With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

[Godaddycurse]

But would have been a UFA after 2 had Masai not opted for the option in year 3.

no he would still be RFA after 2. the difference for 2nd rounders vs 1st rounders is after 4 years they become UFA whereas FRP is still RFA after 4 years.

I remember Tarence Mann was going to become and UFA before the Clippers extended him.

Mann initially played out a 4 year contract from 2019-2022 and would've been UFA if not for a 2 year extension.

[MoneyBall]

cSome teams will also give a second rounder a 3+1 deal.

I would guess that to be very rare.

It's quite the opposite now, in the first half of the second round, most picks signed 3+1 deals, not fully guaranteed, of course, but with team control through three seasons. The Raptors are outliers - Shead also signed for 2+1.

I stand corrected. Times have changed.

[MoneyBall]

no he would still be RFA after 2. the difference for 2nd rounders vs 1st rounders is after 4 years they become UFA whereas FRP is still RFA after 4 years.

I remember Tarence Mann was going to become and UFA before the Clippers extended him.

Mann initially played out a 4 year contract from 2019-2022 and would've been UFA if not for a 2 year extension.

Darn it, I'm wrong again. I'm not having a good day.

Team option in year three is still better than having him become a RFA, though.

[Godaddycurse]

I remember Tarence Mann was going to become and UFA before the Clippers extended him.

Mann initially played out a 4 year contract from 2019-2022 and would've been UFA if not for a 2 year extension.

Darn it, I'm wrong again. I'm not having a good day.

Team option in year three is still better than having him become a RFA, though.

Yea. Technically 3+1 is best for team because they can use the last option year as leverage to negotiate an extension after year 3 (see aaron wiggins/isaiah joe)

[MoneyBall]

Mann initially played out a 4 year contract from 2019-2022 and would've been UFA if not for a 2 year extension.

Darn it, I'm wrong again. I'm not having a good day.

Team option in year three is still better than having him become a RFA, though.

Yea. Technically 3+1 is best for team because they can use the last option year as leverage to negotiate an extension after year 3 (see aaron wiggins/isaiah joe)

*If* the pick works out. Otherwise, you're stuck paying millions for a guy who never belonged in the NBA (not the case for Mogbo).

[Psubs]

Darn it, I'm wrong again. I'm not having a good day.

Team option in year three is still better than having him become a RFA, though.

Yea. Technically 3+1 is best for team because they can use the last option year as leverage to negotiate an extension after year 3 (see aaron wiggins/isaiah joe)

*If* the pick works out. Otherwise, you're stuck paying millions for a guy who never belonged in the NBA (not the case for Mogbo).

That's good gamble for under $6 million over the 3 years.

[MoneyBall]

Yea. Technically 3+1 is best for team because they can use the last option year as leverage to negotiate an extension after year 3 (see aaron wiggins/isaiah joe)

*If* the pick works out. Otherwise, you're stuck paying millions for a guy who never belonged in the NBA (not the case for Mogbo).

That's good gamble for under $6 million over the 3 years.

Depends on a team's batting average in finding and developing talent late in the draft, I guess. Filipowski was signed for 12 million, 9 million of it is guaranteed. That's a lot of money for one 2nd rounder in a small market.

[LoganAndWade]

Mogbo needs more minutes and I want to see him using his reach to his advantage. We need to give him more minutes and develop him. I would honestly consider starting him over Barrett.

Barrett doesn't deserve to be a starter. He isn't a primary POA defender, and he can't shoot. Defense and shooting are fundamentals that build a foundation for a good prospect. Once they show that you can expand their game. RJ is the other way around where he can do extra stuff but lacks the primary skills needed to be a positive impact player.

Start Mogbo we need a POA defender that can guard both forwards and guards. As good as Agbaji has been he can't guard bigger players.

You can hate the idea all you want but it would immediately make our transition and man defense better.

The added benefit on offense is that Dick, Barnes, and Quickely would be taking more shots and that's generally what you would want for an efficient offense.

Another subpar night from our leading scorer, all star numbers, bench player ! What a scrub!! Bench this guy !!

[Appostis]

He's a steal.

Going to be a great bench piece going forward.

[MEDIC]

Looks like a 1st round pick. If they picked him 20th overall, I would still think he was a good pick.

[ArthurVandelay]

Mogbo was a late bloomer/grower.

I think he forgets he's 6'8" with a 7'2" wingpsan.

Needs to start dunking everything within 3' of the net.

[CoinTossRoss31]

Reminder that some mocks had Mogbo going in the late teens- 20s.

Raptors picking him at 31 was never a reach

[PushDaRock]

Mann initially played out a 4 year contract from 2019-2022 and would've been UFA if not for a 2 year extension.

Darn it, I'm wrong again. I'm not having a good day.

Team option in year three is still better than having him become a RFA, though.

Yea. Technically 3+1 is best for team because they can use the last option year as leverage to negotiate an extension after year 3 (see aaron wiggins/isaiah joe)

The downside of 3+1 is if you can't negotiate an extension, the player becomes a UFA after year 4. I think the leverage kind of goes both ways where cancelling out the cheap salary is appealing to the player obviously but being a UFA also has it's appeal too and it rarely happens for players so early in their career.

2+1, you can still do the cancel and extend after year 2 with picking up the 3rd year team option and having RFA status as a fall back option. Arguably, the extension offered after year 2 probably ends up being a lower AAV than it would be after year 3 because the player is going to be less established and the body of work isn't as big so the risk is also higher which should mean a lower salary.

