NFC North

[bluejerseyjinx]

still?

where is the preseason prediction thread? no one thought the vikings would be good

Page #2. Near top.

[Worm Guts]

Do we all still think Lions, Vikings and Packers all make the playoffs?

At this point, only the Packers realistically have some chance of not making the playoffs. And yes, I think they make it.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Vikings have a huge decision at the end of the season. Should they and will they sign Sam Darnold?

[Worm Guts]

Vikings have a huge decision at the end of the season. Should they and will they sign Sam Darnold?

My guess is no, won’t sign him, but we still need to see how things go in the playoffs.

[QB_Eagles]

Vikings have a huge decision at the end of the season. Should they and will they sign Sam Darnold?

It'll depend on how he plays in the postseason.

[hermes]

it depends on how much money he wants

[bluejerseyjinx]

it depends on how much money he wants

Not sure what your team's salary cap is looking forward, but what kind of offer would you like see the Vikings make?

[hermes]

it depends on how much money he wants

Not sure what your team's salary cap is looking forward, but what kind of offer would you like see the Vikings make?

are you mistaking me for duke or worm again? i can barely name half the players on the team much less know the cap situation for the next few years

normally we're always in pretty good shape cap-wise because we have a great cap guy (if rob brzenzski is still there). won't be as good if we go forward with the rookie, might have to cut back on some talent elsewhere if we toss a little money sam's way

[hermes]

the qb salary market is messed up
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2024/position/qb/sort/contract_average

why aren't we paying average qb's average money? drops off a cliff once you get to baker mayfield

[bluejerseyjinx]

it depends on how much money he wants

Not sure what your team's salary cap is looking forward, but what kind of offer would you like see the Vikings make?

are you mistaking me for duke or worm again? i can barely name half the players on the team much less know the cap situation for the next few years

normally we're always in pretty good shape cap-wise because we have a great cap guy (if rob brzenzski is still there). won't be as good if we go forward with the rookie, might have to cut back on some talent elsewhere if we toss a little money sam's way

Nope. I was hoping to get more discussion on other football matters to cheer you up and get you all involved. Like you said, too much Cowboy talk. We should be talking more about the Vikings and Lions. They deserve the attention.

[Cactus Jack]

the qb salary market is messed up
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2024/position/qb/sort/contract_average

why aren't we paying average qb's average money? drops off a cliff once you get to baker mayfield

Because teams are foolish. Guys like Dak should not be making more than twice as much as Geno on average.

[Duke4life831]

I’ll join in on the Darnold talk. I do think the Vikings are in quite a predicament.

Darnold has essentially played right around a top 5 QB level this year. What are the chances that JJ steps in year 1 (year 1 of him playing) and matches that? It’s pretty low.

The Vikings are going to be top 10 in available salary cap going into next offseason.

So basically the question, do you give Sam a big deal (multi year or franchise tag) and try to just give this roster (close to it) another ride? Or do you use all that cap to fix some big time holes (interior line on both ends and DB) and get 4 more years of a super cheap QB with JJ’s rookie deal.

I do think at this point Sam has out played any chance of coming back to the Vikings, unless he takes them to the Super Bowl.

I’m pretty sure the front office is betting on KOC truly being one of the best QB whispers in the game. And that he can make JJ a top 15ish QB next year and have an even better supporting cast than they do right now.

[bluejerseyjinx]

So how will this effect J.J. McCarthy moving forward?

[hermes]

how much is a franchise tag for a qb?

the other side of this is what's darnold thinking? is he just after the most money?

the team can just point to cousins, who was in this same good situation darnold is in now but kirk chased all the money in the world (which is what most anyone would have done) and it isn't working out. they'll need to see how the rest of the season turns out (if darnold completely falls apart in the playoffs they probably move on from him) but as of right now the vikings probably say "sam, we can't pay you $40-50+m a year and still be competitive. we can do like $20-30m for 2-3 years and roll this back" then see if he takes it

[Worm Guts]

If both sides are looking to compromise, another 1 year deal worth 30-40 million dollars might make the most sense.

I know pretty much everyone in the secondary this year for the Vikings will be a free agent, so the Vikings may need the money to field the team they want next year.

[hermes]

and we need cam bynum to come back, he's got the best celebrations

[Duke4life831]

So how will this effect J.J. McCarthy moving forward?

As of right now, I think unless Sam leads the Vikings to the Super Bowl, the plan is JJ is the starting QB next year and the Vikings get 4 more years of not having to pay the QB big money.

[Duke4life831]

how much is a franchise tag for a qb?

the other side of this is what's darnold thinking? is he just after the most money?

the team can just point to cousins, who was in this same good situation darnold is in now but kirk chased all the money in the world (which is what most anyone would have done) and it isn't working out. they'll need to see how the rest of the season turns out (if darnold completely falls apart in the playoffs they probably move on from him) but as of right now the vikings probably say "sam, we can't pay you $40-50+m a year and still be competitive. we can do like $20-30m for 2-3 years and roll this back" then see if he takes it

Most are projecting the tag for a QB to be around the 41 mil mark. The other thing to consider with the franchise tag is all of it is a single year hit to the cap. So there is no cap magic to be done with it. No pushing numbers or multiple years to ease the hit. All 40+ mil will be a 1 year hit.

And ya I think the most the Vikings would probably do is like a Baker kind of deal (3 years for 100 mil and half of it is guaranteed).

But this isn’t the greatest QB draft class and I won’t be shocked if a team offers him 40+ per year.

[bluejerseyjinx]

So how will this effect J.J. McCarthy moving forward?

As of right now, I think unless Sam leads the Vikings to the Super Bowl, the plan is JJ is the starting QB next year and the Vikings get 4 more years of not having to pay the QB big money.

If your right and the Vikings go down this path, can't help but wonder what options open up for Sam Darnold.

[Duke4life831]

So how will this effect J.J. McCarthy moving forward?

As of right now, I think unless Sam leads the Vikings to the Super Bowl, the plan is JJ is the starting QB next year and the Vikings get 4 more years of not having to pay the QB big money.

If your right and the Vikings go down this path, can't help but wonder what options open up for Sam Darnold.

Unless he just implodes to end the season or in the playoffs I think he’s going to be the bell of the ball in free agency next summer.

Looking at teams that could be looking for a new QB next year. Raiders, NY x2, Saints, and Titans off the top of my head. And not a deep QB draft class. I won’t be shocked if a team offers him 45+ per year.

Ya no doubt there will be a view of how much of this is KOC. But Sam was a top 3 pick for a reason. Dude is big, pretty damn athletic for his size, and has a rocket arm. So I’m sure there will be teams thinking 2 years under Shanahan than KOC may have helped coach out the “seeing ghosts” aspect of him.