Lakers-Nets

Post #1 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 9:31 am

Lakers get Schroeder, DFS, Sharpe

Nets get DLo, Vincent, Hayes, LAL29FRP(1-4 protected)

Lakers upgrade their roster to try contend

Nets fire up the tank for the season while getting a future FRP.

DanishLakerFan · Post #2 » by **DanishLakerFan** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 10:39 am

zimpy27 wrote:Lakers get Schroeder, DFS, Sharpe

Nets get DLo, Vincent, Hayes, LAL29FRP(1-4 protected)

Lakers upgrade their roster to try contend

Nets fire up the tank for the season while getting a future FRP.

I dont think Nets would do this. They can get assets for Schroeder and DFS without taking on money.

Post #3 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 1:33 pm

I like it.
Send Vincent to the Clippers with 2 2nds for PJT and Hyland, Clippers duck tax, get back guard and add 2 future 2nds to ise next year with expirings...

Post #4 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:14 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Lakers get Schroeder, DFS, Sharpe

Nets get DLo, Vincent, Hayes, LAL29FRP(1-4 protected)

Lakers upgrade their roster to try contend

Nets fire up the tank for the season while getting a future FRP.

I dont think Nets would do this. They can get assets for Schroeder and DFS without taking on money.

I don't think they're getting a pick as attractive as this one for any of these guys. If the Nets are firm on their no future salary back position, there just aren't that many teams with expiring contracts who are willing to attach a first to them. If they find one, it will almost certainly be lotto protected.

I'm a broken record, but the Lakers really need to stop eating the seed corn. What's the optimistic projection for them after this trade?

DarkXaero · Post #5 » by **DarkXaero** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:58 pm

Nets are not doing this. All 3 players there hold positive value to Nets and they would net more in individual trades.

JKiddy · Post #6 » by **JKiddy** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 3:20 pm

Zimpy why do you troll the Nets so hard? What did we do to you?

OutsidetheNBA · Post #7 » by **OutsidetheNBA** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 6:43 pm

DarkXaero wrote:Nets are not doing this. All 3 players there hold positive value to Nets and they would net more in individual trades.

What are the values you think each of these players have?

I would have it:

Schroeder - Expiring 31-year-old journeyman point guard having a good season: 1-2 2nds
DFS - Likely expiring 31-year-old 3&D - late 1st or 2-3 2nds
Sharpe - Young, expiring back-up center who has played 3 games this season - 2 2nds

I would take a lightly protected '29 Lakers pick over that combined value. I'll eat a lot of crow if, say, Schroeder returns a 1st without the Nets taking back a bad multi-year contract.

OutsidetheNBA · Post #8 » by **OutsidetheNBA** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 6:46 pm

I'm a broken record, but if I'm the Lakers I'm not trading another future 1st unless the return makes them a contender and/or it's a player that could contribute for several years.

I'd rather unprotect the '29 pick and add a swap or 2nds to get Cam Johnson then settle for this package. At least Cam could potentially contribute in 2029.

Post #9 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:36 pm

JKiddy wrote:Zimpy why do you troll the Nets so hard? What did we do to you?

Well I thought you were willing to trade these players, is that not true?

I'm simply offering the likely value. Similar to the Westbrook trade to Utah.

JKiddy · Post #10 » by **JKiddy** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:40 pm

Okay, fair enough. BK would not trade all of those players for the LAL's lesser players for any protections on a 1st round pick. That would be a non-starter for them. I would also assume you would have to remove DLO and Sharpe from this deal and then we can probably get more down to brass here.

Post #11 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:52 pm

JKiddy wrote:Okay, fair enough. BK would not trade all of those players for the LAL's lesser players for any protections on a 1st round pick. That would be a non-starter for them. I would also assume you would have to remove DLO and Sharpe from this deal and then we can probably get more down to brass here.

Removing protection is possible.

Removing DLo isn't possible. Plus he's expiring, I think Nets would want him back.

Are you not willing to trade Sharpe?

JKiddy · Post #12 » by **JKiddy** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:53 pm

The Nets value Sharpe now much more than other teams. They need to have him play key minutes as Claxton is rested and healed up. I think this season and in the future they will need him and understand this. I do not think they are looking to move Sharpe now.

ejftw · Post #13 » by **ejftw** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 8:13 pm

I've heard that Sharpe would start on any team, Schroeder is worth two firsts and DFS is still elite, so this is really short.