[Godaddycurse]

Darn it, I'm wrong again. I'm not having a good day.

Team option in year three is still better than having him become a RFA, though.

Yea. Technically 3+1 is best for team because they can use the last option year as leverage to negotiate an extension after year 3 (see aaron wiggins/isaiah joe)

The downside of 3+1 is if you can't negotiate an extension, the player becomes a UFA after year 4. I think the leverage kind of goes both ways where cancelling out the cheap salary is appealing to the player obviously but being a UFA also has it's appeal too and it rarely happens for players so early in their career.

2+1, you can still do the cancel and extend after year 2 with picking up the 3rd year team option and having RFA status as a fall back option. Arguably, the extension offered after year 2 probably ends up being a lower AAV than it would be after year 3 because the player is going to be less established and the body of work isn't as big so the risk is also higher which should mean a lower salary.

You can decline the 4th TO year and make them an RFA after 3rd year (see joe/wiggins)

[PushDaRock]

Yea. Technically 3+1 is best for team because they can use the last option year as leverage to negotiate an extension after year 3 (see aaron wiggins/isaiah joe)

The downside of 3+1 is if you can't negotiate an extension, the player becomes a UFA after year 4. I think the leverage kind of goes both ways where cancelling out the cheap salary is appealing to the player obviously but being a UFA also has it's appeal too and it rarely happens for players so early in their career.

2+1, you can still do the cancel and extend after year 2 with picking up the 3rd year team option and having RFA status as a fall back option. Arguably, the extension offered after year 2 probably ends up being a lower AAV than it would be after year 3 because the player is going to be less established and the body of work isn't as big so the risk is also higher which should mean a lower salary.

You can decline the 4th TO year and make them an RFA after 3rd year (see joe/wiggins)

Yes, but I think the extension is already in place or the expectation of one from both sides if the team declines the option. You didn't see any of these guys get an offer sheet anywhere else or get linked elsewhere either.

In the large majority of cases, an extension will get reached though. I was just pointing out the potential downside if the 2 sides aren't able to agree on an extension which is rare of course.

[ConSarnit]

The downside of 3+1 is if you can't negotiate an extension, the player becomes a UFA after year 4. I think the leverage kind of goes both ways where cancelling out the cheap salary is appealing to the player obviously but being a UFA also has it's appeal too and it rarely happens for players so early in their career.

2+1, you can still do the cancel and extend after year 2 with picking up the 3rd year team option and having RFA status as a fall back option. Arguably, the extension offered after year 2 probably ends up being a lower AAV than it would be after year 3 because the player is going to be less established and the body of work isn't as big so the risk is also higher which should mean a lower salary.

You can decline the 4th TO year and make them an RFA after 3rd year (see joe/wiggins)

Yes, but I think the extension is already in place or the expectation of one from both sides if the team declines the option. You didn't see any of these guys get an offer sheet anywhere else or get linked elsewhere either.

In the large majority of cases, an extension will get reached though. I was just pointing out the potential downside if the 2 sides aren't able to agree on an extension which is rare of course.

Weren't Joe and Wiggins both on their 2nd contracts though? Joe was waived by PHI and then signed with OKC. Wiggins was originally on a 2-way. Does that have any bearing on their RFA/UFA status compared to Mogbo?

[Godaddycurse]

You can decline the 4th TO year and make them an RFA after 3rd year (see joe/wiggins)

Yes, but I think the extension is already in place or the expectation of one from both sides if the team declines the option. You didn't see any of these guys get an offer sheet anywhere else or get linked elsewhere either.

In the large majority of cases, an extension will get reached though. I was just pointing out the potential downside if the 2 sides aren't able to agree on an extension which is rare of course.

Weren't Joe and Wiggins both on their 2nd contracts though? Joe was waived by PHI and then signed with OKC. Wiggins was originally on a 2-way. Does that have any bearing on their RFA/UFA status compared to Mogbo?

they were both on their first standard contract

[ConSarnit]

Yes, but I think the extension is already in place or the expectation of one from both sides if the team declines the option. You didn't see any of these guys get an offer sheet anywhere else or get linked elsewhere either.

In the large majority of cases, an extension will get reached though. I was just pointing out the potential downside if the 2 sides aren't able to agree on an extension which is rare of course.

Weren't Joe and Wiggins both on their 2nd contracts though? Joe was waived by PHI and then signed with OKC. Wiggins was originally on a 2-way. Does that have any bearing on their RFA/UFA status compared to Mogbo?

they were both on their first standard contract

How is that possible with Joe? He signed a 3 year deal with PHI and was waived after his second year. He then signed a 2+1 with OKC.

[Godaddycurse]

Weren't Joe and Wiggins both on their 2nd contracts though? Joe was waived by PHI and then signed with OKC. Wiggins was originally on a 2-way. Does that have any bearing on their RFA/UFA status compared to Mogbo?

they were both on their first standard contract

How is that possible with Joe? He signed a 3 year deal with PHI and was waived after his second year. He then signed a 2+1 with OKC.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/earnings/_/id/70691/isaiah-joe

4 yr hinskie special contract that OKC took over. i dont think he made it past waivers/still had same contract

[Tha Cynic]

Seems like the perfect fit as starter with Barnes out. He can play the 4 and run the point at times. He's kind of a Barnes-lite. Raptors killed in this draft