2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[EMC5466]

Ethan Skolnick sounds like an absolute moron on his podcast trying to shill for the organization and blame everything on Shams.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ethan Skolnick sounds like an absolute moron on his podcast trying to shill for the organization and blame everything on Shams.

He’s an idiot who beat up his elderly dad I don’t know why people take his word with anything more than a grain of salt

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Collins is being showcased, probably by directives of FO to their Coach, to increase trade value

[twix2500]

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The Heat are frozen until the Butler situation has been finalized. But That is the guy I want.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Seems pretty clear to me Jimmy wants to be here but the Heat aren’t sure if they want to keep him here at the money he wants because he wants to be paid what he thinks he deserves so we’re being proactive for once and gauging his value around the league. With that being the case Jimmy and his agent have given them some teams he’d be interested in joining if they’re going to go the route of trading him.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Seems pretty clear to me Jimmy wants to be here but the Heat aren’t sure if they want to keep him here at the money he wants because he wants to be paid what he thinks he deserves so we’re being proactive for once and gauging his value around the league. With that being the case Jimmy and his agent have given them some teams he’d be interested in joining if they’re going to go the route of trading him.

I'm always amazed at the greed of humans.


If I was filthy rich like these guys.... I would only ask for like $5-10mil one time payment. I'd place most of it in low yield bonds to give me a nice chunk of change as passive income every year. Current US Treasury bonds are paying 4% interest. That means, 5 million at 4% interest is $200,000 a year without lifting a finger. Don't even have to work, and I'd be earning a top 0.01% salary every year, just off the interest.

The rest, I'd put into a nice house and setup.


Meanwhile, these basketball guys have made TENS if not HUNDREDS of millions.... even after taxes, that's so much money. And they will destroy relationships and career trajectories over more. Bro, at some point, more money is just decadence. You have enough to do whatever you want to do.

And don't compare a NBA player to average people and their jobs. We don't have generational wealth. So, the difference between $60,000 a year and $120,000 a year is A LOT of money to a normal person.

But Jimmy already makes $48m this year. Even after taxes and feeds, bro.... you can do whatever you want for the rest of your life.

These guys are just stupid.

Just like Wade with his childish crap near the end.


If even MORE money is worth destroying relationships, and it means that much to him, send Jimmy packing, I don't want him here anymore

[dshearn]

See ya Jovic Ware and Jaime!!!

I'm a little wary of John Collins, after he messed up his hand on the Hawks his shot has never been the same.

Best shooting season of his career currently at 44% from 3 on 3 attempts

In a world the Heat keep Duncan, Collins and Duncan's shot chart use to line up perfectly for the hand off game. That would be a pair that is hard to defensively switch on, and hard to go underneath on (we all know what Duncan can do when teams go overly the top on him)

I don't know what Collins shot chart looks like these days, but this might be a case of a good player, that fits really well in at least some of the things Miami likes to do.

[AirP.]

Seems pretty clear to me Jimmy wants to be here but the Heat aren’t sure if they want to keep him here at the money he wants because he wants to be paid what he thinks he deserves so we’re being proactive for once and gauging his value around the league. With that being the case Jimmy and his agent have given them some teams he’d be interested in joining if they’re going to go the route of trading him.

I'm always amazed at the greed of humans.


If I was filthy rich like these guys.... I would only ask for like $5-10mil one time payment. I'd place most of it in low yield bonds to give me a nice chunk of change as passive income every year. Current US Treasury bonds are paying 4% interest. That means, 5 million at 4% interest is $200,000 a year without lifting a finger. Don't even have to work, and I'd be earning a top 0.01% salary every year, just off the interest.

The rest, I'd put into a nice house and setup.


Meanwhile, these basketball guys have made TENS if not HUNDREDS of millions.... even after taxes, that's so much money. And they will destroy relationships and career trajectories over more. Bro, at some point, more money is just decadence. You have enough to do whatever you want to do.

