Trades

[danfantastk32]

Think I got it: Lebron $48.728 mil for Wiggins, Melton, Payton-II. $48.22mil. I rounded some numbers so, prob more like $48.25.
If they add Lindy Waters they are at $50.41. If we add Max Lewis, we are at $50.61. So they take about $200k more in salary, which is within their 2nd apron window. So there we go.

Dooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt

[danfantastk32]

"The average NBA player salary for the 2024-25 season is approximately $11.2 million"

Must be nice

[JKiddy]

If you trade Lebron then what would the next trade be?

[danfantastk32]

If you trade Lebron then what would the next trade be?

Well the main trade would be AD, as AD is (hopefully) going to give us 3-4 picks back. I also think that Lebron would like to have us come out and announce a rebuild....and prob move AD first. Would absolve him of any "he quit on the team" talk (although it's the internet....he'll get grief no matter what he does/doesn't do)

So AD first, or AD after. Then I'd try and trade DLo for a bad, several year contract...with some sort of pick package coming back. There are teams in that 2nd apron that are paying huge taxes, and are totally locked up. And there are also teams who'd love to get rid of a contract, and hopefully pick up that missing piece this offseason. So if we used DLo (and maybe added someone tradeable, or whatever) and took back a 3-year $30-ish contract....that would be real value to someone. Might even get a later FRP. Could easily see a couple 2ndrounders.

If we could move anything else for picks, Id do it too...but I doubt we can.

[JKiddy]

Would you shoot for the skies for Durant and take on Beal's contract to contend for 2 seasons or prefer to blow it up so you get crazy picks for LeBron and AD and compete in 2028/29 with that route?

[mademan]

Would you shoot for the skies for Durant and take on Beal's contract to contend for 2 seasons or prefer to blow it up so you get crazy picks for LeBron and AD and compete in 2028/29 with that route?

You'd need about 100mill in salaries to get KD/Beal. I dont the Lakers could do it by the rules of the CBA before getting into whether or not they would

[danfantastk32]

Would you shoot for the skies for Durant and take on Beal's contract to contend for 2 seasons or prefer to blow it up so you get crazy picks for LeBron and AD and compete in 2028/29 with that route?

You'd need about 100mill in salaries to get KD/Beal. I dont the Lakers could do it by the rules of the CBA before getting into whether or not they would

Yeah, you wouldn't be able to do it without sending back equal salary. Even if you are talking about moving Lebron to Phoenix for Durant and Beal....Lebron has a no-trade clause, and he's not moving to a Suns team that just got gutted moving him there.

[tamaraw08]

we should push for dray... and the NBA is a business at the end of the day and having LeBron means you have the prize child of the game, in just one season. the ticket sales would go crazy and easily enough for his salary. and this is about appeasing their star player who has given them everything. I don't see why we cannot get that done. after further contemplation the trade I would go with is...

Melton, Payton, Dray looney, Kyle, kuminga, and 4 second round pics for LeBron, gabe, vando, bronny, Maxwell, Hood, wood.!!!!!

That is the trade!!! We would get better by the mere desire for winning in this game and with defensive minded players. they would get better by making a splash in the free agent market they still got their youth with Curry and LeBron and pod, and trayce

I think they will want to keep Draymond....and he's an integral part of that team. But yes, I'm in complete agreement with the concept your going with. I'll take a lesser package back too......whatever makes the deal happen. Perhaps by letting them keep Dray, and instead taking Wiggins (or even something worse, if it can work out salary-wise) we pull off a FR-pick and 3 2nd-rounders? Who knows. But I think we at least agree on the concept here.

So their ticket sales go much higher and they appease their prize child. What does it do to the Lakers ticket sales when Lebron leaves?
How many Lakers fans would actually pay hard earned money to watch this team in the next 2-3 years?
My point is, This Lakers Organization should also ask for another actual promising player other than Jonathan Kuminga who has been up and down the past 4 years now, even dropping his PPG AND Mins/game this season with his team really trying to win. The freaking Austin Reaves has a higher average than this guy.
James will probably just give them 1-3 good seasons and teaming up with Dray, Steph, Hield, Moody etc can really keep him freshER for the playoffs with 1-2 days off between games.
I will rather ask for Podz or Jackson-Davis rather than future 2nds and give some Lakers fans like me, somebody to cheer for.

[danfantastk32]

So their ticket sales go much higher and they appease their prize child. What does it do to the Lakers ticket sales when Lebron leaves?
How many Lakers fans would actually pay hard earned money to watch this team in the next 2-3 years?

