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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#41 » by Psubs » Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:53 am

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Scase wrote:IQ starts 100% of the time, regardless of any of his flaws he is indisputably a better player than Davion, defence be damned. Scottie should be facilitating mostly and IQ can run off guard, but I think there will be matchups where IQ runs point and we look to have a more traditional team structure.

Scottie even with as good as his facilitation is, he isn't a PG and can't do things a smaller more agile guard can. Some games we will need IQ driving and kicking it out, he has that speed and ability and Scottie doesn't. IQ will always be listed as the PG in the lineups, it's how the guys are used that will change.

One thing to take into account is that IQ has spoken in the past about wanting to grow his game to be more of a PG instead of an off ball shooter like he was in NYC, so I wonder how that works if the team is basically telling him to be an off ball shooter. Might be an internal issue, or it might not, something of note though.

My bigger concern is how IQ coming back ends up impacting GD, Ochai obviously is important to the defence, but GD is a much higher ceiling prospect than Ochai, and having him relegated to the bench unit is probably not the best for him developmentally.

If this truly is a developmental season, it should be a lineup of IQ/RJ/GD/SB/KP with Ochai likely being 6th man.


my thought it be a bit of both....Scottie and IQ will take turns handling the ball, but they will be the 2 primary ball-handlers


Have IQ and Barnes run PnR and put Poeltl in the dunker's spot to get more offensive rebounds!
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#42 » by Tripod » Wed Dec 11, 2024 5:10 am

I want IQ running around screens for catch n shoot 3's

I want Barnes to have reps as the screener to be able to baxj diwn his man as an option but also pass out to IQ, a cutting RJ or Ochai, or a pass over the defense to Yak

I want RJ and Yak to also play a 2 man game PnR that works so well.

With IQ back we just have more options to do more things. But what I also would do, is have IQ as the 1st guy subbed off. Then Gradey comes in and they can still have a shooting threat while it just means Barnes and RJ initiate more.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#43 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:02 am

IQ is more of a scoring PG. Scottie will still handle primary playmaking duties. On defence, obviously you want IQ as the POA defender on the opposing PG.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#44 » by MoneyBall » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:42 pm

Others have already mentioned it, but Dick should be coming off the bench. He'll be able to take more shots that way. Ochai has earned the last starting spot.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#45 » by djsunyc » Wed Dec 11, 2024 5:26 pm

MoneyBall wrote:Others have already mentioned it, but Dick should be coming off the bench. He'll be able to take more shots that way. Ochai has earned the last starting spot.


ochai will be starting, along with davion + rj + yak.

with scottie out, i think you have to start gradey over jakobe b/c he commands more defensive attention with all this off ball movement.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#46 » by ConSarnit » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:11 pm

MoneyBall wrote:Others have already mentioned it, but Dick should be coming off the bench. He'll be able to take more shots that way. Ochai has earned the last starting spot.


81% of Dick's 2pa are assisted. 94% of his 3pa are assisted. For reference, OG was at 73% and 95% last year and we all know he can't create his own shot at all. In order to maximize Dick he needs to be on the floor with a good playmaker (preferably multiple). He won't be able to get more shots if there isn't anyone who can get him those looks.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#47 » by TerryTate » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:57 pm

We're not paying IQ that much to be a 6th man. Just being realistic here.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#48 » by MoneyBall » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:18 pm

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MoneyBall wrote:Others have already mentioned it, but Dick should be coming off the bench. He'll be able to take more shots that way. Ochai has earned the last starting spot.


81% of Dick's 2pa are assisted. 94% of his 3pa are assisted. For reference, OG was at 73% and 95% last year and we all know he can't create his own shot at all. In order to maximize Dick he needs to be on the floor with a good playmaker (preferably multiple). He won't be able to get more shots if there isn't anyone who can get him those looks.

Coming off the bench doesn't mean that he only plays alongside bench players. In any case, it can be good for him to learn diverse ways to score.

I just don't think you want all 5 of your best and highest usage offensive players on the court at once. There's only one basketball.

Besides, Ochai earned it as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#49 » by Tripod » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:53 am

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MoneyBall wrote:Others have already mentioned it, but Dick should be coming off the bench. He'll be able to take more shots that way. Ochai has earned the last starting spot.


