Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[KnixinSix]

I don’t think it’s a rim protector
I think in an ideal world - you would trade Mitch for a wing preferably a big one.

I think Precious backing up the 5 and Sims as the third center is sufficient behind Towns. I can’t see the Knicks significantly altering their style of play the last 21 games with a slow moving rim protector next to Towns in the front court.

And clearly there’s no one Thibs trust as a backup wing with Mikal and OG regularly topping 40mins a night.

And based on where they are with the 2nd apron, it’s going to have to be someone who makes $15m ish.


Maybe something like

Mitch to Sacramento
DFS to NY
Trey Lyles, Keon Ellis and Detroit 1st to BK

I think a playoff bench of Achiuwa, DFS, McBride and Cam Payne with Sims and hopefully Shamet as 10 and 11 would be nice

Any other thoughts on this potential wing?

Nance but he’s more a big
Huerter but he’s more of a 2
Herb Jones but he’s prob too expensive
Grant Williams - more of a 4/5

Thibs has mixed in multiple defenses throughout a game. Our defense last year was dominant with an elite rim protector. I definitely don't think we abandon what we are doing now but being able to play with an elite rim protector 5 will be huge for strategic stretches of the game.

I think its Kessler or Richards. Both are cheaper salaries and it won't be nearly the cost of bringing in an star or all star type player.

[KnixinSix]

I honestly believe our main target will be a rim protector first and foremost.

Kessler or Richards or Poetl. Kessler and Richards also could allow us to hold on to Mitch for another trade since their salaries are so low (unless we combine and do like a Cody Martin and Richards for Mitch and a FRP type deal)


Depth is better thought of as what does each guy bring and what do you need the most.

Right now what we have the least depth in by far is elite rim protection. And the one guy healthy that approaches that is so bad at everything else that its like playing 4 on 5 when he is on the court (Sims).

The other one that gives us that is Mitch and even if/when he makes it back his injury proneness is a huge risk for how long he will stay on the court.

I get the clamor for the additional wing. However the elite rim protector that can play at least a touch of offense (or better) is the much bigger need.

lol I just wrote a post saying the opposite. The problem with another big is how do you find the minutes if you’re trying to maximize 5-out?

Was thinking of it terms of when Mitch is back.. but rotation wise I was thinking…

Mitch and Deuce come in for KAT and Hart at the 5 minute mark

Mitch
OG
Mikal
Deuce
Brunson

KAT Achiuwa Payne come in for Mitch OG and Brunson at the 2 minute mark.

KAT
Achiuwa
Bridges
Deuce
Payne

Hart comes in for Bridges at the start of the 2nd (is there enough shooting?)

KAT
Achiuwa
Hart
Deuce
Payne

And eventually sub in the starters and sit KAT for a few minutes at some point in the second?

It’s clunky

Bowl good posts but for me its not really hard to envision:

Something like this....Rotation (minutes):
KAT(24),Kessler or Richards(24)
OG(30), Precious (10),KAT(8)
Bridges (33), OG(3), Hart(12),
Hart(22), McBride(18), Shamet (8)
Brunson (33), Payne (15)

*Kessler or Richards back up KAT and get 22+ minutes at the 5 providing higher level rim protection at strategic times in the game.

*KAT still plays 3/4 of the game at the 5 with a few at the 4 in a twin Tower lineup.

[BowlRips]

I honestly believe our main target will be a rim protector first and foremost.

Kessler or Richards or Poetl. Kessler and Richards also could allow us to hold on to Mitch for another trade since their salaries are so low (unless we combine and do like a Cody Martin and Richards for Mitch and a FRP type deal)


Depth is better thought of as what does each guy bring and what do you need the most.

Right now what we have the least depth in by far is elite rim protection. And the one guy healthy that approaches that is so bad at everything else that its like playing 4 on 5 when he is on the court (Sims).

The other one that gives us that is Mitch and even if/when he makes it back his injury proneness is a huge risk for how long he will stay on the court.

I get the clamor for the additional wing. However the elite rim protector that can play at least a touch of offense (or better) is the much bigger need.

lol I just wrote a post saying the opposite. The problem with another big is how do you find the minutes if you’re trying to maximize 5-out?

Was thinking of it terms of when Mitch is back.. but rotation wise I was thinking…

Mitch and Deuce come in for KAT and Hart at the 5 minute mark

Mitch
OG
Mikal
Deuce
Brunson

KAT Achiuwa Payne come in for Mitch OG and Brunson at the 2 minute mark.