And don't compare a NBA player to average people and their jobs. We don't have generational wealth. So, the difference between $60,000 a year and $120,000 a year is A LOT of money to a normal person.

But Jimmy already makes $48m this year. Even after taxes and feeds, bro.... you can do whatever you want for the rest of your life.

These guys are just stupid.

Just like Wade with his childish crap near the end.


If even MORE money is worth destroying relationships, and it means that much to him, send Jimmy packing, I don't want him here anymore

Amazed at greed yet you're the one being greedy saying players should sacrifice money so the team you follow will be better.

There's a salary cap and it's up for the FO to decide how they spend their cap on players. Maybe, just maybe Butler looks at himself being worth more than Robinson and Rozier combined who make 45 mil combined yet no mention on those 2 or crying about the FO were the ones who thought those 2 were worth their salaries to make Miami's roster a bit tight.

From what I've heard in interviews and from announcers, Butler's put his health on the line for teams he's played for throughout his career, a couple years ago Brian Scalabrine mentioned during the playoffs Butler having knee issues and took a couple of shots to the knee just to be able to play certain games in the playoffs. In Minnesota he tore his meniscus and elected to have it removed (only 6 weeks rehab) vs repaired so he could help get back during the regular season to help Minnesota make the playoffs for the first time in 14 years (which the FO still prioritized the younger players over him), that decision probably is leading to his current issues as a player now and just as a human being after his career is over.

I'd ask why fans in player's pockets are so much, but I already know why, because you want them to sacrifice so "your" team can be better. Each and every one of them should be trying to get as much money as they can. If you want to be angry, be angry at the FO's who give out this money.

I absolutely was against Robinson being signed for 90 mil over 5 years but I wasn't mad at him, I was mad at Miami's FO. What's funny about that particular amount and years is this...

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How are you going to feel when players are making 100 million a year in less than a decade from now because it's coming.

[MartyConlonJr]

Seems pretty clear to me Jimmy wants to be here but the Heat aren’t sure if they want to keep him here at the money he wants because he wants to be paid what he thinks he deserves so we’re being proactive for once and gauging his value around the league. With that being the case Jimmy and his agent have given them some teams he’d be interested in joining if they’re going to go the route of trading him.

I'm always amazed at the greed of humans.


If I was filthy rich like these guys.... I would only ask for like $5-10mil one time payment. I'd place most of it in low yield bonds to give me a nice chunk of change as passive income every year. Current US Treasury bonds are paying 4% interest. That means, 5 million at 4% interest is $200,000 a year without lifting a finger. Don't even have to work, and I'd be earning a top 0.01% salary every year, just off the interest.

The rest, I'd put into a nice house and setup.


Meanwhile, these basketball guys have made TENS if not HUNDREDS of millions.... even after taxes, that's so much money. And they will destroy relationships and career trajectories over more. Bro, at some point, more money is just decadence. You have enough to do whatever you want to do.

And don't compare a NBA player to average people and their jobs. We don't have generational wealth. So, the difference between $60,000 a year and $120,000 a year is A LOT of money to a normal person.

But Jimmy already makes $48m this year. Even after taxes and feeds, bro.... you can do whatever you want for the rest of your life.

These guys are just stupid.

Just like Wade with his childish crap near the end.


If even MORE money is worth destroying relationships, and it means that much to him, send Jimmy packing, I don't want him here anymore

I agree in part except every player just going "I only need this much, no more thanks" just lines the pockets of owners. If they could reduce cost of league pass, tickets, concessions etc to make it more accessible for the average fan by all the rich people taking less, then great.

But I do take your point with Wade and also Butler. The need to get a bag at this point is just ego. Neither can say it actually is necessary. In the case where you care about winning and legacy and actually hooping, it does get in the way.

