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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#121 » by Arsenal » Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:25 pm

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I'd say probably yes, but you're right it doesn't matter. This is a fantastic project for the city whether people like it or not.

And the money has spoken in that the team is paying for the entire project, which is a big reason why it's such a great project.

Besides, there was also BIG MONEY against this - Comcast - so spare me the lament about money.


Again I don't live in Philly and never will, but it was my understanding that it wasn't about to be built on top of Chinatown.

These arenas take up a few blocks, maybe less if they're smart parking and not creating a parking lot at all (maybe a small VIP deck that's like $200+) they can add to an area or perhaps create a booming area.

I know when I saw some of the anti arena reasoning being "it will slow down ambulances", that it was not hurting much. It was spin from Comcast and the city. Comcast wants the revenue from concerts... The city officials doesn't want to deal with political fallout of the protests, and they were okay with the status qou because they were getting the tax revenue already. But, whatever the polls say now when everything's just drawings... constituents (including state constituents) wouldn't be happy if the team actually leaves the state.... Even if it is within driving distance.... It's not a politically smart thing for the government nor a financially smart one. Their opponents will literally run on that issue.

Only reason that has been deemed politically safe to lose a team is using tax payer money. That's not the case here, and even then you lose a bunch of the population. Plus with those tax credits, and the ability to build more around it.... The NJ deal still seems like the better deal for them honestly


Anyone who has ever tried to drive in downtown Philly during the week knows, you aren't going to a game in the City and driving. It would probably take you a half hour to get to the location now, with 10-15K people trying to get to the same location, you're probably looking at an hour to get within a 5 block radius of the arena (and that might be a generous estimate) and then, once you get close, you will probably have trouble finding parking, and the parking you do find will probably be $40 easily as the people who own the lots will jack up the rates. What's going to happen is people will park somewhere outside of the downtown area and take public transportation to the location. But that presents a new level of risk for the commuter.


People are going to take public transit (subway, commuter rail, etc.) to the new downtown arena. You know, like people in pretty much every other city do.

I'd love to see the Venn diagram between people against this arena and those concerned about climate change. Two perfectly overlapping circles lol.
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Post#122 » by WC NBA Fan » Fri Sep 20, 2024 4:45 pm

fkd215 wrote:A downtown arena is appealing, but not worth it if it harms or displaces Chinatown. I'd rather Philadelphia have a thriving Chinatown than a new arena. I also wonder why it couldn't have been built someplace else, maybe around 30th street station where it's equally connected to highway and SEPTA, but there's all that open industrial land. Even putting it in the Disney Hole on 8th might be slightly better.


I would hope that they could come to some sort of compromise with Chinatown as well. If it's just one city block, I don't see how it could displace anyone although I understand the concerns about traffic and owners of Chinatown establishments worrying that people will no longer come because of traffic and what not but with all the people coming in via rail, you will have foot traffic replacing cars and I would think that an extra 18,000 spectators at the venue can only be a good thing for business

Also, I hear about cultural issues and what not. Aren't there ways that they can integrate Chinese and Chinatown culture into the arena? In DC, the exterior signage is written in Chinese due to it's presence in Chinatown. I'm not saying that's the answer or even what they should do but is an example of the culture being preserved
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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#123 » by Tony Franciosa » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:30 pm

It remains to be seen if Chinatown would support anything going into the spot that is currently the dying/dead old Gallery (Fashion District) space. I doubt they would because they seem to cry foul on any new development remotely in that area. Feels like they'd rather have an giant empty premium location.
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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#124 » by Negrodamus » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:45 pm

I'll make a pledge to eat in Chinatown before every game I go to when they move to Center City. I otherwise never really go to the area currently.
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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#125 » by mjkvol » Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:34 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:As a selfish jersey shore resident i hate this. I love how easy it is to get to the sports complex. I probably won't go to any sixers games once this is built and that's okay. Phillies games are more fun anyway.


As a fellow shore resident, leaving it in the sports complex or moving to Camden would have been ideal, but I haven't gone to a Sixers game in so long that it matters little. Completely agree that Phillies games are a blast.
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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#126 » by GoSixersBro » Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:26 pm

Unless a friend has extremely close seats to the court and invites me, I never go to games anymore. Seen enough of them in my childhood and I honestly believe the in-person experience for pro bball is the least fun atmosphere of the four major sports (I say this when basketball is my fav sport and Sixers are my #1 team).

I'd check out the new arena but I don't have any skin in this argument to get all amped up one way or the other. It just sucks our TV duo are awful to listen to.
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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#127 » by Snotbubbles » Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:57 pm

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Again I don't live in Philly and never will, but it was my understanding that it wasn't about to be built on top of Chinatown.

These arenas take up a few blocks, maybe less if they're smart parking and not creating a parking lot at all (maybe a small VIP deck that's like $200+) they can add to an area or perhaps create a booming area.

I know when I saw some of the anti arena reasoning being "it will slow down ambulances", that it was not hurting much. It was spin from Comcast and the city. Comcast wants the revenue from concerts... The city officials doesn't want to deal with political fallout of the protests, and they were okay with the status qou because they were getting the tax revenue already. But, whatever the polls say now when everything's just drawings... constituents (including state constituents) wouldn't be happy if the team actually leaves the state.... Even if it is within driving distance.... It's not a politically smart thing for the government nor a financially smart one. Their opponents will literally run on that issue.

