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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1901 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:59 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Keep Jimmy and add Fox or AD

If we keep Jimmy we don't have the draft pick fire power to compete for any of those players. As of today we only have one true tradeable 1st in 2030 due to picks locked up due to stipulations with OKC and Charlotte. We have middling young trade prospects in Jovic and JJJ. I would say Ware is probably our best young trade chip right now but not enough to be put a deal over the the top. If we keep Jimmy it's going to be Bam, Jimmy, and Herro and whatever smart surrounding additions they can make with attaching the middling prospects with the contracts of Rozier or Duncan.
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Post#1902 » by AirP. » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:59 pm

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AirP. wrote:I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.
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I wasn't expecting Arison to cosign Bernie Lee's comment yesterday. If you have commitment from the ownership then there's nothing more to really discuss other then this is just a hot rumor and obviously something that causes max news for the talking heads. Butler is eligible to negotiate extra years of he takes this to free agency next year. Heat hold plenty of leverage even with Butler hitting free agency. Even if by some miracle a team opens up enough cap space which is highly doubtful the Heat stand to benefit with his 50 million cap hit alleviating any tax concerns. In the end Butler and the Heat most likely come to agreement spreading out the money and helping out with the cap. That's just my current guess after the Lee blasting Shams and Arison backing it up.

Right, Miami can use Butler leaving to get out of the tax but this owner isn't going back into the tax without what he considers a star on his roster. Now about being out of the tax, that doesn't mean you have all that much money for free agents, there's a gap between available FA money and the tax.

There are many lines now with team roster salaries.

1. The minimum line of 90% (126.5 mil) of the salary cap, either teams pay this much for their roster or have to distribute the money under that line to the players on the roster.
2. The salary cap (140.6 mil), an amount of money the team has to add players from free agency.
3. The tax line (170.8 mil).
4. The 1st apron (178 mil).
5. The 2nd apron (188 mil).

So, just using last year's numbers as an example (above), not having Butler's contract (49 mil) from the current 184.9 mil contract leaves Miami with a roster cost of ~136 leaving Miami with 4 mil for a free agent but could have used the MLE without going into the tax. Miami won't be just exchanging Butler's contract with the same money, they'll be getting under the tax and won't have much money to hunt to sign players in FA, they'll have to try to do a S&T for free agents like they did with Butler.

I'm pretty sure ownership won't be allowing the FO to be in the tax without a star and with the repeater tax looming they may have to get out of the tax completely for the next 2 years but more than likely out of the tax until the next star is in Miami which could be a while. Having no real hope year after year is brutal, some of you started going through that right before Butler showed up in Miami.
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Post#1903 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:03 pm

As the current situation stands I think the organization will make a strong playoff push this year with Butler and pay out the 2025 pick to OKC. This will then give them there unprotected pick free and clear in 2026 and Hornets will have there top 20 protected pick in 2027. Next year 2029 and 2031 1st will open up to be traded.
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Post#1904 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:06 pm

AirP. wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
AirP. wrote:I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.
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I wasn't expecting Arison to cosign Bernie Lee's comment yesterday. If you have commitment from the ownership then there's nothing more to really discuss other then this is just a hot rumor and obviously something that causes max news for the talking heads. Butler is eligible to negotiate extra years of he takes this to free agency next year. Heat hold plenty of leverage even with Butler hitting free agency. Even if by some miracle a team opens up enough cap space which is highly doubtful the Heat stand to benefit with his 50 million cap hit alleviating any tax concerns. In the end Butler and the Heat most likely come to agreement spreading out the money and helping out with the cap. That's just my current guess after the Lee blasting Shams and Arison backing it up.

Right, Miami can use Butler leaving to get out of the tax but this owner isn't going back into the tax without what he considers a star on his roster. Now about being out of the tax, that doesn't mean you have all that much money for free agents, there's a gap between available FA money and the tax.

There are many lines now with team roster salaries.

1. The minimum line of 90% (126.5 mil) of the salary cap, either teams pay this much for their roster or have to distribute the money under that line to the players on the roster.
2. The salary cap (140.6 mil), an amount of money the team has to add players from free agency.
3. The tax line (170.8 mil).
4. The 1st apron (178 mil).
5. The 2nd apron (188 mil).