I still understand the Miami Heat front office and why they approached Wade that way. They saw the opportunity to give Wade what Riley THOUGHT he wanted, which was to keep a competitive team around him. Of course, Whiteside ended up at bit of fools gold, but the idea to lock in what looked like an all star defensive center etc and keep competing, to help Wade build his resume further, at the cost of some $$$ seemed reasonable. But it was taken as disrespect by Wade which I also understand.

The same may happen with Jimmy now - that money can be spent to keep the Heat relevant while Jimmy declines as he ages, or we can give him the bag and limit the team.

[AirP.]

Seems pretty clear to me Jimmy wants to be here but the Heat aren’t sure if they want to keep him here at the money he wants because he wants to be paid what he thinks he deserves so we’re being proactive for once and gauging his value around the league. With that being the case Jimmy and his agent have given them some teams he’d be interested in joining if they’re going to go the route of trading him.

I'm always amazed at the greed of humans.


If I was filthy rich like these guys.... I would only ask for like $5-10mil one time payment. I'd place most of it in low yield bonds to give me a nice chunk of change as passive income every year. Current US Treasury bonds are paying 4% interest. That means, 5 million at 4% interest is $200,000 a year without lifting a finger. Don't even have to work, and I'd be earning a top 0.01% salary every year, just off the interest.

The rest, I'd put into a nice house and setup.


Meanwhile, these basketball guys have made TENS if not HUNDREDS of millions.... even after taxes, that's so much money. And they will destroy relationships and career trajectories over more. Bro, at some point, more money is just decadence. You have enough to do whatever you want to do.

And don't compare a NBA player to average people and their jobs. We don't have generational wealth. So, the difference between $60,000 a year and $120,000 a year is A LOT of money to a normal person.

But Jimmy already makes $48m this year. Even after taxes and feeds, bro.... you can do whatever you want for the rest of your life.

These guys are just stupid.

Just like Wade with his childish crap near the end.


If even MORE money is worth destroying relationships, and it means that much to him, send Jimmy packing, I don't want him here anymore

I agree in part except every player just going "I only need this much, no more thanks" just lines the pockets of owners. If they could reduce cost of league pass, tickets, concessions etc to make it more accessible for the average fan by all the rich people taking less, then great.

But I do take your point with Wade and also Butler. The need to get a bag at this point is just ego. Neither can say it actually is necessary. In the case where you care about winning and legacy and actually hooping, it does get in the way.

I still understand the Miami Heat front office and why they approached Wade that way. They saw the opportunity to give Wade what Riley THOUGHT he wanted, which was to keep a competitive team around him. Of course, Whiteside ended up at bit of fools gold, but the idea to lock in what looked like an all star defensive center etc and keep competing, to help Wade build his resume further, at the cost of some $$$ seemed reasonable. But it was taken as disrespect by Wade which I also understand.

The same may happen with Jimmy now - that money can be spent to keep the Heat relevant while Jimmy declines as he ages, or we can give him the bag and limit the team.

Here's a question, who would you rather have for around 45-50 mil a year, Butler for the next few years or Rozier and Robinson? I'm going with Butler. Maybe the FO should be spending their money better vs players taking less than their worth.

[MartyConlonJr]

For all our bitching and complaining, Heat were just voted by execs as a top 3 front office with OKC and Celtics. Both OKC and Boston got very fortunate in swags of draft picks with trades with dumb GMs, not to discount them as those trades are hard to do, but they are playing with hot cards right now.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm a little wary of John Collins, after he messed up his hand on the Hawks his shot has never been the same.

Best shooting season of his career currently at 44% from 3 on 3 attempts

In a world the Heat keep Duncan, Collins and Duncan's shot chart use to line up perfectly for the hand off game. That would be a pair that is hard to defensively switch on, and hard to go underneath on (we all know what Duncan can do when teams go overly the top on him)

I don't know what Collins shot chart looks like these days, but this might be a case of a good player, that fits really well in at least some of the things Miami likes to do.

