lineup with Curry/Hield/Wiggins/Williams/Green is a great lineup. Giddy is a really good backup who can play
in different lineups and positions.

[Muzbar]

I still don't trust that the Bulls won't get seduced with their current somewhat unexpected good start and try to just make the playoffs. I wouldn't be shocked if we inquire about Brandon Ingram. Pelicans are terrible this season and they've had a shaky relationship with BI for awhile. Something like Pat and Ball for him could be the initial framework for a deal. I've never been fully sold on BI, but he sort of seems like the type of player AKMEBD like.

IDK, IMO Zion seems more our speed...oft injured dude who can't shoot 3's and is undersized.

He'd be fit great at the 5...

[nanokooshball]

Bulls trade - Williams/Giddy
Warriors trade - Melton/GP2/Kuminga/ 2nd rounder

For Bulls all 3 players expire (29.5m) and get a minor asset in a 2nd rounder. We trade Giddy's restricted FA for Kuminga's
restricted FA but at this point I think Kuminga is worth a look and has more potential then Giddy. Would love to see a
Ayo/White/Kuminga/Buzlies/Smith uptempo lineup. At worse hes expiring at best you can resign him to a solid deal.
Melton is injured and expiring, GP2 is a solid backup defensive guard who would be worth resigning.

Warriors have been wanting another big 3 and D wing and Williams is the perfect fit and hes signed long term on a solid
deal for them. A lineup with Curry/Hield/Wiggins/Williams/Green is a great lineup. Giddy is a really good backup who can play
in different lineups and positions.

Honestly, Warriors need size/rebounding more than anything. Vuc would be perfect for them. I think at this point they'd probably do a Vuc for Kaminga swap + Looney salary filler. Kuminga and Warriors are far apart on any deal.

Wouldn't mind doing a Lavine swap w Ingram.

Giddey / Lonzo
White / Ayo
Ingram / Bezulis
Kuminga / Williams
Smith / Looney

Much better defensive team. More Athletic. Still good 3 PT %. And, then ride out the team and see where it takes us with contract extensions. Sign contracts to reasonable, or make the market beat us out for ingram and kuminga.

[Muzbar]

Bulls trade - Williams/Giddy
Warriors trade - Melton/GP2/Kuminga/ 2nd rounder

For Bulls all 3 players expire (29.5m) and get a minor asset in a 2nd rounder. We trade Giddy's restricted FA for Kuminga's
restricted FA but at this point I think Kuminga is worth a look and has more potential then Giddy. Would love to see a
Ayo/White/Kuminga/Buzlies/Smith uptempo lineup. At worse hes expiring at best you can resign him to a solid deal.
Melton is injured and expiring, GP2 is a solid backup defensive guard who would be worth resigning.

Warriors have been wanting another big 3 and D wing and Williams is the perfect fit and hes signed long term on a solid
deal for them. A lineup with Curry/Hield/Wiggins/Williams/Green is a great lineup. Giddy is a really good backup who can play
in different lineups and positions.

Honestly, Warriors need size/rebounding more than anything. Vuc would be perfect for them. I think at this point they'd probably do a Vuc for Kaminga swap + Looney salary filler. Kuminga and Warriors are far apart on any deal.

Whilst I agree Vuc would be good for the Warriors, I doubt they trade Kuminga for him, they wouldn't include Kuminga for PG13, why would they do so for Vuc?

Any deal with the Warriors would likely include Melton also.

[nanokooshball]

Bulls trade - Williams/Giddy
Warriors trade - Melton/GP2/Kuminga/ 2nd rounder

For Bulls all 3 players expire (29.5m) and get a minor asset in a 2nd rounder. We trade Giddy's restricted FA for Kuminga's
restricted FA but at this point I think Kuminga is worth a look and has more potential then Giddy. Would love to see a
Ayo/White/Kuminga/Buzlies/Smith uptempo lineup. At worse hes expiring at best you can resign him to a solid deal.
Melton is injured and expiring, GP2 is a solid backup defensive guard who would be worth resigning.

Warriors have been wanting another big 3 and D wing and Williams is the perfect fit and hes signed long term on a solid
deal for them. A lineup with Curry/Hield/Wiggins/Williams/Green is a great lineup. Giddy is a really good backup who can play
in different lineups and positions.

Honestly, Warriors need size/rebounding more than anything. Vuc would be perfect for them. I think at this point they'd probably do a Vuc for Kaminga swap + Looney salary filler. Kuminga and Warriors are far apart on any deal.

Whilst I agree Vuc would be good for the Warriors, I doubt they trade Kuminga for him, they wouldn't include Kuminga for PG13, why would they do so for Vuc?

Any deal with the Warriors would likely include Melton also.

It seems like Kerr and Warriors fans have kind of given up on Kuminga reaching his potential, especially with his limited 3 pt shot.

