LEBRON Advance Stat

[DelAbbot]

I saw this on the GB and am reposting to spur discussions about our current and ex players

[Fairview4Life]

What discussion is this supposed to be spurring?

[MoneyBall]

I don't know much about the LEBRON stat, but it seems like it gets skewed easily by overall team performance. Am I really supposed to believe that 4 of the top 13 players in the EC are on the Cavs?

[Shakril]

I saw this on the GB and am reposting to spur discussions about our current and ex players

Why are there 2 different tables saying the same thing, just with different players?

[ItsDanger]

Seems like PGs get slammed on the Lebron-D stat.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He's looking washed anyhow.

[MoneyBall]

I saw this on the GB and am reposting to spur discussions about our current and ex players

Why are there 2 different tables saying the same thing, just with different players?

I was asking myself the same question until I realized top half are Eastern Conference players and bottom half Western Conference.

[ForeverTFC]

I don't know much about the LEBRON stat, but it seems like it gets skewed easily by overall team performance. Am I really supposed to believe that 4 of the top 13 players in the EC are on the Cavs?

Is this a measure of player talent?

No! LEBRON, like all other impact metrics, are estimates of the total impact a player has on their team. This is a function of their talent, role/usage/deployment, team scheme, and fit within lineups.

Because of this, we may see players higher or lower than their true talent levels based on their individual circumstances. We might see role players perfectly optimized show up higher than they would on another team. We might also see players used poorly show up lower than their talent might suggest they should be.

Change the context even within the same season and you can impact LEBRON values. Hassan Whiteside, for example, becomes a far less positively impactful defender in a playoff environment where he’s targeted more in ball screens and in isolation. But for his 2019-20 as a whole, his defense was positively impactful at a high rate given his role and situation.

[GP2]

I don't know much about the LEBRON stat, but it seems like it gets skewed easily by overall team performance. Am I really supposed to believe that 4 of the top 13 players in the EC are on the Cavs?

Is this a measure of player talent?

No! LEBRON, like all other impact metrics, are estimates of the total impact a player has on their team. This is a function of their talent, role/usage/deployment, team scheme, and fit within lineups.

Because of this, we may see players higher or lower than their true talent levels based on their individual circumstances. We might see role players perfectly optimized show up higher than they would on another team. We might also see players used poorly show up lower than their talent might suggest they should be.

Change the context even within the same season and you can impact LEBRON values. Hassan Whiteside, for example, becomes a far less positively impactful defender in a playoff environment where he’s targeted more in ball screens and in isolation. But for his 2019-20 as a whole, his defense was positively impactful at a high rate given his role and situation.

I'm struggling to see the point of the metric if it has that much variability.

[ATLTimekeeper]

So KAT is a top player in the league and acquired for Julius Randle and a highly overrated rotation guard? I like this list.

[MoneyBall]

I don't know much about the LEBRON stat, but it seems like it gets skewed easily by overall team performance. Am I really supposed to believe that 4 of the top 13 players in the EC are on the Cavs?

Is this a measure of player talent?

No! LEBRON, like all other impact metrics, are estimates of the total impact a player has on their team. This is a function of their talent, role/usage/deployment, team scheme, and fit within lineups.

Because of this, we may see players higher or lower than their true talent levels based on their individual circumstances. We might see role players perfectly optimized show up higher than they would on another team. We might also see players used poorly show up lower than their talent might suggest they should be.

Change the context even within the same season and you can impact LEBRON values. Hassan Whiteside, for example, becomes a far less positively impactful defender in a playoff environment where he’s targeted more in ball screens and in isolation. But for his 2019-20 as a whole, his defense was positively impactful at a high rate given his role and situation.

Thanks for sharing. Not sure why any Raptors fan should care about this metric in a rebuilding year.

[EG73]

Aldama’s LEBRON > LeBron’s LEBRON

[hype_2004]

**** LeBron

[Clay Davis]

Scottie out-rizzing LeBron on LEBRON. Holy omfg...

[TimeForChange]

The fact that Demar is on this list shows you how flawed this metric is

[YogurtProducer]

Seems like PGs get slammed on the Lebron-D stat.

Well, yeah. PGs are typically some of your worst defenders with no size to switch.

Some are good though. White and Mitcehll on the top list are essentially PGs.

FVV is at +1.12 on the 2nd, Harden at 0.95,

[ItsDanger]

Seems like PGs get slammed on the Lebron-D stat.

Well, yeah. PGs are typically some of your worst defenders with no size to switch.

Some are good though. White and Mitcehll on the top list are essentially PGs.

FVV is at +1.12 on the 2nd, Harden at 0.95,

Then provide a stat by position, its clearly biased in that area. Don't bother arguing this point either.

[Raps in 4]

I know the EPM guy doesn't share his calculation since he sells subscriptions, but I always found his numbers to better match the eye test/results than LEBRON.

I still think the best RAPM stat to date was RPM while Englemann worked at ESPN (ESPN changed the formula and ruined it after he left).

[YogurtProducer]

Seems like PGs get slammed on the Lebron-D stat.

Well, yeah. PGs are typically some of your worst defenders with no size to switch.

Some are good though. White and Mitcehll on the top list are essentially PGs.

FVV is at +1.12 on the 2nd, Harden at 0.95,

Then provide a stat by position, its clearly biased in that area. Don't bother arguing this point either.

Sure, you can easily filter it if your like.

But if you read the table you can see that PGs also have drastically more control over the offensive part of the game, and as a result have higher LEBRON-O ratings, and the whole stat is sorted by LEBRON (not only O or D) and is just providing those stats for informative purposes.

Not sure why I cant argue the point - you just really hate and cant stand anyone disputing your constant (false) claims.

Edit: The stats also pretty clearly show how it is hard for one person to impact D, as much as they can impact O.

[ItsDanger]

Well, yeah. PGs are typically some of your worst defenders with no size to switch.

Some are good though. White and Mitcehll on the top list are essentially PGs.

FVV is at +1.12 on the 2nd, Harden at 0.95,

Then provide a stat by position, its clearly biased in that area. Don't bother arguing this point either.

Sure, you can easily filter it if your like.

But if you read the table you can see that PGs also have drastically more control over the offensive part of the game, and as a result have higher LEBRON-O ratings, and the whole stat is sorted by LEBRON (not only O or D) and is just providing those stats for informative purposes.

Not sure why I cant argue the point - you just really hate and cant stand anyone disputing your constant (false) claims.

Edit: The stats also pretty clearly show how it is hard for one person to impact D, as much as they can impact O.

Therefore, you agree with my original point essentially. There is no further discussion required.