My point is, This Lakers Organization should also ask for another actual promising player other than Jonathan Kuminga who has been up and down the past 4 years now, even dropping his PPG AND Mins/game this season with his team really trying to win. The freaking Austin Reaves has a higher average than this guy.
James will probably just give them 1-3 good seasons and teaming up with Dray, Steph, Hield, Moody etc can really keep him freshER for the playoffs with 1-2 days off between games.
I will rather ask for Podz or Jackson-Davis rather than future 2nds and give some Lakers fans like me, somebody to cheer for.

Sure...I get there is a trade you like better. There are trades I like better too. But at the end of the day, we need to get picks. The Warriors are going into this with the concept that Lebron makes them a contender again, right? So we can't take a bunch of goodies. And unfortunately Lebron is gonna be 40 in 2 weeks, so there's a shelf-life that's a real consideration here. GS isn't going to just clear the cupboards for him. In fact, the more willing we are to take garbage back, the more good youth and players they keep...the more picks we're likely able to get....to a point, of course.

Same with AD....if we move him to a team in contention, AND take back any bad contracts they have, that's a double-value. All this equals more picks. AD has hit that point where teams are gonna take a hard consideration about just how many good years he still has. These things are gonna matter.

As for the fans.....I think it's been boring as F** watching 4 straight years of .500 basketball. I was gonna say the sucky part is coming in two years anyhow...but honestly, we've been in the sucky part for a while. Rebuilding at least has some excitement. Sure, we're gonna be garbage for a year or two...but we got Knecht, and Bronny (who knows where that will go) and a couple other serviceable guys. If we move AD and Lebron and have a couple picks for this year....you might find it isnt so bad.

And it'll be SOOOOOOOOO much more interesting than watching this team slowly making their way towards the cliff.

If we sit pat, and slog through these 2 seasons of .500 basketball, and watch Lebron retire, and are now stuck with mid-30's AD....with no extra picks with which to rebuild.....we're all gonna be wishing we'd done it different.

[Landsberger]

I think it's been boring as F** watching 4 straight years of .500 basketball.

We're in the "salad days" right now...

[loveshaq007]

Think I got it: Lebron $48.728 mil for Wiggins, Melton, Payton-II. $48.22mil. I rounded some numbers so, prob more like $48.25.
If they add Lindy Waters they are at $50.41. If we add Max Lewis, we are at $50.61. So they take about $200k more in salary, which is within their 2nd apron window. So there we go.

Dooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt

I don't understand this, warriors are at 178 million while we're at 189 million? can't they potentially take back 10 to $11 million extra?


If what you are saying is true... I would rather have the package of Dray, Payton, Melton, kuminga, Kyle, buddy, looney. ... for LeBron, bronny, gabe, vando, max

that is exactly 500k more salary for warriors to take back.... we free up maddddd salary for a off season shake up!

[tamaraw08]

So their ticket sales go much higher and they appease their prize child. What does it do to the Lakers ticket sales when Lebron leaves?
How many Lakers fans would actually pay hard earned money to watch this team in the next 2-3 years?

My point is, This Lakers Organization should also ask for another actual promising player other than Jonathan Kuminga who has been up and down the past 4 years now, even dropping his PPG AND Mins/game this season with his team really trying to win. The freaking Austin Reaves has a higher average than this guy.
James will probably just give them 1-3 good seasons and teaming up with Dray, Steph, Hield, Moody etc can really keep him freshER for the playoffs with 1-2 days off between games.
I will rather ask for Podz or Jackson-Davis rather than future 2nds and give some Lakers fans like me, somebody to cheer for.

Sure...I get there is a trade you like better. There are trades I like better too. But at the end of the day, we need to get picks. The Warriors are going into this with the concept that Lebron makes them a contender again, right? So we can't take a bunch of goodies. And unfortunately Lebron is gonna be 40 in 2 weeks, so there's a shelf-life that's a real consideration here. GS isn't going to just clear the cupboards for him. In fact, the more willing we are to take garbage back, the more good youth and players they keep...the more picks we're likely able to get....to a point, of course.

Same with AD....if we move him to a team in contention, AND take back any bad contracts they have, that's a double-value. All this equals more picks. AD has hit that point where teams are gonna take a hard consideration about just how many good years he still has. These things are gonna matter.

As for the fans.....I think it's been boring as F** watching 4 straight years of .500 basketball. I was gonna say the sucky part is coming in two years anyhow...but honestly, we've been in the sucky part for a while. Rebuilding at least has some excitement. Sure, we're gonna be garbage for a year or two...but we got Knecht, and Bronny (who knows where that will go) and a couple other serviceable guys. If we move AD and Lebron and have a couple picks for this year....you might find it isnt so bad.

And it'll be SOOOOOOOOO much more interesting than watching this team slowly making their way towards the cliff.

If we sit pat, and slog through these 2 seasons of .500 basketball, and watch Lebron retire, and are now stuck with mid-30's AD....with no extra picks with which to rebuild.....we're all gonna be wishing we'd done it different.