I don’t understand the resistance to Collins at the 4 after all the bums we’ve been running at that spot for so many years. Maybe most are just content with the Highsmith’s and whatever bust we keep running out there. Same resistance was met with adding PJ Washington by many.

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[lastb1ckman]

Best shooting season of his career currently at 44% from 3 on 3 attempts

In a world the Heat keep Duncan, Collins and Duncan's shot chart use to line up perfectly for the hand off game. That would be a pair that is hard to defensively switch on, and hard to go underneath on (we all know what Duncan can do when teams go overly the top on him)

I don't know what Collins shot chart looks like these days, but this might be a case of a good player, that fits really well in at least some of the things Miami likes to do.

I don’t understand the resistance to Collins at the 4 after all the bums we’ve been running at that spot for so many years. Maybe most are just content with the Highsmith’s and whatever bust we keep running out there. Same resistance was met with adding PJ Washington by many.

My main issue was his shooting. I looked at a lot of hawks fans complaining about Collins in his last couple seasons there because he lost his touch. He isn't that good of a defender, so when he lost his shot, he became an overpaid negative on the court.

[dshearn]

Best shooting season of his career currently at 44% from 3 on 3 attempts

In a world the Heat keep Duncan, Collins and Duncan's shot chart use to line up perfectly for the hand off game. That would be a pair that is hard to defensively switch on, and hard to go underneath on (we all know what Duncan can do when teams go overly the top on him)

I don't know what Collins shot chart looks like these days, but this might be a case of a good player, that fits really well in at least some of the things Miami likes to do.

I don’t understand the resistance to Collins at the 4 after all the bums we’ve been running at that spot for so many years. Maybe most are just content with the Highsmith’s and whatever bust we keep running out there. Same resistance was met with adding PJ Washington by many.

When you look at the 2022 version of him...dude would fit like a glove...hitting 40-ish% in that dribble hand off area, then did a ton of work under the basket...

That keeps the dribble handoff in play as you set up iso for butler, and does not infringe on Bam's left hand side jump shot game...

There is a legit fit here...

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/john-collins-shot-chart-2022

[oreon]

For all our bitching and complaining, Heat were just voted by execs as a top 3 front office with OKC and Celtics. Both OKC and Boston got very fortunate in swags of draft picks with trades with dumb GMs, not to discount them as those trades are hard to do, but they are playing with hot cards right now.

That just based on reputation. If we go on actual decisions for the past 2-3 years, I don't think they are top 5. And OKC & Celtics got those picks by doing what Heat refused to do a season ago. When they knew they weren't a legit contender they moved their aging stars while they had max value. Heat could have done so last year and maybe gotten a great return.

[twix2500]

For all our bitching and complaining, Heat were just voted by execs as a top 3 front office with OKC and Celtics. Both OKC and Boston got very fortunate in swags of draft picks with trades with dumb GMs, not to discount them as those trades are hard to do, but they are playing with hot cards right now.

That just based on reputation. If we go on actual decisions for the past 2-3 years, I don't think they are top 5. And OKC & Celtics got those picks by doing what Heat refused to do a season ago. When they knew they weren't a legit contender they moved their aging stars while they had max value. Heat could have done so last year and maybe gotten a great return.

You cant say you are not a contender if you are in the finals. That is just ridiculous. If they won the finals, what? they werent legit winners?

[lastb1ckman]

When it comes to comes to Jimmy, I just wonder what percentage of people think he's actually going to be worth the max over the next 4 years.

I mean his fall off is coming soon, it comes to everyone. He's not even the best guy on the team now, and its supposed be a "contract year". But it seems like a lot of fans just think somehow it's different this time. And that they wouldn't be complaining about him and his antics in 2 years when he's averaging 15 pts a game and commanding 50+ million a year.

We gave Herro, Duncan, Rozier, Tyler Johnson etc **** for being over paid, but they make peanuts compared to Jimmy.