KAT
Achiuwa
Bridges
Deuce
Payne

Hart comes in for Bridges at the start of the 2nd (is there enough shooting?)

KAT
Achiuwa
Hart
Deuce
Payne

And eventually sub in the starters and sit KAT for a few minutes at some point in the second?

It’s clunky

Bowl good posts but for me its not really hard to envision:

Something like this....Rotation (minutes):
KAT(24),Kessler or Richards(24)
OG(30), Precious (10),KAT(8)
Bridges (33), OG(3), Hart(12),
Hart(22), McBride(18), Shamet (8)
Brunson (33), Payne (15)

*Kessler or Richards back up KAT and get 22+ minutes at the 5 providing higher level rim protection at strategic times in the game.

*KAT still plays 3/4 of the game at the 5 with a few at the 4 in a twin Tower lineup.

On paper a minutes distribution works until you take a look at the lineup combos.

A Richards/Kessler/Mitch and Achiuwa lineup combo at any point of the game is not gonna happen. And even if you think it “could work” for a few minutes, it wasn’t really the point.

It would also eliminate any minutes OG and KAT play together except for for the beginning and ends of games, and honestly that’s my favorite combo on the team.

[KnixinSix]

lol I just wrote a post saying the opposite. The problem with another big is how do you find the minutes if you’re trying to maximize 5-out?

Was thinking of it terms of when Mitch is back.. but rotation wise I was thinking…

Mitch and Deuce come in for KAT and Hart at the 5 minute mark

Mitch
OG
Mikal
Deuce
Brunson

KAT Achiuwa Payne come in for Mitch OG and Brunson at the 2 minute mark.

KAT
Achiuwa
Bridges
Deuce
Payne

Hart comes in for Bridges at the start of the 2nd (is there enough shooting?)

KAT
Achiuwa
Hart
Deuce
Payne

And eventually sub in the starters and sit KAT for a few minutes at some point in the second?

It’s clunky

Bowl good posts but for me its not really hard to envision:

Something like this....Rotation (minutes):
KAT(24),Kessler or Richards(24)
OG(30), Precious (10),KAT(8)
Bridges (33), OG(3), Hart(12),
Hart(22), McBride(18), Shamet (8)
Brunson (33), Payne (15)

*Kessler or Richards back up KAT and get 22+ minutes at the 5 providing higher level rim protection at strategic times in the game.

*KAT still plays 3/4 of the game at the 5 with a few at the 4 in a twin Tower lineup.

On paper a minutes distribution works until you take a look at the lineup combos.

A Richards/Kessler/Mitch and Achiuwa lineup combo at any point of the game is not gonna happen. And even if you think it “could work” for a few minutes, it wasn’t really the point.

It would also eliminate any minutes OG and KAT play together except for for the beginning and ends of games, and honestly that’s my favorite combo on the team.

KAT right now in Thibs system has basically proven he can do practically EVERYTHING. The one caveat was rim protection. Having Mitch and even Precious to a lesser extent will take a bit of that burden off him or even better trading for a less injury prone option like Kessler/Richards/Poetl.

15 minutes KAT off the court Mitch or Trade target/Precious will play the 5
8-10 minutes KAT ON the court Mitch or Trade target/Precious will play the 5 with KAT at 4
Other 25ish minutes KAT ON the court Mitch or Trade target/ Precious will be out with KAT at 5

He will play more or less at 5vs 4 on a matchup basis coupled with the ebb and flow of each game. Some nights he'll play more at 4 and some nights more at 5.

[Clyde_Style]

OG's value is getting higher with every game

If the Knicks could get Lebron from the Lakers for OG without giving up Brunson, Hart, Bridges, and Towns, would you consider it?

I think if the Lakers and Lebron mutually consider that a trade is what is best for both parties, then I feel the Lakers would go for a new all-star defensive stud wing/4 to pair with AD and maybe a role player or two from the Knicks.

What if this year is the only year you can make the trade?

Right now, our hopes are riding on this starting lineup staying healthy and winning a championship together.

How would the rest of the guys' egos handle Lebron getting all the glory for winning his 5th championship if we did somehow trade OG for Lebron?

How would Lebron drastically alter his role to fit with the rest of the guys and play with arguably the most close-to-perfect starting lineup ever?

Very few teams where a Lebron trade is feasible. Knicks would make sense here. A Warriors trade for Lebron could have happened last year if Lebron wanted it. The Warriors were ready to do it.