81% of Dick's 2pa are assisted. 94% of his 3pa are assisted. For reference, OG was at 73% and 95% last year and we all know he can't create his own shot at all. In order to maximize Dick he needs to be on the floor with a good playmaker (preferably multiple). He won't be able to get more shots if there isn't anyone who can get him those looks.

Coming off the bench doesn't mean that he only plays alongside bench players. In any case, it can be good for him to learn diverse ways to score.

I just don't think you want all 5 of your best and highest usage offensive players on the court at once. There's only one basketball.

Besides, Ochai earned it as far as I'm concerned.

It's not even about earning it, it's about better balance.

IQ can do what Dick had been doing and more. Ochai can be the POA defender so others can save their energy for offense. And you still get a corner 3 shooter.

Then IQ subs off and Dick comes on. Seemless substitution.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#50 » by PoundTown » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:28 am

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MoneyBall wrote:Others have already mentioned it, but Dick should be coming off the bench. He'll be able to take more shots that way. Ochai has earned the last starting spot.


81% of Dick's 2pa are assisted. 94% of his 3pa are assisted. For reference, OG was at 73% and 95% last year and we all know he can't create his own shot at all. In order to maximize Dick he needs to be on the floor with a good playmaker (preferably multiple). He won't be able to get more shots if there isn't anyone who can get him those looks.


Not completely true. OG offensively didn’t do as good of a job moving and getting open off-ball. A lot of what Dick gets is because he moves off-ball really well and with great effort to do so. He then rises up or quickly gets to the basket resulting in an assisted play. But, it’s not like he’s just sitting around waiting for the shots, he’s getting himself open much of the time as well. So, I do think dick off the bench could work just fine. He seems to work well with jakobe and Kelly too. Anyways, we might never have this issue if we can never get healthy.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#51 » by MoneyBall » Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:39 pm

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81% of Dick's 2pa are assisted. 94% of his 3pa are assisted. For reference, OG was at 73% and 95% last year and we all know he can't create his own shot at all. In order to maximize Dick he needs to be on the floor with a good playmaker (preferably multiple). He won't be able to get more shots if there isn't anyone who can get him those looks.

Coming off the bench doesn't mean that he only plays alongside bench players. In any case, it can be good for him to learn diverse ways to score.

I just don't think you want all 5 of your best and highest usage offensive players on the court at once. There's only one basketball.

Besides, Ochai earned it as far as I'm concerned.

It's not even about earning it, it's about better balance.

IQ can do what Dick had been doing and more. Ochai can be the POA defender so others can save their energy for offense. And you still get a corner 3 shooter.

Then IQ subs off and Dick comes on. Seemless substitution.

I agree with you that it's about having a better balance, that's my main point. I also think Ochai earned it.
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Re: Scottie or IQ at point? 

Post#52 » by ConSarnit » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:01 pm

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MoneyBall wrote:Others have already mentioned it, but Dick should be coming off the bench. He'll be able to take more shots that way. Ochai has earned the last starting spot.


81% of Dick's 2pa are assisted. 94% of his 3pa are assisted. For reference, OG was at 73% and 95% last year and we all know he can't create his own shot at all. In order to maximize Dick he needs to be on the floor with a good playmaker (preferably multiple). He won't be able to get more shots if there isn't anyone who can get him those looks.


Not completely true. OG offensively didn’t do as good of a job moving and getting open off-ball. A lot of what Dick gets is because he moves off-ball really well and with great effort to do so. He then rises up or quickly gets to the basket resulting in an assisted play. But, it’s not like he’s just sitting around waiting for the shots, he’s getting himself open much of the time as well. So, I do think dick off the bench could work just fine. He seems to work well with jakobe and Kelly too. Anyways, we might never have this issue if we can never get healthy.


I agree that he's a much better off-ball mover than OG. I think he would be a good fit with Olynyk who can take up some of the playmaking slack. My push back is more against the idea that Dick will get more shots off the bench. That will a) likely result in him getting fewer minutes and b) isn't really the way it works for off-ball shooter types (they aren't usually leading bench units in usage/scoring). Will he be involved, yes? Will he get more shots? I have my doubts. There could be long term value in getting him self created reps (as another poster mentioned) but that is also a tank move as we saw glimpses of what a Dick led offense looked like in summer and pre-season and it was not good (he doesn't have those skills yet).

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