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Post#901 » by The Servant » Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:36 pm

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JustBuzzin wrote:My only question is what team will the NBA want him on. The draft is rigged imo for certain stars.

I think Washington is definitely off the board for the #1 pick.

San Antonio would be nice, but they already got rewarded with Wemby.

New Orleans not a chance especially how they mishandled Zion.

Toronto this is probably at the top of my list as of now. Pair him with Barnes and take over Canada.

Charlotte stays in NC plays next to 2 budding stars in Melo/Miller.

Utah maybe, but that market is off the radar and not attractive for FA's.

Portland again off the radar in the Pacific Northwest.

I think Toronto will be his destination.


Lol. I swear people will ignore 20 years of players going into odd situations for the one time where a player goes to a marketable spot, just to say the draft is rigged. Whats the logic of Atlanta getting the pick this year?



all the past draft lottery results indicate it was never rigged but you can never a convince a conspiracy theorist despite the fact that reality and truths are plainly out there, in front of them.

lottery is rigged but I have never seen the most marketable team won the lottery.


You've never seen the 40 win Chicago Bulls team win the #1 draft pick to take home town kid Derrick Rose with a 1% chance of winning the lotto?

Btw, the marketable teams fill their arenas and get viewers without issue, and then they attract the free agents from small markets when those guys are done their time.

The small markets get and develop talent that either stays or jumps ship to big markets.

you can never convince non conspiracy minded because they look at the world with rose colored glasses and think the world is as kind and true as they are! (Naive)
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Post#902 » by JustBuzzin » Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:01 pm

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baldur wrote:
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Lol. I swear people will ignore 20 years of players going into odd situations for the one time where a player goes to a marketable spot, just to say the draft is rigged. Whats the logic of Atlanta getting the pick this year?



all the past draft lottery results indicate it was never rigged but you can never a convince a conspiracy theorist despite the fact that reality and truths are plainly out there, in front of them.

lottery is rigged but I have never seen the most marketable team won the lottery.


You've never seen the 40 win Chicago Bulls team win the #1 draft pick to take home town kid Derrick Rose with a 1% chance of winning the lotto?

Btw, the marketable teams fill their arenas and get viewers without issue, and then they attract the free agents from small markets when those guys are done their time.

The small markets get and develop talent that either stays or jumps ship to big markets.

you can never convince non conspiracy minded because they look at the world with rose colored glasses and think the world is as kind and true as they are! (Naive)

Or LeBron landing in Cleveland oh what a surprise!
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Post#903 » by DirtybirdGA » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:43 am

Somehow Duke had a 7 pt.lead on Incarte Word coming up on 4 to go in the first half the last time I saw the ticker.
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Post#904 » by sikma42 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 1:28 am

Watching the game. Flagg’s skill level and lack of shooting touch is concerning. He is an elite athlete but idk if it’s elite enough to turn that skillset into a superstar.


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Post#905 » by tsherkin » Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:14 am

The Servant wrote:you can never convince non conspiracy minded because they look at the world with rose colored glasses and think the world is as kind and true as they are! (Naive)


Of course, the reverse of this is true as well. Conspiracy-minded folks will always see conspiracy even when there is none, and think the world is nothing BUT shady backroom dealings and manipulation.
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Post#906 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Dec 11, 2024 5:13 am

He gotta improve that 3 ball.

Harper is seriously going to challenge him for that #1 spot imo.
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Post#907 » by SNPA » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:13 am

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Kid is a stud. Nothing to debate about that.
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Post#908 » by magee » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:18 am

There are a lot of players who made impacts with their athleticism, IQ and skill while developing their shot over the duration of their careers.

Can't remember if I wrote this here or somewhere else, but Gilbert Arenas made a point about how he's their leading scorer and they are barely running any plays for him. Only that he's getting his buckets in the flow of the game. If he's scoring 15-20+, in college no less, and all he needs to work on is his jumper?! Give me that 8 days out of the week out of anyone I draft.
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Post#909 » by foreigngrammar » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:35 am

The Servant wrote:
baldur wrote:
ChuckChilly wrote:
Lol. I swear people will ignore 20 years of players going into odd situations for the one time where a player goes to a marketable spot, just to say the draft is rigged. Whats the logic of Atlanta getting the pick this year?



all the past draft lottery results indicate it was never rigged but you can never a convince a conspiracy theorist despite the fact that reality and truths are plainly out there, in front of them.

lottery is rigged but I have never seen the most marketable team won the lottery.


You've never seen the 40 win Chicago Bulls team win the #1 draft pick to take home town kid Derrick Rose with a 1% chance of winning the lotto?

Btw, the marketable teams fill their arenas and get viewers without issue, and then they attract the free agents from small markets when those guys are done their time.

The small markets get and develop talent that either stays or jumps ship to big markets.

you can never convince non conspiracy minded because they look at the world with rose colored glasses and think the world is as kind and true as they are! (Naive)


That‘s actually the defintion of a lotterie chance :lol:
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Post#910 » by tsherkin » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:08 pm

magee wrote:There are a lot of players who made impacts with their athleticism, IQ and skill while developing their shot over the duration of their careers.

Can't remember if I wrote this here or somewhere else, but Gilbert Arenas made a point about how he's their leading scorer and they are barely running any plays for him. Only that he's getting his buckets in the flow of the game. If he's scoring 15-20+, in college no less, and all he needs to work on is his jumper?! Give me that 8 days out of the week out of anyone I draft.


It all depends on what people expect from him in terms of the role he'll play in the NBA, right>? His shooting ability will be a key feature in determining how good a scorer he can be. And at 17, and 10 games into his college career, it's hard to evaluate much beyond "he doesn't look like an ATG in the making" in terms of his shooting ability. And that doesn't really tell us much, heh.

