Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets)

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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#81 » by Capn'O » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:10 pm

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ProcessDoctor wrote:Wiggins/Melton/GPII/picks for Butler works.

Not without Kuminga it doesn't.


Kuminga under Spo would be straight up nasty.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#82 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:11 pm

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ProcessDoctor wrote:Wiggins/Melton/GPII/picks for Butler works.

Not without Kuminga it doesn't.


Disagree. I think if you’re Miami you get what you can, and based on the teams involved, I don’t think there are going to be better offers.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#83 » by BBallFreak » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:12 pm

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ProcessDoctor wrote:Wiggins/Melton/GPII/picks for Butler works.

Not without Kuminga it doesn't.


Disagree. I think if you’re Miami you get what you can, and based on the teams involved, I don’t think there are going to be better offers.

Disagree. It just takes one other team to show interest.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#84 » by HeatIn5 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:26 pm

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BBallFreak wrote:Not without Kuminga it doesn't.


Disagree. I think if you’re Miami you get what you can, and based on the teams involved, I don’t think there are going to be better offers.

Disagree. It just takes one other team to show interest.


Definitely don't see the Heat taking Wiggins. The point is to get to 2026-2027 either contending or with clean books outside of Bam
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#85 » by mkot » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:42 pm

It always go south real quick when things don't go well for Jimmy Butler.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#86 » by scrabbarista » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

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scrabbarista wrote:Would love to add Butler to Houston, but I don't see any possible deal that I would like. Then again, it's not my job to find such deals.

If a deal exists, it would be a big risk for Stone to take, as he already has more or less perfect standing reputationally.

EDIT: The FVV for Butler one is worth considering, for sure. But I'm not sure I would do it as Houston, and I'm not sure Miami would do it either. Unless someone could talk me into it, I'd probably rather just keep FVV. The scary part is Butler's availability.



Yeah, I could see Riley getting a multi team trade going dude loves those. We have other guys who should move too Terry. Duncan Robinson low key would kill it on team with a big. I have nightmares thinking about him on the Nuggets or the Wolves.


I checked Butler's stats this season and they're better than I expected, although he doesn't shoot threes. That made me a bit more open to the idea. I guess we'll see.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#87 » by Hoops3355 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

mkot wrote:It always go south real quick when things don't go well for Jimmy Butler.



Naw. Love the man and generally a model citizen. This is the org moving on. I doubt he's ready to leave given the investment he made down here.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#88 » by Effigy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:55 pm

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BBallFreak wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Wiggins/Melton/GPII/picks for Butler works.

Not without Kuminga it doesn't.


Disagree. I think if you’re Miami you get what you can, and based on the teams involved, I don’t think there are going to be better offers.


Yep. And i'm not even certain the picks would include any firsts.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#89 » by _GH0ST_ » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:03 pm

The Heat don't owe anyone any favors. They'd rather let him go in the summer and create cap space than trade him for just fillers.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#90 » by miamiheat319 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:05 pm

If the Miami Heat trade Jimmy Butler for Andrew Wiggins, I’ll blow my brains out live on realgm
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#91 » by BBallFreak » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:06 pm

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BBallFreak wrote:Not without Kuminga it doesn't.


Disagree. I think if you’re Miami you get what you can, and based on the teams involved, I don’t think there are going to be better offers.


Yep. And i'm not even certain the picks would include any firsts.

