Cade Cunningham should be an all star

[jasonxxx102]

He's definitely a raw box all-star. Which I guess is all that matters for the all star game itself.

[chuck_wagon44]

I like his game. He reminds me of Scottie Pippen on Blazers

[Mr Peanut]

This thread shows exactly why Cade should not be an all-star. One of the worst, most overrated players ever drafted into the league with an supporters pushing an narrative since year one, discounting all failures, parroting even the most minor non-accomplishments.

You don't even directly respond to any of the posts calling you out because you don't have any objective data to stand on, and have been proven wrong time and time again. So you resort to hyperbolic sweeping statements that also don't hold any sway.

Absolute troll of the highest order.

[doogie_hauser]

Cade Cunningham should not be a all star and probably never will make the all-stars.

He has finally put up a 3 BPM season which is barely good starter level. Career high in turnovers and usage. True shooting is up 0.7% over last year due to scorching hot start. Will eventually settle back down to low 1.x or low 2.x range. But I guess we should be happy about progress right

-1.6 to -0.7 to 0.3 to ???

Seen some really **** takes on this forum, but this takes the biscuit.
SMH

[doogie_hauser]

This thread shows exactly why Cade should not be an all-star. One of the worst, most overrated players ever drafted into the league with an supporters pushing an narrative since year one, discounting all failures, parroting even the most minor non-accomplishments.

Lol Cade is one of the few guards in the last year or two that has caused the Celtics and our much vaulted defensive back court some serious problems.

He does not have an good enough support cast yet, but he is an All Star Talent and deserves to be rewarded as such.

What did he ever do to you to trigger you ? Run over your dog?

Your hate for Cade is unfathomable to me.

He had a very impressive Triple Dub v the Knicks at MSG in an barnstorming win for the Pistons

Cade is a baller.

[Ticket]

Dude is an offensive beast but boy oh boy is he a liability on defense. Saw the game against Boston and he is just lost out there. Zero effort, no closeouts, teammates constantly having to cover for him, … Shame, cause he has the physical tools to be a true two-way player.

[Kalamazoo317]

Cade has absolutely taken a leap on defense this year. Anyone who thinks otherwise likely has a sample size error or is speaking from a place of ignorance.
He’s definitely playing at an all star level.

[RRR3]

He's improved a lot but not quite all-star level yet imo. He was looking really bad for a little bit there so nice to see him living up to his draft position now.

[Frank Dux]

He has absolutely no help. If he was on the Celtics everyone would be saying he should be an all star.

[Chokic]

I think he should but I don't think he will. Unless he gets in as an injury replacement.

Locks

Giannis
Mitchell
Tatum
Kat
Trae
Banchero

Almost a lock
Lamelo
Brunson

Good chance
Mobley
Wagner
Lillard
Brown
Adebayo

Chance
Embiid
Garland
Cunningham
Allen

[bstein14]

He's a fringe all-star this year. He's likely going to be last guy on the team (that other people think he doesn't deserve to be on over their guy that got left off) or he's the first miss that maybe gets in if an injury happens.

He has for sure taken a step forward this year (especially on defense) but overall he isn't a sure fire all-star yet. I think once the team is consistently a .500+ playoff team each year he'll start becoming a perennial all-star in this league.

[tsherkin]

Cade Cunnigham.

Passing looks great. Right at the moment, the 3 is falling at a previously-unmatched level on a career-high volume. Still scoring at -2.3% rTS, which is pretty trash. He doesn't draw fouls, he isn't any better at getting to the rim, he finishes poorly when he gets into the RA. Has a pretty nice short and middle game. In short, he's about as crap inside the arc as he has typically been to date. No improvement there, and so the volume increase to nearly 24 ppg means only so much past "he's shooting more."

He's scoring more. That... isn't really impressive. He's taking a career-high FGA/g, so the increase in volume is expected. The efficiency is trash, as per his usual. There's some tolerance for mediocre efficiency when you're playing on a team absent help as is he doing, but not this poor level.

That said, scoring is not the only aspect of his game. And especially given the team around him, for him to be hovering near 10 apg is pretty impressive. It's a quarter of the season and all that, but he's always been a pretty good playmaker.

Is that worth being an All-Star?

He's just outside the top 50 in O-EPM. He's a +3.2 OBPM guy, which isn't top 30. He isn't any kind of special defender. The Pistons are a lot better than they were last year, FWIW. They won 14 games last season and already have 11 right now. They appear to have mostly improved on defense, more so than on O, though. The team-wide improvement in 3pt shooting is helping.