Only reason that has been deemed politically safe to lose a team is using tax payer money. That's not the case here, and even then you lose a bunch of the population. Plus with those tax credits, and the ability to build more around it.... The NJ deal still seems like the better deal for them honestly


Anyone who has ever tried to drive in downtown Philly during the week knows, you aren't going to a game in the City and driving. It would probably take you a half hour to get to the location now, with 10-15K people trying to get to the same location, you're probably looking at an hour to get within a 5 block radius of the arena (and that might be a generous estimate) and then, once you get close, you will probably have trouble finding parking, and the parking you do find will probably be $40 easily as the people who own the lots will jack up the rates. What's going to happen is people will park somewhere outside of the downtown area and take public transportation to the location. But that presents a new level of risk for the commuter.


People are going to take public transit (subway, commuter rail, etc.) to the new downtown arena. You know, like people in pretty much every other city do.

I'd love to see the Venn diagram between people against this arena and those concerned about climate change. Two perfectly overlapping circles lol.


That other cities do it doesn't make it a solid argument in favor of it.
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Post#128 » by Monix » Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:53 am

GoSixersBro wrote:I honestly believe the in-person experience for pro bball is the least fun atmosphere of the four major sports (I say this when basketball is my fav sport and Sixers are my #1 team).

you prefer watching NFL players stand around for 70% of a 3 hour game in person?
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Post#129 » by GoSixersBro » Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:45 am

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GoSixersBro wrote:I honestly believe the in-person experience for pro bball is the least fun atmosphere of the four major sports (I say this when basketball is my fav sport and Sixers are my #1 team).

you prefer watching NFL players stand around for 70% of a 3 hour game in person?


Nope. Like I said, basketball is my favorite sport but the atmosphere, intensity and presentation of an Eagles game blows the Sixers games out of the water imo.
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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#130 » by M2J » Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:13 pm

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GoSixersBro wrote:I honestly believe the in-person experience for pro bball is the least fun atmosphere of the four major sports (I say this when basketball is my fav sport and Sixers are my #1 team).

you prefer watching NFL players stand around for 70% of a 3 hour game in person?


Nope. Like I said, basketball is my favorite sport but the atmosphere, intensity and presentation of an Eagles game blows the Sixers games out of the water imo.



I think it depends on your seat quality. Great seats in the NBA is awesome theater because you're so close. To the action and players on sideline.

Hard to follow football in person without great seats. But the atmosphere is great

Baseball is better in person IMO than on tv, but definitely not better than the others.

Never done hockey in person
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Re: Josh Harris busting out the "Camden Sixers" threats 

Post#131 » by mjkvol » Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:22 pm

GoSixersBro wrote:Unless a friend has extremely close seats to the court and invites me, I never go to games anymore. Seen enough of them in my childhood and I honestly believe the in-person experience for pro bball is the least fun atmosphere of the four major sports (I say this when basketball is my fav sport and Sixers are my #1 team).

I'd check out the new arena but I don't have any skin in this argument to get all amped up one way or the other. It just sucks our TV duo are awful to listen to.


Yeah, hoops and football are TV sports while baseball and hockey are far better in person.

Damn, I wish they'd make a change in the broadcast team, but I'm afraid she's here as long as she wants.
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Post#132 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 2, 2024 3:13 am

If my understaing is right, I believe the best location for the 76ers to build their new arena is in Chinatown due to its accessibility. However, preserving the cultural identity of Chinatown is crucial. In my opinion, the team should incorporate elements of Asian culture into the arena’s design, similar to how other developments have integrated local cultural aspects when building in culturally significant areas.

The alternative option is to build on other location, but that would require additional investment in infrastructure to ensure accessibility.
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Post#133 » by 76ciology » Fri Oct 4, 2024 2:27 am

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GoSixersBro wrote:Unless a friend has extremely close seats to the court and invites me, I never go to games anymore. Seen enough of them in my childhood and I honestly believe the in-person experience for pro bball is the least fun atmosphere of the four major sports (I say this when basketball is my fav sport and Sixers are my #1 team).

I'd check out the new arena but I don't have any skin in this argument to get all amped up one way or the other. It just sucks our TV duo are awful to listen to.


Yeah, hoops and football are TV sports while baseball and hockey are far better in person.

Damn, I wish they'd make a change in the broadcast team, but I'm afraid she's here as long as she wants.

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Of course, because why not.

I don't play those games, but that would be reason enough to quit.
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Post#136 » by the_process » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:25 pm

Congrats to Josh getting through the 1st council vote successfully. One to go and he will have his downtown arena.

Also this hopefully gets us closer to him selling the team.

I think the downtown arena will be a great thing in the long run. It's a shame the Phillies aren't down there nearby somewhere too, but that's a question for 2040.
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Post#137 » by Tony Franciosa » Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:58 pm

as a current suburbanite who hates driving and as a former resident of South Philly who still thinks the 'sports complex' is one of the most unappealing swatches of land in the city, I'm in favor of this. It will be 30 minutes door to door by train from my house in Glenside once it's open.
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Post#138 » by M2J » Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:17 pm

Driving home after games/concerts truly is the worst part
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Post#139 » by Tony Franciosa » Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:18 pm

so this was approved today - I think Mayor sign-off is the final step. truly can't wait for it to open... this will be a great space for the team and the city (despite the naysayers - who are mostly just parroting Comcast talking points)
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Post#140 » by the_process » Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:33 pm

Tony Franciosa wrote:so this was approved today - I think Mayor sign-off is the final step. truly can't wait for it to open... this will be a great space for the team and the city (despite the naysayers - who are mostly just parroting Comcast talking points)


Philly has very strong NIMBY tendencies anyway, it didn't take much push from the Comcast propaganda machine.

The Wells Fargo Center will be completely obsolete when this thing opens. They will be booking lots of "Sesame Street on Ice" type gigs to make up for all the concerts that go downtown instead. And the city is very unlikely to help Comcast build a new hockey only arena. Maybe Spectacor can get hired to do the event booking at the Sixers arena? :lol:

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