So, just using last year's numbers as an example (above), not having Butler's contract (49 mil) from the current 184.9 mil contract leaves Miami with a roster cost of ~136 leaving Miami with 4 mil for a free agent but could have used the MLE without going into the tax. Miami won't be just exchanging Butler's contract with the same money, they'll be getting under the tax and won't have much money to hunt to sign players in FA, they'll have to try to do a S&T for free agents like they did with Butler.

I'm pretty sure ownership won't be allowing the FO to be in the tax without a star and with the repeater tax looming they may have to get out of the tax completely for the next 2 years but more than likely out of the tax until the next star is in Miami which could be a while. Having no real hope year after year is brutal, some of you started going through that right before Butler showed up in Miami.

If they can't come to an agreement at the end of the season then this will most likely end up with in a Butler in a S&T that brings back the Heat tradeable contracts but also keeps them under the lux tax. Like I mentioned it's highly doubtful a team frees up enough space or is even motivated to do it in order to sign the aging Butler in the apron era.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1905 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:06 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Keep Jimmy and add Fox or AD

If we keep Jimmy we don't have the draft pick fire power to compete for any of those players. As of today we only have one true tradeable 1st in 2030 due to picks locked up due to stipulations with OKC and Charlotte. We have middling young trade prospects in Jovic and JJJ. I would say Ware is probably our best young trade chip right now but not enough to be put a deal over the the top. If we keep Jimmy it's going to be Bam, Jimmy, and Herro and whatever smart surrounding additions they can make with attaching the middling prospects with the contracts of Rozier or Duncan.


Fox would be this summer, send out the 2030 and any other pick that opens up due to being a new year, and all or a combo of Jovic Jaime and Ware for the expiring Fox represented by Klutch
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Post#1906 » by AirP. » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:07 pm

ZoStrong wrote:
AirP. wrote:I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.
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He already missed 5 of 22 games. He should be fresh and as heathy as he can be, so, sure, probably got some springs in his steps rn. Let's see how the season pans out (or, until the trade deadline)

If you really gonna build around Bam and see next 6 years as his prime, would you waste the first half of that window w the aging Butler who's been playing 50 , 60 games for several years now and Heat being a long shot to make it out of the East as the team is built now? Or should the management find a younger stud to pair with him for the entire window? Idk, depending on who we get, I guess. But i don't think the first option is better than the second just because we love Jimmy n what he's done here

Finding a younger stud to pair with him is the choice but how's that search been going since LeBron left? Do you not think the FO hasn't been looking high and low for that player for the past few years when Miami was close?

Right now, I'd say you keep Butler until the wheels fall of vs a very high probability of having him leave and having a bunch of midlevel talent around Bam.

It's incredible to me that people just expect the next star to show up when Butler leaves, just for the past half decade the Heat's roster has been set up for a start to just push his way to Miami and have Butler and Bam's 2-way play that got them to the finals twice complement that new star's scoring yet that never happened. Toss in the new apron rules and it may be even more difficult to acquire high level players.
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Post#1907 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:08 pm

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Post#1908 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:11 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Keep Jimmy and add Fox or AD

If we keep Jimmy we don't have the draft pick fire power to compete for any of those players. As of today we only have one true tradeable 1st in 2030 due to picks locked up due to stipulations with OKC and Charlotte. We have middling young trade prospects in Jovic and JJJ. I would say Ware is probably our best young trade chip right now but not enough to be put a deal over the the top. If we keep Jimmy it's going to be Bam, Jimmy, and Herro and whatever smart surrounding additions they can make with attaching the middling prospects with the contracts of Rozier or Duncan.


Fox would be this summer, send out the 2030 and any other pick that opens up due to being a new year, and all or a combo of Jovic Jaime and Ware for the expiring Fox represented by Klutch

Picks 2029 and 2031 would open up after we pay out OKC this year. Rozier along with the young players and picks could potentially get something done in the summer if they are still on the roster before the deadline. Unfortunately Klutch or not there may be another Klutch friendly team that can beat that offer easily.
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Post#1909 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:12 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:As the current situation stands I think the organization will make a strong playoff push this year with Butler and pay out the 2025 pick to OKC. This will then give them there unprotected pick free and clear in 2026 and Hornets will have there top 20 protected pick in 2027. Next year 2029 and 2031 1st will open up to be traded.


