Wait Draymond coming off bench is permanent?

[watch1958]

This move is so bad on so many different levels. Mixed messages with this move

We don't care about defense.
We don't care about shooting.
Steph you aren't good enough anymore.
Dray, you aren't good enough anymore.
Wiggs, you're just not playing good enough.
Etc..etc..

Kerr is clearly prioritizing jk and his extension (sounds like klay all over again). Dray didn't volunteer to do this. He didn't suggest it either. He was basically told to try it by kerr, and he accepted it.

He may be prioritizing JK’s trade value. Lots of players become trade eligible in a week.

[vvoland]

This move is so bad on so many different levels. Mixed messages with this move

We don't care about defense.
We don't care about shooting.
Steph you aren't good enough anymore.
Dray, you aren't good enough anymore.
Wiggs, you're just not playing good enough.
Etc..etc..

Kerr is clearly prioritizing jk and his extension (sounds like klay all over again). Dray didn't volunteer to do this. He didn't suggest it either. He was basically told to try it by kerr, and he accepted it.

He may be prioritizing JK’s trade value. Lots of players become trade eligible in a week.

It's a bit of a catch-22. If he plays poorly, he'll have cratered his value. If he plays well enough to get back an impact player, he's probably playing well enough to be much of what we need (e.g. Houston game).

[superunknown]

I think it's time for this fanbase to realize that the 2022 title was the cherry-on-top of an amazing dynastic run.

Steph got his 4 titles and his olympic gold medal in the offseason to cap an epic run of dominance that looks to be wanning.

This team needs a number 1 more than Steph needs a running mate....with Curry's knees barking he just doesn't look like he is able to be a number 1 anymore on a contending team.

Draymond can no longer cover the same area on defense that he used to be able to and shows bursts of energy but often jogs around the court.

It looks like the Warriors dodged a bullet by not trading the farm for PG or Lauri as neither one of them is a number 1 for a contending team, IMO, and were not worth trading multiple FRP's and gutting the teams depth to acquire.

As fans, our bellies should be full and we should be fully sated at this point.

kuminga and podz (and TJD) are not the answer anyway.
they are not the future of a contending team by any means, and in the case of kuminga we are also talking about a player who is (allegedelly) seeking a 35-40M$ a year extension. again, there is no reasonable cause to keep him, regardless of steph's knees or draymond aging.
hold on to them has been just a mistake. it's time for the FO to realize that.

Cool, trade them, just don't attach 4 FRP's to them for an over the hill guy like PG/Jimmy Butler or a guy like Lauri who will never be a No. 1 on a contending team.

I don't understand what this has to do with the fact that kuminga and podz are not the answer under any circumstances.
they are not guys you can build on for the future once steph retires (again, kuminga is seeking a 200M extension) or that can be effective role players in a contender.
if you are looking for the main guys of another great team you should look somewhere else, if you are looking for someone that can be instrumental in another title run with steph & co. like livingston or OPJ you should look somewhere else. bottom line is you trade them regardless. GS has no use for them in any scenario, some other team might have.

[superunknown]

If this is the case, this seems like a showcase for the next few weeks to show off Podz and Kuminga to potential trade suitors.

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

I think there were plenty of people around the league, not just within the org, that were very high on podz and, to a lesser extent, JK. Just what "very high" means is debatable but teams were inquiring/asking for them so there was value.

It has certainly been a mistake they've repeated with their picks, poole, Wiseman, jk, moody, and podz. They were able to win one championship while making those mistakes so I wouldn't lambast them with real vigor, but I think everyone agrees those were big mistakes.