Really though, the value is there with a team to take on Vincent for an expiring. Just hope the Clips aren't the ones to do so with PJ and Bones, at least not for two seconds. Still think they could snag a second for Bones and Vincent will take two to clear, though could be off there.

Residual-Heat · Post #14 » by **Residual-Heat** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 8:23 pm

i like it. Solid role players for Lakers, and a potentially high pick for the Nets.

giberish · Post #15 » by **giberish** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 9:27 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Lakers get Schroeder, DFS, Sharpe

Nets get DLo, Vincent, Hayes, LAL29FRP(1-4 protected)

Lakers upgrade their roster to try contend

Nets fire up the tank for the season while getting a future FRP.

I dont think Nets would do this. They can get assets for Schroeder and DFS without taking on money.

I don't think they're getting a pick as attractive as this one for any of these guys. If the Nets are firm on their no future salary back position, there just aren't that many teams with expiring contracts who are willing to attach a first to them. If they find one, it will almost certainly be lotto protected.

I'm a broken record, but the Lakers really need to stop eating the seed corn. What's the optimistic projection for them after this trade?

I agree on both counts.

The Nets could get 'more' assets selling them individually, but would they really value 6 2nds over one pretty good 1st?

On the other had this increases the chances of the Lakers making the playoffs but doesn't make them title contenders. 2nd round playoff contenders at best. With a rebuild inevitable owing future 1sts further out is really bad.

JKiddy · Post #16 » by **JKiddy** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 10:19 pm

Schroeder likely nets you a first at the end of the round.
DFS likely gets you 1 1st at the very end of the round or 3 2nds.
Sharpe likely nets the same as DFS.

This is why this trade is not the best for BK. Sharpe is also needed on BK for the future. I do not think they will sell him at his lowest point now.

The other two I can see them likely moving to a contender who can use them for a deep playoff run.

Post #17 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 11:11 pm

JKiddy wrote:Schroeder likely nets you a first at the end of the round.
DFS likely gets you 1 1st at the very end of the round or 3 2nds.
Sharpe likely nets the same as DFS.

This is why this trade is not the best for BK. Sharpe is also needed on BK for the future. I do not think they will sell him at his lowest point now.

The other two I can see them likely moving to a contender who can use them for a deep playoff run.

Pick 26+29 might get you pick 21. Lakers 2029 FRP is likely netting you pick 10-14.

Post #18 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 11:29 pm

JKiddy wrote:Schroeder likely nets you a first at the end of the round.
DFS likely gets you 1 1st at the very end of the round or 3 2nds.
Sharpe likely nets the same as DFS.

This is why this trade is not the best for BK. Sharpe is also needed on BK for the future. I do not think they will sell him at his lowest point now.

The other two I can see them likely moving to a contender who can use them for a deep playoff run.

We're less than 45 days away from the deadline so if you're going to be setting your expectations this high, it might be time for you to start identifying the trade partners with first round picks and expiring contracts who are going to offer those things for these players. It's a fantasy board, but sooner rather than later, this is going to cease to be a theoretical exercise resulting in the best possible return.

jayjaysee · Post #19 » by **jayjaysee** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 11:29 pm

Yeah, there’s no crystal ball but I would take the LAL first over what the market will likely provide for the trio.

Say bcs 5 picks between 26-46. Bicker from there. I would take the upside variance of a pick from LAL rebuilding without their own picks versus that. Especially for Brooklyn given they already own a decent amount of mid-late projected firsts as is. They need the upside swing as much as any team in league..

For LAL, I think this would be a mistake. That trio isn’t saving this group. You don’t further the pick debt for that.

JMAC3 · Post #20 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 9, 2024 11:44 pm

Schroder was free last year, that was with an extra year of control. The Raptors couldn't even get 1 2nd round pick for him. They sent him for buyout salary dump in Dinwiddie.

He was also given away when he was on the Celtics for a part-time player in Daniel Theis, again zero draft picks exchanged.

Even when he was traded to Thunder, he was a throw-in, that deal was all about dumping Carmelo bad contract on the Hawks.

I don't think the NBA is all of a sudden teams are just dying to add him at age 31 for a 3 month rental, could he be worth a few 2nds? Yeah maybe but this talk about him going from being worthless to now all of sudden a line of suitors willing to pay a 1st rounder is just going to be really far from the truth.

I am very confident no team is giving up a first rounder for Schroder.