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With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#741 » by Psubs » Sun Dec 8, 2024 3:33 am

raptorforlife88 wrote:I would not have guessed he would be hitting some threes at this point. He hit zero his entire college career. He's hit 7 so far, and in a obviously ridiculously small sample size, but he's hitting them at 39% after tonight.

Impressively quick work to get the makings of a jumper going for Mogbo. Have to see how it holds up over the season, but him hitting threes will raise his ceiling.


He could be like Robert Horry now.

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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#742 » by Thaddy » Sun Dec 8, 2024 3:50 am

Mogbo needs more minutes and I want to see him using his reach to his advantage. We need to give him more minutes and develop him. I would honestly consider starting him over Barrett.

Barrett doesn't deserve to be a starter. He isn't a primary POA defender, and he can't shoot. Defense and shooting are fundamentals that build a foundation for a good prospect. Once they show that you can expand their game. RJ is the other way around where he can do extra stuff but lacks the primary skills needed to be a positive impact player.

Start Mogbo we need a POA defender that can guard both forwards and guards. As good as Agbaji has been he can't guard bigger players.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#743 » by LoganAndWade » Sun Dec 8, 2024 5:30 am

Thaddy wrote:Mogbo needs more minutes and I want to see him using his reach to his advantage. We need to give him more minutes and develop him. I would honestly consider starting him over Barrett.

Barrett doesn't deserve to be a starter. He isn't a primary POA defender, and he can't shoot. Defense and shooting are fundamentals that build a foundation for a good prospect. Once they show that you can expand their game. RJ is the other way around where he can do extra stuff but lacks the primary skills needed to be a positive impact player.

Start Mogbo we need a POA defender that can guard both forwards and guards. As good as Agbaji has been he can't guard bigger players.


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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#744 » by Thaddy » Sun Dec 8, 2024 7:50 am

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Thaddy wrote:Mogbo needs more minutes and I want to see him using his reach to his advantage. We need to give him more minutes and develop him. I would honestly consider starting him over Barrett.

Barrett doesn't deserve to be a starter. He isn't a primary POA defender, and he can't shoot. Defense and shooting are fundamentals that build a foundation for a good prospect. Once they show that you can expand their game. RJ is the other way around where he can do extra stuff but lacks the primary skills needed to be a positive impact player.

Start Mogbo we need a POA defender that can guard both forwards and guards. As good as Agbaji has been he can't guard bigger players.


:crazy: :crazy:

You can hate the idea all you want but it would immediately make our transition and man defense better.

The added benefit on offense is that Dick, Barnes, and Quickely would be taking more shots and that's generally what you would want for an efficient offense.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#745 » by RoteSchroder » Sun Dec 8, 2024 12:35 pm

Thaddy wrote:
LoganAndWade wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Mogbo needs more minutes and I want to see him using his reach to his advantage. We need to give him more minutes and develop him. I would honestly consider starting him over Barrett.

Barrett doesn't deserve to be a starter. He isn't a primary POA defender, and he can't shoot. Defense and shooting are fundamentals that build a foundation for a good prospect. Once they show that you can expand their game. RJ is the other way around where he can do extra stuff but lacks the primary skills needed to be a positive impact player.

Start Mogbo we need a POA defender that can guard both forwards and guards. As good as Agbaji has been he can't guard bigger players.


:crazy: :crazy:

You can hate the idea all you want but it would immediately make our transition and man defense better.

The added benefit on offense is that Dick, Barnes, and Quickely would be taking more shots and that's generally what you would want for an efficient offense.


IQ and Gradey would be a worse defensive backcourt. You don’t really want Mogbo chasing around guards and IQ/Gradey defending opposing star wings either.

IQ and Gradey are also more suitable as off-ball players. You also lose pretty much the only on-ball guy who can get to the rim.

Either way, all our players are flawed in some aspect.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#746 » by Thaddy » Sun Dec 8, 2024 6:00 pm

RoteSchroder wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
LoganAndWade wrote:
:crazy: :crazy:

You can hate the idea all you want but it would immediately make our transition and man defense better.

The added benefit on offense is that Dick, Barnes, and Quickely would be taking more shots and that's generally what you would want for an efficient offense.


IQ and Gradey would be a worse defensive backcourt. You don’t really want Mogbo chasing around guards and IQ/Gradey defending opposing star wings either.

IQ and Gradey are also more suitable as off-ball players. You also lose pretty much the only on-ball guy who can get to the rim.

Either way, all our players are flawed in some aspect.

Dick is getting better on defense and he is able to stay in front of his man but closing out will always be an issue due to his wingspan. Mogbo, Barnes, and Poeltl would need to carry on defense.