He's quick, jumps well, I mean his athleticism is obviously a focus. He handles contact well, looks good in the paint, handle seems decent. Lots of good stuff to think about. Especially given that he's only taking like 13 shots per game. He hasn't been startlingly efficient on low volume, but again, freshman. 17. He clearly needs some polish on his game but the potential is intriguing.
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Post#911 » by magee » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:49 pm

Agreed. I just feel people are overstating his shooting right now. His form is there and if you go back and watch his pull-up on AD during that Olympic scrimmage, you can see he knows how to shoot over larger defenders. He simply doesn't need to as much at Duke going against smaller, and if they are the same size less athletic, big men.

*I'll put it this way, in five years, he'll be as old as Dalton Knecht is right now.
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Post#912 » by tsherkin » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:58 pm

magee wrote:Agreed. I just feel people are overstating his shooting right now. His form is there and if you go back and watch his pull-up on AD during that Olympic scrimmage, you can see he knows how to shoot over larger defenders. He simply doesn't need to as much at Duke going against smaller, and if they are the same size less athletic, big men.

*I'll put it this way, in five years, he'll be as old as Dalton Knecht is right now.


His form definitely looks good. I think I noted that when I was talking about that post fade a little while back. It looks clean, he just isn't seeing super great results at the moment. But obviously, 10 games. We'll see what happens. It is also clear that he has a pretty good sense of how to use his body and get his shot off. Time and sample will tell more about FT shooting and all that. Last I checked, he was shooting about 51% inside the arc, which isn't amazing in college, but we'll see.
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Post#913 » by og15 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:36 am

foreigngrammar wrote:
The Servant wrote:
baldur wrote:

all the past draft lottery results indicate it was never rigged but you can never a convince a conspiracy theorist despite the fact that reality and truths are plainly out there, in front of them.

lottery is rigged but I have never seen the most marketable team won the lottery.


You've never seen the 40 win Chicago Bulls team win the #1 draft pick to take home town kid Derrick Rose with a 1% chance of winning the lotto?

Btw, the marketable teams fill their arenas and get viewers without issue, and then they attract the free agents from small markets when those guys are done their time.

The small markets get and develop talent that either stays or jumps ship to big markets.

you can never convince non conspiracy minded because they look at the world with rose colored glasses and think the world is as kind and true as they are! (Naive)


That‘s actually the defintion of a lotterie chance :lol:

Odds and probability are not our strongest trait as humans, eg: a lot of gambling loses and how much people play lottery, etc.

My coworker won 3k recently, then lost it the next day because she believed that since she just won she was on a streak and would keep winning.

Patterns and correlation on the other hand we are much better at, but those are deceiving.
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Post#914 » by John Murdoch » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:58 am

I like the narrative of him saving the wizards low keyy
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Post#915 » by CobraCommander » Thu Dec 12, 2024 5:11 am

John Murdoch wrote:I like the narrative of him saving the wizards low keyy

Me too...we need to raise the Flagg in DC....
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Post#916 » by FrodoBaggins » Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:59 am

How do we like Jalen Johnson for a current player comparison?

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Post#917 » by 12footrim » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:33 pm

SNPA wrote:
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Read on Twitter


Kid is a stud. Nothing to debate about that.


He was 2-8 for 6 points vs the 346th ranked defense Incarnate Word. He's got a .506 true shooting percentage on the season vs the 62nd SOS. He's played the 5 easiest mid majors he will play all year too, Maine, Wofford, Incarnate Words, Army and Seattle. Half the schedule. The guy can't make a shot a third of the season in and no one really acknowledges that.

He's not really blocking shots or steals at anywhere they close people on this thread were predicting either. Basically he's rebounding slightly above expectations but he's playing 97% of his minutes at PF and still only has a rebound rated of like 8th in the ACC. Is that his calling card in the NBA? That and he's a pretty decent facilitator, like 13th in the ACC in that as well in assist rate. Nothing screams elite about anything he's doing. Just solid in a lot of stuff that isn't scoring. He's been terrible at that.
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Post#918 » by wadenation305 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:37 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
The Servant wrote:
baldur wrote:

all the past draft lottery results indicate it was never rigged but you can never a convince a conspiracy theorist despite the fact that reality and truths are plainly out there, in front of them.

lottery is rigged but I have never seen the most marketable team won the lottery.


You've never seen the 40 win Chicago Bulls team win the #1 draft pick to take home town kid Derrick Rose with a 1% chance of winning the lotto?

Btw, the marketable teams fill their arenas and get viewers without issue, and then they attract the free agents from small markets when those guys are done their time.

The small markets get and develop talent that either stays or jumps ship to big markets.

you can never convince non conspiracy minded because they look at the world with rose colored glasses and think the world is as kind and true as they are! (Naive)

Or LeBron landing in Cleveland oh what a surprise!


Or the Media speaking on Wemby being on the Spurs like a season before the draft like it was a foregone conclusion. They obviously can't get a 1st draft pick on the Celtics, but they def can put their thumb on the scale to get you to say SA vs DET if it fits their narrative.
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Post#919 » by Special_Puppy » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:37 pm

John Murdoch wrote:I like the narrative of him saving the wizards low keyy


Harry Potter is the only Wizard that can save that team
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Post#920 » by 12footrim » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:44 pm

Special_Puppy wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:I like the narrative of him saving the wizards low keyy


Harry Potter is the only Wizard that can save that team


If he and Sarr are playing together in the frontcourt they might have a .450 % combined True shooting next year where the league average is like .580+% in those positions.

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