Snap out of it! Jesus

It's been a week and a half since that post. I'm fine, lol

lol I was shaking you by the shoulders and splashing cold water on your face and you wouldn't wake up

[aggo]

Go get cam whitmore

[Jalen Bluntson]

Go get Duop Reath!!

[R-DAWG]

Where are the Knicks getting all these first round picks to trade that I see some guys posting? Isn't the only available "first" the Knicks can trade the protected Wizards "first" that has a good chance of being 2 second round picks unless they quickly turn things around next year?

The magical mystery fantasy trade picks that erase all of the cap/apron rules as well. They also mesmerize the opposing GM into taking whatever we offer while giving us the best possible deal imaginable. Those are the best picks to trade!

I’d be on board for seeing if we can trade Mikal to recoup 3 of the 5 picks we traded for him, admit that we have a pretender and not a contender, and instead of being all in take the next few trade cycles to build a deep, balanced roster.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Where are the Knicks getting all these first round picks to trade that I see some guys posting? Isn't the only available "first" the Knicks can trade the protected Wizards "first" that has a good chance of being 2 second round picks unless they quickly turn things around next year?

The magical mystery fantasy trade picks that erase all of the cap/apron rules as well. They also mesmerize the opposing GM into taking whatever we offer while giving us the best possible deal imaginable. Those are the best picks to trade!

I’d be on board for seeing if we can trade Mikal to recoup 3 of the 5 picks we traded for him, admit that we have a pretender and not a contender, and instead of being all in take the next few trade cycles to build a deep, balanced roster.

I'd be on board for just seeing what this team can do fully healthy. The pieces are here IMO. With this HC we won't see those picks play any time soon either. Whatever it takes to get a roster he will play 10 guys without hesitation so we don't have to keep talking about 6.5-7 man rotations. Fully healthy this team is deep.

JB/Payne/Kolek
Mikal/Deuce
Hart/Paco/Ryan
OG/Precious/Sims
KAT/Mitch/Huk

I would look for trades that prop up the depth. Backup wing upgrade. Mitch insurance. If Thibs doesn't trust the bench(rookies) he has then trade them for someone he will trust.

Go get MJ Burks! Go get TAJ!

[R-DAWG]

The magical mystery fantasy trade picks that erase all of the cap/apron rules as well. They also mesmerize the opposing GM into taking whatever we offer while giving us the best possible deal imaginable. Those are the best picks to trade!

I’d be on board for seeing if we can trade Mikal to recoup 3 of the 5 picks we traded for him, admit that we have a pretender and not a contender, and instead of being all in take the next few trade cycles to build a deep, balanced roster.

I'd be on board for just seeing what this team can do fully healthy. The pieces are here IMO. With this HC we won't see those picks play any time soon either. Whatever it takes to get a roster he will play 10 guys without hesitation so we don't have to keep talking about 6.5-7 man rotations. Fully healthy this team is deep.

JB/Payne/Kolek
Mikal/Deuce
Hart/Paco/Ryan
OG/Precious/Sims
KAT/Mitch/Huk

I would look for trades that prop up the depth. Backup wing upgrade. Mitch insurance. If Thibs doesn't trust the bench(rookies) he has then trade them for someone he will trust.

Go get MJ Burks! Go get TAJ!

I understand that argument. I think you start one of Precious/Mitch and bring Hart off the bench for balance. And I think they bring Shamet back.

Brunson/Payne
Bridges/McBride
Anunoby/Shamet
Precious/Hart
Towns/Robinson

I still see a pretender and not a contender, but I get if you want to see it before kicking the can.

[R-DAWG]

Dude is 48 years old and we are still in here talking about "if he was on this team"?

Before last season dudes were suggesting we were going to bring Melo back as some kind of sixth man. The delusion was off the hook.

Melo destroyed this fan base. I'm not going back into this discussion.

We are seeing the best run team in all of our lives that didn't see the championship teams. Even those of us who watched 15 years of Ewing fall short. This team is better than anything I have ever seen. The vaunted history is bullshyt. We have been garbage for 30 of the last 50 years. This team is closer than any team we have seen. Why listen to Melo and woj and whoever or whatever?

No group of players has ever sacrificed or appreciated the situation they were in like this one has. For 25 years we have watched scrubs from every other team go off in the Garden. The Bucks won their first title in 50 years before we did. Cleveland. GSW. Dynasty. The Mavs. The Heat.

