The Jokic Trade

Godymas · Post #1 » by **Godymas** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 12:31 am

Jokic asks out, he realizes that Denver is screwed, no one is going to save their roster, he has nothing left to give the city.

Scenario 1: Houston waits until the Sengun extension kicks in. Trade happens in the off-season, Jokic is at $55M

Houston sends:
Alperen Sengun ($34M)
Reed Sheppard ($10M)
Jock Landale ($8M)
Cam Whitmore ($3M)

2027 1st round pick (own, top 3 protected) 2027 1st round pick via PHX, 2028 1st round Pick

PG - Fred Vanvleet
SG - Jalen Green
SF - Dillon Brooks
PF - Amen Thompson
C - Jokic

Bench: Jabari Smith Jr, Tari Eason, Aaron Holiday, Jae'Sean Tate, Steven Adams (vet Min)

Scenario 2: OKC cashes in the chips, and does their former MVP right

OKC sends

Isaiah Hartenstein ($28M)
Lu Dort ($17M)
Isaiah Joe ($12M)

2025 pick via Utah, 2025 pick via Miami, 2025 pick via Philadelphia, 2025 pick via Houston/LAC, OWN 2025 unprotected (yes I know)
2026 pick via Hou/LAC, 2027 pick BACK to Denver,
2028 OWN 1st round pick 2028 2nd round pick via MIL, 2028 2nd round pick via Utah
2030 OWN pick unprotected

Denver sends

Jokic ($51M)
Russell Wesbtrook ($3M)
Dario Saric ($5M)

PG - SGA
SG - Alex Caruso
SF - Jalen Williams
PF - Chet
C - Jokic

Bench: Westbrook, Aaron Wiggins, Cason Wallace

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 1:07 am

OP is not even close for either proposal

Post #3 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 1:30 am

Jokic can ask, but Denver isn't saying yes.

JRoy · Post #4 » by **JRoy** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 1:34 am

The best player in the league in his prime will cost more.

sca · Post #5 » by **sca** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 1:57 am

Yeah, I imagine it’d take at least Chet + some assets if OKC wanted to trade for him.

LarsV8 · Post #6 » by **LarsV8** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:25 am

Sengun + Reed + picks package should be competitive too any other offer out there.

FVV / Holiday
Green / Whitmore
Brooks / Amen
Jabari / Eason
Jokic / Adams

wemby · Post #7 » by **wemby** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:39 am

sca wrote:Yeah, I imagine it’d take at least Chet + some assets if OKC wanted to trade for him.

I'd say Chet + JDubb, I don't think people realize how big the difference is between Jokic and anyone on OKC's roster... SGA included.

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:39 am

I think Jokic is worth 15-20 unprotected 1sts in value, so a team has to be willing to leverage ALL of its picks and at least half of its valuable players. e.g. OKC would need to do Chet + all the picks it owns. Houston probably needs to do Sengun + Smith + Sheppard + Whitmore + Eason + all of the picks it owns. Other teams hoping to muster the value would need to get really creative, Utah doesn't have elite young talent and has less picks than OKC, San Antonio might not be able to muster the value trading everyone and everything that isn't Wemby ... I don't see another team with the asset base, frankly.

wemby · Post #9 » by **wemby** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:40 am

LarsV8 wrote:Sengun + Reed + picks package should be competitive too any other offer out there.

Not for Jokic, it isn't. Nuggets would have to be on drugs to take that deal.

wemby · Post #10 » by **wemby** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:43 am

babyjax13 wrote:I think Jokic is worth 15-20 unprotected 1sts in value, so a team has to be willing to leverage ALL of its picks and at least half of its valuable players. e.g. OKC would need to do Chet + all the picks it owns. Houston probably needs to do Sengun + Smith + Sheppard + Whitmore + Eason + all of the picks it owns. Other teams hoping to muster the value would need to get really creative, Utah doesn't have elite young talent and has less picks than OKC, San Antonio might not be able to muster the value trading everyone and everything that isn't Wemby ... I don't see another team with the asset base, frankly.

I think Rockets would have to give Nuggets 3 players OF THEIR CHOICE (yes, including Amen and Eason) plus picks. Jokic is one of the best players ever and he could remain at this level for 5+ years easily. You don't get to put Amen Thompson off limits for that.

Post #11 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:46 am

Wemby+Vassell for Jokic

wemby · Post #12 » by **wemby** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:52 am

zimpy27 wrote:Wemby+Vassell for Jokic

Makes no sense for the Spurs, the team isn't a contender even with Jokic if you take Wemby away, so it's better to keep developing Wemby and hoping he fulfills his immense potential. No sense in rushing the timeline.

nomansland · Post #13 » by **nomansland** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 4:30 pm

Despite the fact that the Nuggets are not trading Jokic, OP's deals are laughable.

BlazersBroncos · Post #14 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 4:36 pm

Ya the 2 OP ideas are way, way light.

Post #15 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 4:49 pm

There’s no realism to this because Denver isn’t trading Joker at all. OKC would need to put in Chet and JDub and I’m probably fine with that, given how good Joker is.

But I think he’s also a huge wildcard, and someone I would not be surprised to see retire anytime in the next few years out of nowhere. Would make me a little worried about paying the price needed.

Again, this is all hypothetical.

Thaddy · Post #16 » by **Thaddy** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 4:59 pm

OKC would be the best super team in the history of the sports world.

ChettheJet · Post #17 » by **ChettheJet** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 5:27 pm

If Jokic asked for a trade it's probably time for DEN to do much more and they take a step back. Their team is built around Jokic so they can't just find 2 or 3 guys in return to stay where they are, they could should get an extra pick for each of the next 2-3 years and get back some young guys. The next deal would likely be MPJ, possibly Gordon and if somebody wanted Murray because how happy is he going to be by himself.

Not to be ruled out is that Jokic has teams he'd be willing to go to and some not.

I'd look at a 3-4 team deal where the other 2-3 teams swing salary around and send picks and potential to DEN. I'd be looking at WC teams that see a playoff opening if they can get a high level right now player to help their playoff chances from the other teams by sending kids and some of their extra picks to DEN. This gives DEN assets but cuts them down in the playoffs.

I know nobody thinks the Bulls can get in on this but sending Lavine and Vucevic, Carter, maybe White or Dosunmu, that PORT pick (especially if they're in the trade) to playoff teams they get Jokic and his huge long contract and they regroup with Giddey, Williams, Smith, Buzelis, Ball, Phillips, Craig, Duarte, THT. Most of which aren't impressive adds for any teams.

JMAC3 · Post #18 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 5:39 pm

The Houston package seems pretty terrible, Reed and Whitmore as the prospects going back is pretty terrible when Houston gets to hold Amen, Eason, Jabari and Green.

Sheppard value right now has to be pretty low. Not only are his numbers terrible but he can't even beat out Aaron Holiday for consistent playing time.

Post #19 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 5:51 pm

I mean we're talking about one of the top 25-30 players ALL TIME in the middle of his prime here. This is the equivalent of Tim Duncan demanding a trade in 2004.

It's going to take a lot more than one good young player and a pile of picks/prospects. Basically take whatever you're comfortable offering and then double it.

Mrakar · Post #20 » by **Mrakar** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:38 pm

Any offer that doesnt start with Doncic/Wemby/Giannis/SGA/Tatum/Ant should have at least 6 unprotected 1st rounders and really good young player.
Let me remind you that KD to Suns was 4 1st rounders, swap and Mikal + Cam Johnson which ended up as 8 1st rounders, swap and Cam Johnson. And that was 34 year old Kevin Durant. Jokic is worth at least 4-5 1st rounders more on top of that.