Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[ShootingtheJ]

Question is, will the Kings pay the tax? This puts them slightly into it.

What’s the exact number that puts the Kings in the tax?

In theory they could absorb Bobby or a smaller contract in to an open exception. But if just swapping Lyles out still triggers it that certainly comes in to the equation.

Maybe they’d need to drop salary in a Heurter trade to duck the tax to make it worth it.

If he’s on the outs either way I could see them valuing Gary Trent Jr. especially if they think he’s underutilized here.

The deal as is puts them $1.4 million over. We could do the deal with just Bobby, but we need to move or waive someone to open a spot.

We could easily move Trent, but we'd need to wait until the 15th.

[emunney]

Bobby's big negative +/- is mainly a factor of who he's subbing in for and what role he's being put in when he does sub in. He's not as good as Giannis or Brook *and* he's very poorly suited to do what's asked of either Giannis or Brook defensively. I called this out pre-season when Doc was talking about having two rim defenders on the floor when we've only got two playable rim defenders. You ask a guy who can't defend the rim to make that his main thing, what exactly should you expect to happen?

Not having another rim protector behind Brook has been a peeve of mine for years

Literally somebody who can set screens and play above the rim on both ends, and that's it. Like, Miles Plumlee ended up with a 50m contract from us because he hinted at being able to do this, and then we never came back to it because Miles Plumlee sucked and we paid him too much.

[BigO]

Bobby's big negative +/- is mainly a factor of who he's subbing in for and what role he's being put in when he does sub in. He's not as good as Giannis or Brook *and* he's very poorly suited to do what's asked of either Giannis or Brook defensively. I called this out pre-season when Doc was talking about having two rim defenders on the floor when we've only got two playable rim defenders. You ask a guy who can't defend the rim to make that his main thing, what exactly should you expect to happen?

Not having another rim protector behind Brook has been a peeve of mine for years

Literally somebody who can set screens and play above the rim on both ends, and that's it. Like, Miles Plumlee ended up with a 50m contract from us because he hinted at being able to do this, and then we never came back to it because Miles Plumlee sucked and we paid him too much.

No, not just to protect the rim. The main reason is to be able to make the Bucks defense more versatile and switchable.

If the player you get only protects the rim, then you have two Lopez's and still don't have a big other than Giannis who can switch on defense.

[RiotPunch]

Bucks get: Keon Ellis, Larry Nance Jr
Bucks trade: Bobby Portis, Marjon Beauchamp

Hawks get: Trey Lyles, Kings 2nd
Hawks trade: Larry Nance Jr

Kings get: Bobby Portis, Marjon Beauchamp
Kings trade: Keon Ellis, Trey Lyles, 2nd

Nance doesn't play for Atlanta who gets a second, a little money saved and a body replacement.
Keon Ellis has picked up a CD-DNP followed by 3 minutes in the Kings last two games and with the Kings sliding and desperation setting in like signing Jae Crowder I could see them making a move.
Bucks get a poa defender and a better fitting big.

Hard to see this getting done without any picks, but Mike Brown does seem to hate Ellis and Kings gonna Kings.

[raferfenix]

DETROIT — The Milwaukee Bucks have risen from the dead, and the man who’s rolled away the stone has put them on his back, like he should.

Giannis Antetokounmpo is playing like an MVP, an award he won twice in his mid-20s. He and Damian Lillard are forming a chemistry that looks formidable, with Khris Middleton expected to make his season debut Friday after double ankle surgery this offseason.

And Antetokounmpo, who turns 30 today, admits he wants a third Most Valuable Player award.

“Yeah, that definitely might put tears in my eyes,” Antetokounmpo told Yahoo Sports earlier this week. “I do want to be part of that conversation. It lets me know I was able to help my team, carry my team, solidified [us as a team].

“I’m not gonna lie, it definitely means something to me.”

But Antetokounmpo’s consistency can be overlooked at times, despite finishing in the top four in MVP voting the last six years, and he’s taking his game up a notch this season.

It’s not just that he’s leading the league in scoring at nearly 33 points a night on a career high 62 percent shooting from the field. His assists are at a career high (6.6), he’s still rebounding at a high clip (11.6), and Doc Rivers is finding ways to unleash him as a defensive menace again.

But it’s also Antetokounmpo being a more efficient player this year, embracing the midrange jump shot as opposed to barreling into defenses that put up a wall waiting for him. On one hand, it saves his body from the unforgiving hardwood that he often tumbles on. On the other, it makes him nearly impossible to defend if he’s hitting shots in that 14-to-17-foot range — and he doesn’t feel compelled to take 3s, which lets defenses off the hook. His 3-point rate is the lowest since his second year.

“I feel basketball-wise I can I read plays better now,” Antetokounmpo told Yahoo Sports. “I know my spots way better at times. I'm not being as rushed. I'm being more poised. Yeah, I don't know if I'm playing better, but we'll see by the end of the year.”

“I'm literally changing my game, and it gives me so much dopamine rush in my head, because I've been wanting to do this for a long time,” Antetokounmpo told reporters. “Now there's going to be games that I'm going to make [none]. Last game, I didn't make s***. But this game, I made them. Hopefully next game, I can make some more.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-giannis-antetokounmpo-turning-30-the-bucks-star-admits-he-wants-to-be-mvp-again-154745712.html

[crowhead76]

I could more easily see the Bucks extending Looney or Larry Nance Jr. than Bobby.

Anyone think Bobby gets another contract in Milwaukee?

If his market doesn’t materialize maybe he takes on his player option. But after the multiple sweet heart deals he gave the Bucks negotiations could get ugly if we don’t want to give him a raise or lock him up long term.

Looney is a better rebounder and defender than Nance, which is what the Bucks could use. He's also 3 years younger (28).