It doesn't really make sense that Cade would be an All-Star this season, IMHO. There are too many other guys in conference who are visibly and statistically superior. But it's nice to see him looking better as a playmaker and connecting more from 3. He's making progress. The Pistons are better, which is a nice moral victory (they're under 40% W/L, so it's only so much of a real one, but it's much better than a 14 W season, for sure).

But none of what he's doing really cooks like an AS season.

[JujitsuFlip]

I think he should but I don't think he will. Unless he gets in as an injury replacement.

Locks

Giannis
Mitchell
Tatum
Kat
Trae
Banchero

Almost a lock
Lamelo
Brunson

Good chance
Mobley
Wagner
Lillard
Brown
Adebayo

Chance
Embiid
Garland
Cunningham
Allen

Banchero with 5 games played should NOT be an All-Star... I know the NBA app mysteriously leaves that important stat out.

I also find it very hard to make a case for Franz who will have missed probably half the possible games played by the time the rosters are announced.

[Chokic]

I think he should but I don't think he will. Unless he gets in as an injury replacement.

Locks

Giannis
Mitchell
Tatum
Kat
Trae
Banchero

Almost a lock
Lamelo
Brunson

Good chance
Mobley
Wagner
Lillard
Brown
Adebayo

Chance
Embiid
Garland
Cunningham
Allen

Banchero with 5 games played should NOT be an All-Star... I know the NBA app mysteriously leaves that important stat out.

I also find it very hard to make a case for Franz who will have missed probably half the possible games played by the time the rosters are announced.

I don't think anybody had Orlando magic as a top 4 seed coming into the season on their bingo card. I would be shocked if they don't have at least one rep.

[OrlandoDream]

Cade is a stud. He will be making many all star teams. If the pistons are in the PO picture come new year he should def be in it.

[UcanUwill]

I am not sure if I have seen a single Pistons game this year, but when checking box scores, when I come to Cades line, first thing my brain always check, is TO graph.

[tsherkin]

I am not sure if I have seen a single Pistons game this year, but when checking box scores, when I come to Cades line, first thing my brain always check, is TO graph.

Given his assist output, his turnover rate isn't that bad. 17% TOV or so against almost 45% AST is quite reasonable. He's at about 2.11:1 AST:TOV at the moment. It isn't brilliant or anything, but it certainly isn't bad.

[Blame Rasho]

I wish he was a Spur.

I think people under appreciates what can do nightly since he is in a dumpster fire situation compared to some other players.

Tatum is adored by many, wouldn’t be able to elevate that Pistons team.

[The Master]

24-7-10 on 55.1 TS%
+3.6 BPM
+3.9 on/off on -3 SRS team
Good defender (eye-test + great defensive splits)
+40% spot up shooter from 3s (37% last year)

He's on the level of borderline allstar in the East right now, I'd say. His skillset (good offball shooter, decent defender, great passer) would be better utilized on a better team as I don't see legit 1st option-quality here, he's waaaay too limited in attacking a rim. As a Robin, CC would be really great right now IMHO with further potential to grow.

In the current West-East confiuration, that's borderline allstar quality IMHO.

[UcanUwill]

I am not sure if I have seen a single Pistons game this year, but when checking box scores, when I come to Cades line, first thing my brain always check, is TO graph.

Given his assist output, his turnover rate isn't that bad. 17% TOV or so against almost 45% AST is quite reasonable. He's at about 2.11:1 AST:TOV at the moment. It isn't brilliant or anything, but it certainly isn't bad.

Yeah, I just noticed he turns it a lot. I honestly never liked assist to TO ratio stat, to me, it doesn't necessarily say anything. In contrary, when point guard has great A:TO, I am instantly suspect on the guy. Have seen players with flawless A:TO who sucked at playmaking. Calderon was poster child of this, brilliant A:TO ratio, but thats because he never really was creating much, just pounding the ball and then making a simple pass. Best passers make and try different and creative passes, sometimes they will turn it over, thats just the game. Like compare what Calderon was creating to what Rubio was creating, too Spaniards, Rubio turned it over far more, but man he created some open shots from complete a** possessions, Calderon just wasn't doing that at all, give me a guy with 1.5 more TOs but who sees the floor like a hawk.