I truly believe we can beat anyone fully healthy. I haven't felt this way since 1999. We could win a title this season. Right?

This is the most leveraged team we have ever had. The current on court product is good not great. And the future looks scary.

The bar is so low in NY that winning a few playoff series is so meaningful. But the downside of this version of the team has potential to be worse than anything we have experienced over the past 25 years - and that’s saying a lot

[Clyde_Style]

Before last season dudes were suggesting we were going to bring Melo back as some kind of sixth man. The delusion was off the hook.

Melo destroyed this fan base. I'm not going back into this discussion.

We are seeing the best run team in all of our lives that didn't see the championship teams. Even those of us who watched 15 years of Ewing fall short. This team is better than anything I have ever seen. The vaunted history is bullshyt. We have been garbage for 30 of the last 50 years. This team is closer than any team we have seen. Why listen to Melo and woj and whoever or whatever?

No group of players has ever sacrificed or appreciated the situation they were in like this one has. For 25 years we have watched scrubs from every other team go off in the Garden. The Bucks won their first title in 50 years before we did. Cleveland. GSW. Dynasty. The Mavs. The Heat.

I truly believe we can beat anyone fully healthy. I haven't felt this way since 1999. We could win a title this season. Right?

This is the most leveraged team we have ever had. The current on court product is good not great. And the future looks scary.

The bar is so low in NY that winning a few playoff series is so meaningful. But the downside of this version of the team has potential to be worse than anything we have experienced over the past 25 years - and that’s saying a lot

The blowback on failure with high level talent is greater. We have one of the most talented rosters in the league.

If the line in the sand is execution, that will ultimately come back to the coaching.

If the line in the sand is Thibs inability to keep a roster healthy, then it still comes back to his coaching.

At this point, this is on paper a contender and anything less than the ECF is pretty much underachieving.

There is pressure on the players to excel, but that is largely self-imposed based on the character of the players on the team. We should have those players based on what I know about them.

There is even greater pressure on Thibs to compete for a ring. This is his best roster ever, better than any of the DRose Chicago rosters and they had some decent teams. If Thibs can't guide the team past the second round, he needs to be canned. It's going to be that simple probably.

[R-DAWG]

Melo destroyed this fan base. I'm not going back into this discussion.

We are seeing the best run team in all of our lives that didn't see the championship teams. Even those of us who watched 15 years of Ewing fall short. This team is better than anything I have ever seen. The vaunted history is bullshyt. We have been garbage for 30 of the last 50 years. This team is closer than any team we have seen. Why listen to Melo and woj and whoever or whatever?

No group of players has ever sacrificed or appreciated the situation they were in like this one has. For 25 years we have watched scrubs from every other team go off in the Garden. The Bucks won their first title in 50 years before we did. Cleveland. GSW. Dynasty. The Mavs. The Heat.

I truly believe we can beat anyone fully healthy. I haven't felt this way since 1999. We could win a title this season. Right?

This is the most leveraged team we have ever had. The current on court product is good not great. And the future looks scary.

The bar is so low in NY that winning a few playoff series is so meaningful. But the downside of this version of the team has potential to be worse than anything we have experienced over the past 25 years - and that’s saying a lot

The blowback on failure with high level talent is greater. We have one of the most talented rosters in the league.

If the line in the sand is execution, that will ultimately come back to the coaching.

If the line in the sand is Thibs inability to keep a roster healthy, then it still comes back to his coaching.

At this point, this is on paper a contender and anything less than the ECF is pretty much underachieving.

There is pressure on the players to excel, but that is largely self-imposed based on the character of the players on the team. We should have those players based on what I know about them.

There is even greater pressure on Thibs to compete for a ring. This is his best roster ever, better than any of the DRose Chicago rosters and they had some decent teams. If Thibs can't guide the team past the second round, he needs to be canned. It's going to be that simple probably.

I don’t know if this version of the team is better than last years version of the team

I do know that in terms of future draft capital and roster flexibility, the knicks might be in the worst position of any team in the league.

That’s a lot to give up for a team that is arguably the 4th best roster in what is considered the weak East behind Boston, Cleveland and Orlando.

[GYK]

If possible Mitch and the 1st’s for Herb Jones would be ideal. The defensive weakness is giving up 3’s. Great at protecting the paint and limiting 2nd chances despite narrative. Defending the line with switchable and range guys is key.
KAT at the 4 isn’t helpful.