Not sure how much going back into the 2nd apron was a possibility this season so the entire conversation might be moot. They've certainly signaled for a while that their goal was to get out of it last summer. That's probably what I would be most upset with lacob with. If he really is penny pinching now, after seeing the franchise value go from 325m to 9,000m and raking in 750-900m in revenue annually, I'll join the mob.

you basically draw the conclusion
this FO sh** the bed big time and it did it mostly because of arrogance and pride.
if there were team inquiring/asking about kuminga and podz, that was the moment to trade them. sell high some asset that likely won't increase in value and are a question mark (kuminga also because his contract status. podz because it could have been another tyreke evans case, a player who has the best season of his career in his rookie season. it happens sometimes, it's not the exception).

if they didn't trade them because they really believe they are in the presence of some future all of famers you can build the next dynasty on, well, it's not big mistakes, it's not knowing what is going on around you.
kuminga hasn't shown that potential that makes you think about a franchise player, and podz has played only 1 year in the league, so you have no elements to predict that anyway.
if the reason was penny pinching, well, kuminga is seeking a 200M contract extension, so you should trade him if you have no intention to extend him unless you have already in the bag a sign-and-trade with another team for a disgruntled star. and if you are going to extend him for the numbers he is seeking (30M-35M for the next 5 years) without a sign-and-trade in place, again, you are blind-betting because he hasn't shown you he is worth that investment.
This front office has no justifications whatsoever.

[East Bay Sports]

There is no chance Draymond comes off the bench long term this season. If Kuminga plays well as a starter (lol, long shot) Dray will either be the smallball 5 or they will try the awful big ball lineup from earlier in the season with Wiggins at the 2 and Kum at the 3. Both stink. Kuminga needs to lead the bench unit. My overall thoughts of him as a player aside he doesn't shoot he ball consistently enough to play in lineups with Dray and a 5 like Loon or TJD.

[Old_Blue]

By having Draymond watching the game and getting frustrated prior to playing, you increase the percentage of his minutes played in angry mode. In theory, this should result in quicker resort to flailing limbs, technical fouls and ejections. More games you can tune out of prior to the fourth quarter. Efficient use of chaos. Does this qualify as "light years?"

[Jax_23]

It's cute that some of you still think this team is a running mate away from contending.

Obviously depends on how good the running mate is. Curry is 36, Draymond 34.

Kareem was 41, Jason Kidd was 38, and Tim Duncan was 37 when they won their final championship. Obviously they weren't the focal points anymore, but still big contributors.

You said Lauri isn't a #1 on a contenter, but he was never expected to be on this team. Curry is still a vibrant #1 and Lauri could be a great #2.

For the next 1-2 years, a base of:

Curry
(trade for #2 scoring option all star) / Lauri
Draymond
Kuminga (if he steps it up /continues to develop)

is a decent base that maybe isn't the favorite to win it all, but could make enough noise in the playoffs to have a chance.

[EvanZ]

The interesting thing is that it looks like when Wiggins comes back we will see:

Steph/Wiggins/JK/Draymond

Looks like Buddy will be the 2, so this lineup is one that Onus had mentioned before and we might actually be close to getting. I still wish we could see Moody in there, but he is once again in the dog house.

[Jester_]

The interesting thing is that it looks like when Wiggins comes back we will see:

Steph/Wiggins/JK/Draymond

Looks like Buddy will be the 2, so this lineup is one that Onus had mentioned before and we might actually be close to getting. I still wish we could see Moody in there, but he is once again in the dog house.

Kerr's entire career is falling ass backwards into good lineups thanks to injury, dating all the way back to only starting Dray once Lee went down, so this tracks

[Onus]

The interesting thing is that it looks like when Wiggins comes back we will see:

Steph/Wiggins/JK/Draymond

Looks like Buddy will be the 2, so this lineup is one that Onus had mentioned before and we might actually be close to getting. I still wish we could see Moody in there, but he is once again in the dog house.

Moody got re-injured in this game apparently

[Onus]

The interesting thing is that it looks like when Wiggins comes back we will see:

Steph/Wiggins/JK/Draymond

Looks like Buddy will be the 2, so this lineup is one that Onus had mentioned before and we might actually be close to getting. I still wish we could see Moody in there, but he is once again in the dog house.

Kerr's entire career is falling ass backwards into good lineups thanks to injury, dating all the way back to only starting Dray once Lee went down, so this tracks

I wonder how much of it is based on contracts / development / front office / egos. The one thing we know it's not based on analytics, which is scary.