[Muzbar]

Honestly, Warriors need size/rebounding more than anything. Vuc would be perfect for them. I think at this point they'd probably do a Vuc for Kaminga swap + Looney salary filler. Kuminga and Warriors are far apart on any deal.

Whilst I agree Vuc would be good for the Warriors, I doubt they trade Kuminga for him, they wouldn't include Kuminga for PG13, why would they do so for Vuc?

Any deal with the Warriors would likely include Melton also.

It seems like Kerr and Warriors fans have kind of given up on Kuminga reaching his potential, especially with his limited 3 pt shot.

That doesn't mean the Warriors don't value him highly.

[Dez]

I would absolutely take a swing at Zion if they just wanted off the contract.

He either gets his body right and plays at his superstar level or he stays injured and we go on our merry way racking up losses.

Win/win.

[sco]

I would absolutely take a swing at Zion if they just wanted off the contract.

He either gets his body right and plays at his superstar level or he stays injured and we go on our merry way racking up losses.

Win/win.

Injuries aside, I'm not a huge fan of taking on Zion (except if we trade Zach for him, but that's because I just want to get value for Zach, and at least Zion is a "store of value"). Zion's game isn't well suited to the new NBA. He isn't a shooter and seems to be stoppable by tall guys on defense.

[Infinity2152]

I'm wondering why so many people seem like they want Kuminga. He rebounds about the same rate as Pat, worse 3pt shooter, and needs a new contract this summer. He scores at a higher rate but probably has more shot opportunities. We're arguing about mid-level for Giddey, just signed Pat, and we're going to pay Kuminga?

As for whether the Warriors will give up their first, there's almost zero chance whatever rookie they draft this year is even close to impactful as Vuc over the next two years of Steph's career. If they get Vuc before the deadline and don't move Wiggins or Kuminga in the trade, that pick is in the 20's.

A trade like Melton/Looney/Moody and a first for Vuc/Craig/Terry works. Combined PER is about equal for the groupings. Looney and Melton both expire this summer, so we're left with Moody and a first. Vuc is the best player traded and the Warriors get a cheap replacement for Gary Payton II who's expiring in Terry. Craig is far more useful to the Warriors now than to us. Warriors lineup: Curry, Hield, Wiggins, Draymond, Vuc with Kuminga, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. Or Curry, Wiggins, Kuminga, Green, Vuc with Hield, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. I don't care what anyone says, would not leave that trade without a first, the Warriors are the team on the clock, not us. They have a very short window to maximize Steph, about the length of Vuc's contract.

Think the lineup with Wiggin, Kuminga, Green on the floor at the same time could be a top defensive lineup even with Vuc, and Vuc brings much needed consistent scoring and shooting. Top rebounding team too. Steph, Hield and Vuc could be one of the top 3pt shooting/attempts threesomes in the league.

[sco]

I'm wondering why so many people seem like they want Kuminga. He rebounds about the same rate as Pat, worse 3pt shooter, and needs a new contract this summer. He scores at a higher rate but probably has more shot opportunities. We're arguing about mid-level for Giddey, just signed Pat, and we're going to pay Kuminga?

As for whether the Warriors will give up their first, there's almost zero chance whatever rookie they draft this year is even close to impactful as Vuc over the next two years of Steph's career. If they get Vuc before the deadline and don't move Wiggins or Kuminga in the trade, that pick is in the 20's.

A trade like Melton/Looney/Moody and a first for Vuc/Craig/Terry works. Combined PER is about equal for the groupings. Looney and Melton both expire this summer, so we're left with Moody and a first. Vuc is the best player traded and the Warriors get a cheap replacement for Gary Payton II who's expiring in Terry. Craig is far more useful to the Warriors now than to us. Warriors lineup: Curry, Hield, Wiggins, Draymond, Vuc with Kuminga, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. Or Curry, Wiggins, Kuminga, Green, Vuc with Hield, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. I don't care what anyone says, would not leave that trade without a first, the Warriors are the team on the clock, not us. They have a very short window to maximize Steph, about the length of Vuc's contract.

Think the lineup with Wiggin, Kuminga, Green on the floor at the same time could be a top defensive lineup even with Vuc, and Vuc brings much needed consistent scoring and shooting. Top rebounding team too. Steph, Hield and Vuc could be one of the top 3pt shooting/attempts threesomes in the league.

I'd be thrilled to get expirings, Moody and a 1st. I was just thinking they wouldn't do a 1st.

[jnrjr79]

I'm wondering why so many people seem like they want Kuminga. He rebounds about the same rate as Pat, worse 3pt shooter, and needs a new contract this summer. He scores at a higher rate but probably has more shot opportunities. We're arguing about mid-level for Giddey, just signed Pat, and we're going to pay Kuminga?

