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Re: Warriors @ Rockets : NBA Cup Quarterfinals 

Post#221 » by Onus » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:34 am

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… Looney setting a screen doesn’t force Steph to take a shot. Shouldn’t have to be said, trying to put it on Looney is way too creative a way to shield Steph from criticism

It forces Steph to move.

Trying to blame this on Steph is way too creative way to shield the refs/kerr/gp2/dray/looney from criticism.

Steph actually got a really good shot. He just missed it. And if he doesn’t take it early we might not even get a chance to shoot again if the scrum happens and the refs still decide to call a foul.


:lol: are you serious? Quit always justifying a bad position youve taken

If he shoots it at 4 seconds, it takes a second to get to the rim. It takes a second to land, and that's if its clean. If its not, its game over. Sure, anyone could be blamed for a 1 pt loss. But if you think Steph took a good shot with that much time left, in a defensive game, its ridiculous. He makes dumb plays too, and this was a dumb play.

Say he takes more time and misses and we foul. Same outcome.

Yes he could’ve taken more time but looney forced him to move. Why did looney come up so early? No reason at all he can actually look at the clock. That’s on looney.

You’re trying to play this what if game. And just saying if you want to play that game then go into it and call out the real culprit which is looney coming up too early which starts everything.
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Re: Warriors @ Rockets : NBA Cup Quarterfinals 

Post#222 » by vvoland » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:36 am

Refs stole this one. Not getting the TO, the terrible foul call, the no call on the podz three. All of that in the last 4 seconds.

None of that would have mattered if Steph shot with under 2 seconds left on the shot clock. It was an open three but all you needed to do was shoot out as the clock expired and the rockets probably can't even secure the rebound before the clock expires.
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Post#223 » by ILOVEIT » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:38 am

Last four possession -
Turnover
Missed 3
Turnover
Missed 3

At some point PLEASE get to the F'ing line to secure a win!
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Post#224 » by Onus » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:39 am

Also look at the time difference between game and shot clock. Say curry runs it down to the end the scrum still happens and we foul before time runs out. Curry shooting early doesn’t affect that. Smh there’s more time left on the clock for us to shoot than there is a difference in the game and shot clock.
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Post#225 » by watch1958 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:48 am

Getting to play Podz and LW3. Kerr is on cloud nine.
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Post#226 » by Sandy333 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:49 am

We have no who can create a shot or force a foul except a out of control kuminga or a hail Mary steph three. This teams flatters, raises hope of a win and then proceeds to deceive. That is why thus team is the biggest fraud of a team.
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Post#227 » by powerball1373 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:51 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
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… Looney setting a screen doesn’t force Steph to take a shot. Shouldn’t have to be said, trying to put it on Looney is way too creative a way to shield Steph from criticism

It forces Steph to move.

Trying to blame this on Steph is way too creative way to shield the refs/kerr/gp2/dray/looney from criticism.

Steph actually got a really good shot. He just missed it. And if he doesn’t take it early we might not even get a chance to shoot again if the scrum happens and the refs still decide to call a foul.


:lol: are you serious? Quit always justifying a bad position youve taken

If he shoots it at 4 seconds, it takes a second to get to the rim. It takes a second to land, and that's if its clean. If its not, its game over. Sure, anyone could be blamed for a 1 pt loss. But if you think Steph took a good shot with that much time left, in a defensive game, its ridiculous. He makes dumb plays too, and this was a dumb play.


I don't really have a problem with Steph's shot. He was open, and if he makes it, he's doing a night-night. Also, I'm guessing the previous possessions were in his head, where they couldn't even get a shot off at all. Make or miss league, and he just happened to miss this one. It happens, shrug.
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Post#228 » by DonaldSanders » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:04 am

Onus wrote:I’m kind of shocked they didn’t start looney considering how much looney locks up Sengun.



This drove me nuts all game. Looney basically owns Sengun but plays 11 minutes, half of them with Sengun off the court.

Very easy game to tell Dray, hey we won last time with Loon starting, so he gets the start. You will close. No idea why we couldn't try to replicate the prior game instead of trying to figure out something new and going down a ton of points.

I think Kuminga also plays better with Loon, who rebounds his misses better and sets better screens. Dray also was wild tonight with turnovers, and deserved to be yanked multiple times. 5 TO for Dray... yet Looney owns the Rockets/Sengun and languishes on the bench. Sigh.
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Post#229 » by Romulus » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:11 am

A few things.

This team won't stop committing turnovers. I just watched a game against an outmanned Dallas team during the 73 win season and the only reason the game was close was because of the turnovers. The difference then and now? The team was simply better then and now they can't get away with it anymore. So, Steve Kerr has never addressed this issue. Draymond and Steph just make some of the craziest, risky, passes anyone has ever seen. They're good passers but come on.

In this game against the Rockets on the last possession of the 3rd quarter, Kerr refused to bring Curry back in the game. Of course they didn't score and I think everyone was thinking that might be a costly decision. Losing by 1 point, that decision looks so much worse.

So much is wrong with this team. They're fading fast right now. And I still view a trade -- any trade -- as unlikely.

What a mess.
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Post#230 » by Romulus » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:14 am

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Onus wrote:I’m kind of shocked they didn’t start looney considering how much looney locks up Sengun.



This drove me nuts all game. Looney basically owns Sengun but plays 11 minutes, half of them with Sengun off the court.

Very easy game to tell Dray, hey we won last time with Loon starting, so he gets the start. You will close. No idea why we couldn't try to replicate the prior game instead of trying to figure out something new and going down a ton of points.