Last year was definitely based on ego.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The interesting thing is that it looks like when Wiggins comes back we will see:

Steph/Wiggins/JK/Draymond

Looks like Buddy will be the 2, so this lineup is one that Onus had mentioned before and we might actually be close to getting. I still wish we could see Moody in there, but he is once again in the dog house.

Kerr's entire career is falling ass backwards into good lineups thanks to injury, dating all the way back to only starting Dray once Lee went down, so this tracks

I wonder how much of it is based on contracts / development / front office / egos. The one thing we know it's not based on analytics, which is scary.

Last year was definitely based on ego.

I think some of his decisions could be based on analytics, but kerr chooses the analytics that match his eyes.

A few of us in the minority have stated for a couple of seasons now that jk isnt a wing. The analytics back up that he isnt a wing and is much more productive as a 4. They seemed to have abandoned the JK as a Sf now and a bulk of his minutes the last few games have been as a PF.

TJD is another, I hope the decision to dnp him last game was analytics driven rather than match ups. We will see in the Houston game.

Podz, not closing was another.

Steph and heild together might be another.

Wiggs being put in his proper role on defense has to be analytics driven.

[SpreeS]

The interesting thing is that it looks like when Wiggins comes back we will see:

Steph/Wiggins/JK/Draymond

Looks like Buddy will be the 2, so this lineup is one that Onus had mentioned before and we might actually be close to getting. I still wish we could see Moody in there, but he is once again in the dog house.

Steph/Wiggs/Kuminga/Green + guard

Last year +16 nrtg
This year +24 nrtg

Why? Why doesn’t Kerr play this unit constantly? And I am talking about this lineup second year in a row.

[Onus]

Kerr's entire career is falling ass backwards into good lineups thanks to injury, dating all the way back to only starting Dray once Lee went down, so this tracks

I wonder how much of it is based on contracts / development / front office / egos. The one thing we know it's not based on analytics, which is scary.

Last year was definitely based on ego.

I think some of his decisions could be based on analytics, but kerr chooses the analytics that match his eyes.

A few of us in the minority have stated for a couple of seasons now that jk isnt a wing. The analytics back up that he isnt a wing and is much more productive as a 4. They seemed to have abandoned the JK as a Sf now and a bulk of his minutes the last few games have been as a PF.

TJD is another, I hope the decision to dnp him last game was analytics driven rather than match ups. We will see in the Houston game.

Podz, not closing was another.

Steph and heild together might be another.

Wiggs being put in his proper role on defense has to be analytics driven.

JK is a unique player. He's has issues that make him not a wing and not a 4. We don't have the personnel for him to thrive as a wing so he has to play the 4 here.

Kerr did say that the analytics department suggested buddy and gp2 to start ... just needed a 5 game losing streak to listen to them.

[EvanZ]

Kerr's entire career is falling ass backwards into good lineups thanks to injury, dating all the way back to only starting Dray once Lee went down, so this tracks

I wonder how much of it is based on contracts / development / front office / egos. The one thing we know it's not based on analytics, which is scary.

Last year was definitely based on ego.

I think some of his decisions could be based on analytics, but kerr chooses the analytics that match his eyes.

A few of us in the minority have stated for a couple of seasons now that jk isnt a wing. The analytics back up that he isnt a wing and is much more productive as a 4. They seemed to have abandoned the JK as a Sf now and a bulk of his minutes the last few games have been as a PF.

TJD is another, I hope the decision to dnp him last game was analytics driven rather than match ups. We will see in the Houston game.

Podz, not closing was another.

Steph and heild together might be another.

Wiggs being put in his proper role on defense has to be analytics driven.

I mean to be fair Kerr himself has always said JK is a 4. We always knew the politics and player preferences would be tricky with JK and Draymond.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I wonder how much of it is based on contracts / development / front office / egos. The one thing we know it's not based on analytics, which is scary.