Kyle Kuzma would work too but I don’t like him personally.
there’s young players like Portland’s Banton/Camara or Spurs Julian.
A KAT team has to be able to swarm. The more wings the better. Not to mention we put the most stress on OG, Mikal and Hart.

[Richard4444]

Herb Jones is not on the market.

If they need to make a trade to fix their Center rotation: 1) they would rather trade Ingram or picks; 2) they would aim for a player who can play with Zion (stretch center); 3) they would aim for a more reliable player considering their roster is full of injury prone players already.

[GYK]

Herb Jones is not on the market.

If they need to make a trade to fix their Center rotation: 1) they would rather trade Ingram or picks; 2) they would aim for a player who can play with Zion (stretch center); 3) they would aim for a more reliable player considering their roster is full of injury prone players already.

That maybe true. Ideally Zion with a stretch five would be their best option but to be fair they have never paired him with such a player.
Ingram isn’t likely going anywhere because of injury. Neither is Trey Murphy as they just paid him. Herb shouldn’t be on the market however possible.
But my point isn’t Herb or bust. Wings are just needed.

[spree2kawhi]

This is the most leveraged team we have ever had. The current on court product is good not great. And the future looks scary.

The bar is so low in NY that winning a few playoff series is so meaningful. But the downside of this version of the team has potential to be worse than anything we have experienced over the past 25 years - and that’s saying a lot

The blowback on failure with high level talent is greater. We have one of the most talented rosters in the league.

If the line in the sand is execution, that will ultimately come back to the coaching.

If the line in the sand is Thibs inability to keep a roster healthy, then it still comes back to his coaching.

At this point, this is on paper a contender and anything less than the ECF is pretty much underachieving.

There is pressure on the players to excel, but that is largely self-imposed based on the character of the players on the team. We should have those players based on what I know about them.

There is even greater pressure on Thibs to compete for a ring. This is his best roster ever, better than any of the DRose Chicago rosters and they had some decent teams. If Thibs can't guide the team past the second round, he needs to be canned. It's going to be that simple probably.

I don’t know if this version of the team is better than last years version of the team

I do know that in terms of future draft capital and roster flexibility, the knicks might be in the worst position of any team in the league.

That’s a lot to give up for a team that is arguably the 4th best roster in what is considered the weak East behind Boston, Cleveland and Orlando.

Do you honestly believe this team would lose a playoff series against Orlando or Cleveland?

[ctorres]

The blowback on failure with high level talent is greater. We have one of the most talented rosters in the league.

If the line in the sand is execution, that will ultimately come back to the coaching.

If the line in the sand is Thibs inability to keep a roster healthy, then it still comes back to his coaching.

At this point, this is on paper a contender and anything less than the ECF is pretty much underachieving.

There is pressure on the players to excel, but that is largely self-imposed based on the character of the players on the team. We should have those players based on what I know about them.

There is even greater pressure on Thibs to compete for a ring. This is his best roster ever, better than any of the DRose Chicago rosters and they had some decent teams. If Thibs can't guide the team past the second round, he needs to be canned. It's going to be that simple probably.

I don’t know if this version of the team is better than last years version of the team

I do know that in terms of future draft capital and roster flexibility, the knicks might be in the worst position of any team in the league.

That’s a lot to give up for a team that is arguably the 4th best roster in what is considered the weak East behind Boston, Cleveland and Orlando.

Do you honestly believe this team would lose a playoff series against Orlando or Cleveland?

Anything is possible and there are no guarantees that our entire roster will be healthy come playoff time.

Orlando has two really great players in Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner, surrounded by defenders.

Cleveland has a coach (10 years younger than Thibs) with a chip on his shoulder in Atkinson, surrounded by players with a chip on their shoulders.

[ctorres]

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Going after Steven Adams now reminds me too much of going after Joakim Noah in 2016. I don't think Adams has much left.

Maybe Adams would be good for the locker room and a few spot minutes in the playoffs, but we'd have to trade Mitch for him who at this point is better. Adams would be a 3rd or 4th string center for us.

If we need to trade Mitch to stay below the 2nd apron, we can wait to trade Mitch in the off-season to a team with the cap room to absorb his contract.

If the Knicks feel they have to make moves early to be under the 2nd apron, then we may very well end up trading Mitch straight up for Steven Adams' expiring contract.

I think we are committed to our starting lineup for the next few seasons. Even if they don't win a championship this year, we have two more years of a window before the players starting worrying about their next long term contracts.

[thebuzzardman]

Go get Duop Reath!!

Is that some new Disney special needs Star Wars character?