I think Kuminga also plays better with Loon, who rebounds his misses better and sets better screens. Dray also was wild tonight with turnovers, and deserved to be yanked multiple times. 5 TO for Dray... yet Looney owns the Rockets/Sengun and languishes on the bench. Sigh.


Great point. Looney has played so well this season and for some reason hasn't gotten more deserved minutes. Tonight him not playing more could very well have been the difference between winning and losing.
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Post#231 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:50 am

DonaldSanders wrote:
Onus wrote:I’m kind of shocked they didn’t start looney considering how much looney locks up Sengun.



This drove me nuts all game. Looney basically owns Sengun but plays 11 minutes, half of them with Sengun off the court.

Very easy game to tell Dray, hey we won last time with Loon starting, so he gets the start. You will close. No idea why we couldn't try to replicate the prior game instead of trying to figure out something new and going down a ton of points.

I think Kuminga also plays better with Loon, who rebounds his misses better and sets better screens. Dray also was wild tonight with turnovers, and deserved to be yanked multiple times. 5 TO for Dray... yet Looney owns the Rockets/Sengun and languishes on the bench. Sigh.


They went with the sand analytics starting unit instead of playing match ups.

I kinda get it. They tried it, now hope kerr diesnt abandon analytics.
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Post#232 » by whatisacenter » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:56 am

LOL at the usual suspect blasting Kuminga after this game.

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Post#233 » by HiRez » Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:59 am

Why is no one asking why GP2 didn't call timeout once he secured the ball? He had nowhere to go with it. He was fouled, yes, but should have called for time. [edit: never mind, I see the question was asked a few times, that's what I get for skipping to the last few pages]

Kerr' s failure to challenge the Kuminga foul is bizarre, unless I missed them already using their challenge earlier?
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Post#234 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:52 am

HiRez wrote:Why is no one asking why GP2 didn't call timeout once he secured the ball? He had nowhere to go with it. He was fouled, yes, but should have called for time. [edit: never mind, I see the question was asked a few times, that's what I get for skipping to the last few pages]

Kerr' s failure to challenge the Kuminga foul is bizarre, unless I missed them already using their challenge earlier?


Kerr called for the timeout. Refs ignored him.

If he challenged and lost, he couldn't move the ball up past halfcourt after a made ft.

It's was technically a foul. But it should have been a play on and rockets ball considering that same thing just had happened to gp2 when he got tackled. And a no call was given on that.
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Post#235 » by floppymoose » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:46 am

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Post#236 » by WarriorGM » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:14 pm

How to put this?

The closing lineup didn't close.
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Post#237 » by Onus » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:40 pm

Romulus wrote:A few things.

This team won't stop committing turnovers. I just watched a game against an outmanned Dallas team during the 73 win season and the only reason the game was close was because of the turnovers. The difference then and now? The team was simply better then and now they can't get away with it anymore. So, Steve Kerr has never addressed this issue. Draymond and Steph just make some of the craziest, risky, passes anyone has ever seen. They're good passers but come on.

In this game against the Rockets on the last possession of the 3rd quarter, Kerr refused to bring Curry back in the game. Of course they didn't score and I think everyone was thinking that might be a costly decision. Losing by 1 point, that decision looks so much worse.

So much is wrong with this team. They're fading fast right now. And I still view a trade -- any trade -- as unlikely.

What a mess.

This was a development game. We’re still tinkering with lineups. Steve has no clue who to play. We weren’t trying to go all out to win this game. Which is why it’s hilarious Kerr was trying to act like he was trying to go to Vegas.

Your lineup choices said otherwise.
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Post#238 » by Onus » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:42 pm

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Onus wrote:I’m kind of shocked they didn’t start looney considering how much looney locks up Sengun.



This drove me nuts all game. Looney basically owns Sengun but plays 11 minutes, half of them with Sengun off the court.

Very easy game to tell Dray, hey we won last time with Loon starting, so he gets the start. You will close. No idea why we couldn't try to replicate the prior game instead of trying to figure out something new and going down a ton of points.

I think Kuminga also plays better with Loon, who rebounds his misses better and sets better screens. Dray also was wild tonight with turnovers, and deserved to be yanked multiple times. 5 TO for Dray... yet Looney owns the Rockets/Sengun and languishes on the bench. Sigh.


They went with the sand analytics starting unit instead of playing match ups.

I kinda get it. They tried it, now hope kerr diesnt abandon analytics.

Who told him to play 11 players in the first half in a must win game?
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Post#239 » by Onus » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:45 pm

WarriorGM wrote:How to put this?

The closing lineup didn't close.

Kerr doesn’t have a closing lineup. He has a I suck at determining who should play lineup to close though.

He keeps subbing people in and out for certain possessions then they have to play the other side of the court and he’s stuck.

Like wtf is a lineup of curry/gp2/jk/dray/looney supposed to do on offense?
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Post#240 » by Jester_ » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:56 pm

Onus wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:How to put this?

The closing lineup didn't close.

Kerr doesn’t have a closing lineup. He has a I suck at determining who should play lineup to close though.

He keeps subbing people in and out for certain possessions then they have to play the other side of the court and he’s stuck.

Like wtf is a lineup of curry/gp2/jk/dray/looney supposed to do on offense?


kerr's always been ass at late game rotations. we lost a championship because of it (and I'd argue we should've at least push kawhi to 7)

with steph he didn't have too many close games to learn from. last night's was particularly abonimable - if podz is taking your hail mary game winner something has gone horribly wrong

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