The Warriors are a good defensive team, but need some offensive punch. Kerr likes BP. I don't know about the salaries matching, since Looney makes 8 million. Bucks may need to add Beauchamp.

Looney is an UFA after this season., but the Bucks may get a home town discount.

You are aware that Looney for Bobby does not work, the Warriors are hard capped making a trade for Looney very difficult.

[PG Graveyard]

Bobby's big negative +/- is mainly a factor of who he's subbing in for and what role he's being put in when he does sub in. He's not as good as Giannis or Brook *and* he's very poorly suited to do what's asked of either Giannis or Brook defensively. I called this out pre-season when Doc was talking about having two rim defenders on the floor when we've only got two playable rim defenders. You ask a guy who can't defend the rim to make that his main thing, what exactly should you expect to happen?

Good point. Last year they had him blitzing in spurts and I thought he was pretty good at that. Also liked how it changed our defense for stretches

[emunney]

I could more easily see the Bucks extending Looney or Larry Nance Jr. than Bobby.

Anyone think Bobby gets another contract in Milwaukee?

If his market doesn’t materialize maybe he takes on his player option. But after the multiple sweet heart deals he gave the Bucks negotiations could get ugly if we don’t want to give him a raise or lock him up long term.

Looney is a better rebounder and defender than Nance, which is what the Bucks could use. He's also 3 years younger (28).

The Warriors are a good defensive team, but need some offensive punch. Kerr likes BP. I don't know about the salaries matching, since Looney makes 8 million. Bucks may need to add Beauchamp.

Looney is an UFA after this season., but the Bucks may get a home town discount.

You are aware that Looney for Bobby does not work, the Warriors are hard capped making a trade for Looney very difficult.

Yeah, they're 533k below the hard cap. We should though maybe afford a little grace for people who don't care to internalize the new and absurdly arcane CBA.

[BigO]

I could more easily see the Bucks extending Looney or Larry Nance Jr. than Bobby.

Anyone think Bobby gets another contract in Milwaukee?

If his market doesn’t materialize maybe he takes on his player option. But after the multiple sweet heart deals he gave the Bucks negotiations could get ugly if we don’t want to give him a raise or lock him up long term.

Looney is a better rebounder and defender than Nance, which is what the Bucks could use. He's also 3 years younger (28).

The Warriors are a good defensive team, but need some offensive punch. Kerr likes BP. I don't know about the salaries matching, since Looney makes 8 million. Bucks may need to add Beauchamp.

Looney is an UFA after this season., but the Bucks may get a home town discount.

You are aware that Looney for Bobby does not work, the Warriors are hard capped making a trade for Looney very difficult.

Wasn't aware. Thanks. Does that mean any trade has to be one for one and salaries have to match?

[ReasonablySober]

Still waiting for that answer on the CBA. I tried reading it. The trade section was actually of no help. I think there were 164 mentions of the word "apron".

[ShootingtheJ]

Looney is a better rebounder and defender than Nance, which is what the Bucks could use. He's also 3 years younger (28).

The Warriors are a good defensive team, but need some offensive punch. Kerr likes BP. I don't know about the salaries matching, since Looney makes 8 million. Bucks may need to add Beauchamp.

Looney is an UFA after this season., but the Bucks may get a home town discount.

You are aware that Looney for Bobby does not work, the Warriors are hard capped making a trade for Looney very difficult.

Wasn't aware. Thanks. Does that mean any trade has to be one for one and salaries have to match?

No. The Warriors can take back more salary in the deal too, just not so much that it puts them over the hardcap. We can send out multiple players, but we can't add their salaries together to take on a singular larger salary slot.

We can make any deal easier to build by bringing in the right 3rd team

[crowhead76]

Looney is a better rebounder and defender than Nance, which is what the Bucks could use. He's also 3 years younger (28).

The Warriors are a good defensive team, but need some offensive punch. Kerr likes BP. I don't know about the salaries matching, since Looney makes 8 million. Bucks may need to add Beauchamp.

Looney is an UFA after this season., but the Bucks may get a home town discount.

You are aware that Looney for Bobby does not work, the Warriors are hard capped making a trade for Looney very difficult.

Wasn't aware. Thanks. Does that mean any trade has to be one for one and salaries have to match?

Trades are quite a puzzle with the new CBA. I played around with it, adding Pat and Melton may get it done but they would then probably need to bring in at least 1 other team and picks would definitely be involved.

[jakecronus8]

If I’m not mistaken, Golden State is in the same boat we are so any trade with them would have to be an exact penny for penny trade (I.e. impossible)

Again my interpretation may be off, but in order to deal with them we’d have to have a third team with actual cap space absorbing money from both us and them.

[emunney]

If I’m not mistaken, Golden State is in the same boat we are so any trade with them would have to be an exact penny for penny trade (I.e. impossible)

Again my interpretation may be off, but in order to deal with them we’d have to have a third team with actual cap space absorbing money from both us and them.

They got below the tax when they let Klay and CP walk, but they signed Melton to the non-tax MLE, which hard-capped them at the first apron, which they're 533k under.

[MickeyDavis]

If we lose to Orlando in the cup game Tuesday night would we be given a road game against the Hawks Knicks loser? Or against someone else?

[engelmartin]

Can we get Cole Anthony for cheap? He doesn’t even play in Orlando any more.

[Frank Nova]

How do we turn Bobby Portis into Naz Reid?

[ShootingtheJ]

How do we turn Bobby Portis into Naz Reid?

We would still have a lot of the same problems

[Bernman]

If we lose to Orlando in the cup game Tuesday night would we be given a road game against the Hawks Knicks loser? Or against someone else?

It's a must win, for the regular season too, so it doesn't even matter. If we can't beat them at home then pack it in.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dalano Banton would be perfect in matching up with the Celtics.