Removing Barrett makes for more shots to be taken by IQ, Barnes, and Dick which is better for developing scoring ability in transition and the half court.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#747 » by Naysorn » Sun Dec 8, 2024 6:22 pm

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raptorforlife88 wrote:I would not have guessed he would be hitting some threes at this point. He hit zero his entire college career. He's hit 7 so far, and in a obviously ridiculously small sample size, but he's hitting them at 39% after tonight.

Impressively quick work to get the makings of a jumper going for Mogbo. Have to see how it holds up over the season, but him hitting threes will raise his ceiling.


He could be like Robert Horry now.

Nice Boucher DNP-CD. :D

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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#748 » by dagger » Sun Dec 8, 2024 6:58 pm

I like his potential, but he doesn't have great hands and lacks a touch around the basket.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#749 » by bonjovi0308 » Mon Dec 9, 2024 12:30 am

Surprised JM didn't play in 905?
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#750 » by HangTime » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:07 am

bonjovi0308 wrote:Surprised JM didn't play in 905?


They probably don't want him playing 3 days in a row, as we have the Knicks tomorrow.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#752 » by raptorforlife88 » Mon Dec 9, 2024 3:48 pm

That matches the eye test for Mogbo. He had that possession after the Raptors were continually getting torched by Kyrie where he defended him on the perimeter and forced an airball. He's done that more than once, when he locks in it's close to impossible to get a clean shot over him.

The thing with Mogbo is that its hard for a rookie to be a positive impact player in their first year. Most of them suck. Gradey had like a BPM of -6 or something last year. It's even harder for a rookie to be a positive impact player on a terrible team, but Mogbo is managing it. He's for sure been one of the best rookies this year.

After Jared McCain, it's been Wells, Missi, Edey (pre-injury), Clingan, Knecht and Mogbo. Getting a second round pick who's performing as a top fiveish pick is great.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#753 » by MoneyBall » Mon Dec 9, 2024 6:46 pm

An underrated move by Masai is signing Mogbo to a two year + one year team option. We've got his bird rights after those three years so the risk of losing him in free agency are pretty low.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#754 » by Godaddycurse » Mon Dec 9, 2024 6:49 pm

MoneyBall wrote:An underrated move by Masai is signing Mogbo to a two year + one year team option. We've got his bird rights after those three years so the risk of losing him in free agency are pretty low.


he's an RFA after those 3 years
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#755 » by MoneyBall » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:29 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
MoneyBall wrote:An underrated move by Masai is signing Mogbo to a two year + one year team option. We've got his bird rights after those three years so the risk of losing him in free agency are pretty low.


he's an RFA after those 3 years

But would have been a UFA after 2 had Masai not opted for the option in year 3.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#756 » by dagger » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:52 pm

MoneyBall wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
MoneyBall wrote:An underrated move by Masai is signing Mogbo to a two year + one year team option. We've got his bird rights after those three years so the risk of losing him in free agency are pretty low.


he's an RFA after those 3 years

But would have been a UFA after 2 had Masai not opted for the option in year 3.


Some teams will also give a second rounder a 3+1 deal.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#757 » by MoneyBall » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:54 pm

dagger wrote:
MoneyBall wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
he's an RFA after those 3 years

But would have been a UFA after 2 had Masai not opted for the option in year 3.


Some teams will also give a second rounder a 3+1 deal.

I would guess that to be very rare.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#758 » by dagger » Mon Dec 9, 2024 8:37 pm

MoneyBall wrote:
dagger wrote:
MoneyBall wrote:But would have been a UFA after 2 had Masai not opted for the option in year 3.

cSome teams will also give a second rounder a 3+1 deal.

I would guess that to be very rare.


It's quite the opposite now, in the first half of the second round, most picks signed 3+1 deals, not fully guaranteed, of course, but with team control through three seasons. The Raptors are outliers - Shead also signed for 2+1.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#759 » by Godaddycurse » Mon Dec 9, 2024 8:49 pm

MoneyBall wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
MoneyBall wrote:An underrated move by Masai is signing Mogbo to a two year + one year team option. We've got his bird rights after those three years so the risk of losing him in free agency are pretty low.


he's an RFA after those 3 years

But would have been a UFA after 2 had Masai not opted for the option in year 3.


no he would still be RFA after 2. the difference for 2nd rounders vs 1st rounders is after 4 years they become UFA whereas FRP is still RFA after 4 years.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#760 » by MoneyBall » Mon Dec 9, 2024 9:26 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
MoneyBall wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
he's an RFA after those 3 years

But would have been a UFA after 2 had Masai not opted for the option in year 3.


no he would still be RFA after 2. the difference for 2nd rounders vs 1st rounders is after 4 years they become UFA whereas FRP is still RFA after 4 years.

I remember Tarence Mann was going to become a UFA before the Clippers extended him.

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