Then why would we bother? Jimmy isn't a problem. We can just let him walk and do better than this hodgepodge of garbage people are trying to sell us.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#92 » by Fadeaway_Jumper » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:09 pm

Sad that Jimmy is looked at as the problem

He literally had to put the Heat on his back the two trips they made to the finals because the best help they could provide him was limited offense Bam and an injury prone Tyler Herro
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#93 » by BBallFreak » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:14 pm

Fadeaway_Jumper wrote:Sad that Jimmy is looked at as the problem

He literally had to put the Heat on his back the two trips they made to the finals because the best help they could provide him was limited offense Bam and an injury prone Tyler Herro

We don't look at him as the problem. Most of us agree that the front office didn't do enough. This is about Jimmy wanting a max extension and Miami not wanting to give it to him.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#94 » by Maxthirty » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:15 pm

Bloodbather wrote:If a trade for Jimmy happens, I expect his destination to be Golden State, not Houston. The Warriors are in a situation where a short-term move like this makes sense, Steph and Draymond are in their twilight years and their team is pretty good but not good enough to contend. Jimmy could move the needle. The Rockets, on the other hand, are not as close and they have a young team so should be thinking long term.

Wiggins, Kuminga, and a couple of first round picks probably gets it done. Has to be a three-team trade to match the salaries.


Holy whaaaaa… Wiggins, Kuminga, and multiple first rounders? GS shouldn’t do that trade even if it was split in half.

Edit: Oh, you’re a Heat fan. That makes sense.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#95 » by NW » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:24 pm

The trade with the Warriors with no teams added and works financially and roster wise (getting to minimum roster without exceeding the apron) would be Kuminga/Wiggins/Melton/GP2 for Butler/Bryant/Burks/Richardson.

Kills their perimeter defense, point of attack defense and spacing imo. Don't see the Warriors doing that.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#96 » by giberish » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:27 pm

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Bloodbather wrote:If a trade for Jimmy happens, I expect his destination to be Golden State, not Houston. The Warriors are in a situation where a short-term move like this makes sense, Steph and Draymond are in their twilight years and their team is pretty good but not good enough to contend. Jimmy could move the needle. The Rockets, on the other hand, are not as close and they have a young team so should be thinking long term.

Wiggins, Kuminga, and a couple of first round picks probably gets it done. Has to be a three-team trade to match the salaries.


Holy whaaaaa… Wiggins, Kuminga, and multiple first rounders? GS shouldn’t do that trade even if it was split in half.

Edit: Oh, you’re a Heat fan. That makes sense.


If GS believes that Butler can work with the rest of the roster - and his methodical style isn't an easy fit - I'd expect the deal to be Wiggins, Melton, Kunminga probably Looney (maybe Payton) for Butler and a couple cheap Miami guys (needed for roster spot matching). Kunminga is very likely in the deal as it would get very expensive going forward with both him and Butler. Maybe GS included their 2025 1st (mostly protected by their current record, but with at least top-4 protection in case things go wrong).

There's no way GS gives up multiple 1sts that would include picks past the point where Curry (and Butler) would be top players and the team likely starting a rebuild to some degree.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#97 » by Wolfgang630 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:28 pm

Why is Jimmy always jumping teams? Speaks volumes on him that he can’t stay at one place for long
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#98 » by Effigy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:30 pm

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Effigy wrote:
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Disagree. I think if you’re Miami you get what you can, and based on the teams involved, I don’t think there are going to be better offers.


Yep. And i'm not even certain the picks would include any firsts.

Then why would we bother? Jimmy isn't a problem. We can just let him walk and do better than this hodgepodge of garbage people are trying to sell us.


Trying to make trades, you need contracts to trade back. None of those deals are hard to move. Bring them in, build them up and trade them for more assets. You could also get a couple 2nds instead of letting him walk for nothing. I know you guys are focused on the idea of clearing cap space, and that has worked for you at times, but can't be relied on.
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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#99 » by John Murdoch » Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:04 pm

Ironically back to Minny would be awesome , Randle/DDV / lotto pro 1st

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Re: Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets) 

Post#100 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:10 pm

People trying to sell Miami on garbage or cap space are wasting their time. They'll end up with space either way when/if Jimmy walks and they don't need to get rid of him for any team related reasons, he's getting along fine with everyone and working hard. Its purely a money issue.

The real problem is the NBA's incentive structure, which is all about underpaying young players and avoiding older guys that will command higher salaries and almost always underperform those salaries. Unfortunately there's no easy fix or workaround for this.

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