I never said we should sit pat. But you seemed very excited to get as many picks as possible versus taking a couple of young players who are already showing some potential.
I'm not sure if you know these guys.
Jarace Walker, Johnny Davis, James Bouknight, Jett Howard, Davion Mitchell, Killian Hayes, James Wiseman, Marvin Bagley, Dambouya, Marquisse Chriss.
These guys were drafted at least 15th or some were selected top 10 or higher and all these guys are busts.
I am dreading for that rebuilding time Bec I look at Washington, Portland, Pistons with very little hope of in sight just to get into the play-in tournament.
Pelicans, Sacramento and Hornets have swam in filth for like 3-5 years or so, got some good picks and STILL stuck in a pile of poop.
You call the Lakers boring the past 3 years or so? I take that boring season when they won 48 games, beating Boston, TWolves, Mavs etc over 3-4 years of hell. Or that playoff run when they went to the WCF etc.
I am not saying Lakers will surely suck and fail to pick good players from the draft but it is a possibility that they will pick the next JHS, so what I'm saying is why not pick 1-2 good players who are showing glimpse of hope? A player/s who can complement that future star from the draft?

[danfantastk32]

I am not saying Lakers will surely suck and fail to pick good players from the draft but it is a possibility that they will pick the next JHS, so what I'm saying is why not pick 1-2 good players who are showing glimpse of hope? A player/s who can complement that future star from the draft?

Well I think that getting young players is tricky. It's my opinion that they are valued much more high than a draft pick, so your gonna get less of them. And if they look really promising...then they prob aren't for sale. Especially not for a 40 year old.

But hey....if they wanna trade us a couple young guys who show promise instead of picks, I'm ok with that too.

[danfantastk32]

I don't understand this, warriors are at 178 million while we're at 189 million? can't they potentially take back 10 to $11 million extra?

I got that from the WIndhorst article. Apparently the Warriors have 500k until they hit the 2nd apron. I dunno if we have a mid-level exception...or what. Honestly, the new CBA rules lost me. I can't keep track of that sh** anymore. So I'm just going with what he wrote. Love him, or hate him....I'd expect Windy to at least get basic facts like that right in his article.

[stan francisco]

Bron has a no trade clause. He is 40. Plays almost no defense (4 on 5 for us). He makes like half the payroll. He sells jerseys for Jeannie while we’re at .500. A trade only happens if he really wants to leave. Cleveland? They don’t need him now, other than for increased profit. I see him ending his career as a Laker, when a tendon snaps or something.

D Lo is playing well. Defense is even finally happening. Not great defense, but there’s at long last some consistent activity on that end. Kudos. And I will lose my **** if we don’t trade his expiring before the deadline.

Building around AD at 34 beats what we’re doing now.

We need a POA defender PG. I’m for Olivari until then.

We need five rotation players off the injured list. Amongst them, our best wing defender; Vando.

[tamaraw08]

I am not saying Lakers will surely suck and fail to pick good players from the draft but it is a possibility that they will pick the next JHS, so what I'm saying is why not pick 1-2 good players who are showing glimpse of hope? A player/s who can complement that future star from the draft?

Well I think that getting young players is tricky. It's my opinion that they are valued much more high than a draft pick, so your gonna get less of them. And if they look really promising...then they prob aren't for sale. Especially not for a 40 year old.

But hey....if they wanna trade us a couple young guys who show promise instead of picks, I'm ok with that too.

I'm going to be honest when I tell you that I get really annoyed when you kept mentioning Lebron's age for several times now because the guy is not your typical 40 yr old like Vince Carter who gave his team 8pts/game by just jacking up jumpers all game.
Or the 40 year old Udonis Haslem with his 4pts and slow defense etc.
The 40 year old James is still giving this team 23pts, 9 assists (4th in the league), 8 rebs while playing very heavy 35 minutes.
His TS% is very comparable to when he was 34 years old, same with his REB%,BLOCK% ASSIST% etc per BBRef.
Imagine with a much lesser load on offense with arguably the GOAT shooter like Curry and defense of Draymond Green and really good coaching of Steve Kerr esp in the playoffs when they get 1-2 days off between games, what he can do.
I am not asking for SGA here, the guy the Clippers were willing to give to get PG13? Paul Freaking George.