As for whether the Warriors will give up their first, there's almost zero chance whatever rookie they draft this year is even close to impactful as Vuc over the next two years of Steph's career. If they get Vuc before the deadline and don't move Wiggins or Kuminga in the trade, that pick is in the 20's.

A trade like Melton/Looney/Moody and a first for Vuc/Craig/Terry works. Combined PER is about equal for the groupings. Looney and Melton both expire this summer, so we're left with Moody and a first. Vuc is the best player traded and the Warriors get a cheap replacement for Gary Payton II who's expiring in Terry. Craig is far more useful to the Warriors now than to us. Warriors lineup: Curry, Hield, Wiggins, Draymond, Vuc with Kuminga, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. Or Curry, Wiggins, Kuminga, Green, Vuc with Hield, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. I don't care what anyone says, would not leave that trade without a first, the Warriors are the team on the clock, not us. They have a very short window to maximize Steph, about the length of Vuc's contract.

Think the lineup with Wiggin, Kuminga, Green on the floor at the same time could be a top defensive lineup even with Vuc, and Vuc brings much needed consistent scoring and shooting. Top rebounding team too. Steph, Hield and Vuc could be one of the top 3pt shooting/attempts threesomes in the league.

I'd be thrilled to get expirings, Moody and a 1st. I was just thinking they wouldn't do a 1st.

I believe Muzbar noted they can't trade Moody this year because they just extended him.

[sco]

I'm wondering why so many people seem like they want Kuminga. He rebounds about the same rate as Pat, worse 3pt shooter, and needs a new contract this summer. He scores at a higher rate but probably has more shot opportunities. We're arguing about mid-level for Giddey, just signed Pat, and we're going to pay Kuminga?

As for whether the Warriors will give up their first, there's almost zero chance whatever rookie they draft this year is even close to impactful as Vuc over the next two years of Steph's career. If they get Vuc before the deadline and don't move Wiggins or Kuminga in the trade, that pick is in the 20's.

A trade like Melton/Looney/Moody and a first for Vuc/Craig/Terry works. Combined PER is about equal for the groupings. Looney and Melton both expire this summer, so we're left with Moody and a first. Vuc is the best player traded and the Warriors get a cheap replacement for Gary Payton II who's expiring in Terry. Craig is far more useful to the Warriors now than to us. Warriors lineup: Curry, Hield, Wiggins, Draymond, Vuc with Kuminga, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. Or Curry, Wiggins, Kuminga, Green, Vuc with Hield, Craig, B Pod, GP II, Terry off the bench. I don't care what anyone says, would not leave that trade without a first, the Warriors are the team on the clock, not us. They have a very short window to maximize Steph, about the length of Vuc's contract.

Think the lineup with Wiggin, Kuminga, Green on the floor at the same time could be a top defensive lineup even with Vuc, and Vuc brings much needed consistent scoring and shooting. Top rebounding team too. Steph, Hield and Vuc could be one of the top 3pt shooting/attempts threesomes in the league.

I'd be thrilled to get expirings, Moody and a 1st. I was just thinking they wouldn't do a 1st.

I believe Muzbar noted they can't trade Moody this year because they just extended him.

I think I made that point...oops. So sub in TJD and I'm even happier.

[Muzbar]

I would absolutely take a swing at Zion if they just wanted off the contract.

He either gets his body right and plays at his superstar level or he stays injured and we go on our merry way racking up losses.

Win/win.

A player on a large contract that his injury issues? Sounds exactly what the Bulls need... again.

[sco]

I would absolutely take a swing at Zion if they just wanted off the contract.

He either gets his body right and plays at his superstar level or he stays injured and we go on our merry way racking up losses.

Win/win.

A player on a large contract that his injury issues?sounds exactly what the Bulls need... again.

Maybe it's a regression toward the mean play...one of these deals has to work out...right?

[Infinity2152]

I'd be thrilled to get expirings, Moody and a 1st. I was just thinking they wouldn't do a 1st.

I believe Muzbar noted they can't trade Moody this year because they just extended him.

I think I made that point...oops. So sub in TJD and I'm even happier.

Agreed. The point is none of those players or that first is nearly as valuable to the Warriors in terms of impact as Vuc if they're in win now mode, trying to maximize Steph. Starting with Melton/Looney plus first for Vuc/Craig, it's easy to add a small contract to each to balance it out.

Steph is down to 30 minutes, 23 pts/gm, he needs helps. Don't know why the Warriors are acting like they have time with Steph and Draymond on the squad. They need this deal, or a similar one.

[Dez]

I would absolutely take a swing at Zion if they just wanted off the contract.

He either gets his body right and plays at his superstar level or he stays injured and we go on our merry way racking up losses.

Win/win.

A player on a large contract that his injury issues? Sounds exactly what the Bulls need... again.

Take a punt and it works out or he gets injured and we go deeper in the lottery for Flagg or Bailey.