Last year was definitely based on ego.

I think some of his decisions could be based on analytics, but kerr chooses the analytics that match his eyes.

A few of us in the minority have stated for a couple of seasons now that jk isnt a wing. The analytics back up that he isnt a wing and is much more productive as a 4. They seemed to have abandoned the JK as a Sf now and a bulk of his minutes the last few games have been as a PF.

TJD is another, I hope the decision to dnp him last game was analytics driven rather than match ups. We will see in the Houston game.

Podz, not closing was another.

Steph and heild together might be another.

Wiggs being put in his proper role on defense has to be analytics driven.

JK is a unique player. He's has issues that make him not a wing and not a 4. We don't have the personnel for him to thrive as a wing so he has to play the 4 here.

Kerr did say that the analytics department suggested buddy and gp2 to start ... just needed a 5 game losing streak to listen to them.

Its not unique. Jk is a tweener. A draft tale as old as time.

[whatisacenter]

I think some of his decisions could be based on analytics, but kerr chooses the analytics that match his eyes.

A few of us in the minority have stated for a couple of seasons now that jk isnt a wing. The analytics back up that he isnt a wing and is much more productive as a 4. They seemed to have abandoned the JK as a Sf now and a bulk of his minutes the last few games have been as a PF.

TJD is another, I hope the decision to dnp him last game was analytics driven rather than match ups. We will see in the Houston game.

Podz, not closing was another.

Steph and heild together might be another.

Wiggs being put in his proper role on defense has to be analytics driven.

JK is a unique player. He's has issues that make him not a wing and not a 4. We don't have the personnel for him to thrive as a wing so he has to play the 4 here.

Kerr did say that the analytics department suggested buddy and gp2 to start ... just needed a 5 game losing streak to listen to them.

Its not unique. Jk is a tweener. A draft tale as old as time.

Curry and Draymond were tweeners as well.

Not saying that JK will ever develop into anything but a "tweener" is not always a bad thing.

[Onus]

I think some of his decisions could be based on analytics, but kerr chooses the analytics that match his eyes.

A few of us in the minority have stated for a couple of seasons now that jk isnt a wing. The analytics back up that he isnt a wing and is much more productive as a 4. They seemed to have abandoned the JK as a Sf now and a bulk of his minutes the last few games have been as a PF.

TJD is another, I hope the decision to dnp him last game was analytics driven rather than match ups. We will see in the Houston game.

Podz, not closing was another.

Steph and heild together might be another.

Wiggs being put in his proper role on defense has to be analytics driven.

JK is a unique player. He's has issues that make him not a wing and not a 4. We don't have the personnel for him to thrive as a wing so he has to play the 4 here.

Kerr did say that the analytics department suggested buddy and gp2 to start ... just needed a 5 game losing streak to listen to them.

Its not unique. Jk is a tweener. A draft tale as old as time.

You put JK on a team like Boston and he can play the 3.

[vvoland]

JK is a unique player. He's has issues that make him not a wing and not a 4. We don't have the personnel for him to thrive as a wing so he has to play the 4 here.

Kerr did say that the analytics department suggested buddy and gp2 to start ... just needed a 5 game losing streak to listen to them.

Its not unique. Jk is a tweener. A draft tale as old as time.

You put JK on a team like Boston and he can play the 3.

He'd be their small ball 5 and that lineup would destroy teams.

[CDM_Stats]

JK is a unique player. He's has issues that make him not a wing and not a 4. We don't have the personnel for him to thrive as a wing so he has to play the 4 here.

Kerr did say that the analytics department suggested buddy and gp2 to start ... just needed a 5 game losing streak to listen to them.

Its not unique. Jk is a tweener. A draft tale as old as time.

You put JK on a team like Boston and he can play the 3.

Put Dray on a team like GS and he can play the 5

Players are usually labeled by where they’d play a position most.. and great majority for JK is as a 4. Tweeners are guys stuck in the middle with no position.. Podz is a tweener. Kuminga is a slashing power forward