[danfantastk32]

I'm going to be honest when I tell you that I get really annoyed when you kept mentioning Lebron's age for several times now because the guy is not your typical 40 yr old like Vince Carter who gave his team 8pts/game by just jacking up jumpers all game. Or the 40 year old Udonis Haslem with his 4pts and slow defense etc. The 40 year old James is still giving this team 23pts, 9 assists (4th in the league), 8 rebs while playing very heavy 35 minutes. His TS% is very comparable to when he was 34 years old, same with his REB%,BLOCK% ASSIST% etc per BBRef. Imagine with a much lesser load on offense with arguably the GOAT shooter like Curry and defense of Draymond Green and really good coaching of Steve Kerr esp in the playoffs when they get 1-2 days off between games, what he can do. I am not asking for SGA here, the guy the Clippers were willing to give to get PG13? Paul Freaking George.

Lebron admits his time is running out:
After recording a triple-double of 39 points in the 132-134 loss to the Atlanta Hawks, The King was asked if he thinks fans appreciate what he brings to the team.

“I don’t know. I just go out there and play the game the right way,” James replied. “I compete at a high level and leave it all on the court every time I go out there. My time is very limited, on how long I’ll play, so I’m just happy to still be able to play the game that I love,”
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“It’s the mind,” LeBron said about what will determine when he hangs up his Nikes. “Wherever my mind is, is how the rest of my body is going to go, whatever the case may be. I’m not going to play that much longer, to be completely honest. One year, two years, whatever the case may be. I said the other night that I’m not playing until the wheels fall off. I’m not.

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Two direct quotes within the last month, my man. Get annoyed, I can't help you. It is what it is. And those facts are extremely relevant if your the Warriors....as to how much of your future assets you give up. Your looking at my words...but your not reading them. Lebron is still playing at an amazing level (I've said that about 3-4 times on different posts) but that extra elite level stuff is gone. His defense has definitely declined. He can't carry a team anymore. And by his own admission, he's gonna call it soon.

Look, if your the Lakers, and you want to do this rebuild (which I admit...is very unlikely, as they are fools, and greedy, and can't get past the short-term) then you have to do 2 things: convince Lebron - convince the Warriors.

Lebron is no shoe-in to take the Warriors to the finals. Especially not if you strip the team of several good players, and it's engine that has been Draymond. Moving Draymond mid-season would destroy the whole thing. The Warriors wouldn't do it....and Lebron wouldn't want to go, if you did.

So as well as Lebron is playing, your getting him for this season, and maybe the next.....that's all. Lebron is one of those few guys that really doesn't need the $$$ at this point. He's making much more elsewhere. So calling it a career at the end of this season is a very, very real concept. So no......the Warriors are not gonna just hand over a barrel of promising youth here....we gotta be more realistic. THATS WHY I say we instead take back stinkers....take back all the things that make the deal look even more enticing. That way, it's not just Lebron they are getting...but a little financial freedom in the future. That's the kind of deal that gets you more picks, or possibly a young talent.

[danfantastk32]

Building around AD at 34 beats what we’re doing now.

It won't. It'll be a disaster. AD will go down with something.....and we'll look like the Lakers when Kobe was injured. And when AD leaves....it'll be like when Kobe left: A rebuild ONE pick at a time.

[danfantastk32]

Warriors Looking To Add Star Player, Depth
Dec 10, 2024 9:34 AM


Warriors Looking To Add Star Player, Depth

The Golden State Warriors have emerged as a major player ahead of the trade deadline. The Warriors are looking to add a star player. Ideally that would be one who can score and function as a playmaker. Golden State is also looking to improve their depth.

The Warriors are being linked to Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat, who would prefer to play for a win-now contender if he's traded. Golden State is also interested in adding Dennis Schroder, Cameron Johnson or Dorian Finney-Smith from the Brooklyn Nets.

The Warriors are working against extremely tight margins in making any kind of deal. Golden State is hard-capped at the first apron and has just over $500,000 in wiggle room. One player Mike Dunleavy Jr. is expected to dangle in trade talks is De'Anthony Melton. Despite being out for the season, Melton's $12.8 million salary would go a long way toward matching salary in a deal.

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I mean...the deal is there to be had. I don't know why our FO thinks "stayin the course" is anything but stupid. All they need to do is sit AD and Lebron down, and tell them they are gonna rebuild, and will be looking to move AD. "Here's our list of interested teams....where would you like to go?" And then tell Lebron to call Curry, and Draymond, and get that ball rolling. Easy.

[Kilroy]

There’s no way the Lakers trade LeBron, unless he demands a trade, and even if he does, they’ll do everything they can to convince him to stay first, including waiting until the offseason…
They’re basically integrated with LeBrons “team” at this point and I don’t think they have any idea how to run the team without him…
So this is all a lot of thought-energy wasted….
In theory, the longer you wait to trade a player of his age the less you get for him…. As soon as anyone finds out you are even willing to discuss it, the offer tanks. So basically take whatever you think is ‘fair’ and cut it at least in half…. Forget multiple decent picks…. It’d be mediocre young players (basically all there is in the league now) and unremarkable picks…
I still say do it…