Was curious on this, so we could go after Fox/AD this summer with 2 1sts Jaime Ware and Jovic potentially. I think both players value would be depressed and they would both have a big say in where they go (Fox expiring and represented by Klutch, AD helped bring them their only championship in the LeBron era thanks to Bam/Dragic injuries and 1st since Kobe).
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Post#1910 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:15 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:If we keep Jimmy we don't have the draft pick fire power to compete for any of those players. As of today we only have one true tradeable 1st in 2030 due to picks locked up due to stipulations with OKC and Charlotte. We have middling young trade prospects in Jovic and JJJ. I would say Ware is probably our best young trade chip right now but not enough to be put a deal over the the top. If we keep Jimmy it's going to be Bam, Jimmy, and Herro and whatever smart surrounding additions they can make with attaching the middling prospects with the contracts of Rozier or Duncan.


Fox would be this summer, send out the 2030 and any other pick that opens up due to being a new year, and all or a combo of Jovic Jaime and Ware for the expiring Fox represented by Klutch

Picks 2029 and 2031 would open up after we pay out OKC this year. Rozier along with the young players and picks could potentially get something done in the summer if they are still on the roster before the deadline. Unfortunately Klutch or not there may be another Klutch friendly team that can beat that offer easily.


That’s where the expiring comes into play, Fox will have a big say in where he wants to go. Klutch is just there to make it happen and potentially strong arm the Kings if it comes to it
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1911 » by AirP. » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:16 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
AirP. wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:I wasn't expecting Arison to cosign Bernie Lee's comment yesterday. If you have commitment from the ownership then there's nothing more to really discuss other then this is just a hot rumor and obviously something that causes max news for the talking heads. Butler is eligible to negotiate extra years of he takes this to free agency next year. Heat hold plenty of leverage even with Butler hitting free agency. Even if by some miracle a team opens up enough cap space which is highly doubtful the Heat stand to benefit with his 50 million cap hit alleviating any tax concerns. In the end Butler and the Heat most likely come to agreement spreading out the money and helping out with the cap. That's just my current guess after the Lee blasting Shams and Arison backing it up.

Right, Miami can use Butler leaving to get out of the tax but this owner isn't going back into the tax without what he considers a star on his roster. Now about being out of the tax, that doesn't mean you have all that much money for free agents, there's a gap between available FA money and the tax.

There are many lines now with team roster salaries.

1. The minimum line of 90% (126.5 mil) of the salary cap, either teams pay this much for their roster or have to distribute the money under that line to the players on the roster.
2. The salary cap (140.6 mil), an amount of money the team has to add players from free agency.
3. The tax line (170.8 mil).
4. The 1st apron (178 mil).
5. The 2nd apron (188 mil).

So, just using last year's numbers as an example (above), not having Butler's contract (49 mil) from the current 184.9 mil contract leaves Miami with a roster cost of ~136 leaving Miami with 4 mil for a free agent but could have used the MLE without going into the tax. Miami won't be just exchanging Butler's contract with the same money, they'll be getting under the tax and won't have much money to hunt to sign players in FA, they'll have to try to do a S&T for free agents like they did with Butler.

I'm pretty sure ownership won't be allowing the FO to be in the tax without a star and with the repeater tax looming they may have to get out of the tax completely for the next 2 years but more than likely out of the tax until the next star is in Miami which could be a while. Having no real hope year after year is brutal, some of you started going through that right before Butler showed up in Miami.

If they can't come to an agreement at the end of the season then this will most likely end up with in a Butler in a S&T that brings back the Heat tradeable contracts but also keeps them under the lux tax. Like I mentioned it's highly doubtful a team frees up enough space or is even motivated to do it in order to sign the aging Butler in the apron era.

S&T means the next year has started which also means those expiring contracts will be expiring the next season, you stay in the tax and start the repeater.

You have to get the expiring's THIS YEAR to get out of the tax for next season which means no S&T which is why it seems Butler's side said they're going to FA no matter what (no extension). I think Butler wants to stay in Miami but wants to be paid what he thinks he's worth and when he looks around and sees Robinson getting 20 mil, Rozier 25 mil, Herro 30 who hasn't been that good until this year, he feels he's worth a good amount of money. Best situation, Butler takes less on an extension to help the franchise out next year (smaller hit) but gets a no-trade clause to end his career in Miami.

Having Butler opt out and then sign a 3-year contract below the max (vs getting paid 50+ mil next year) seems like the best move overall and allows Miami's FO time to figure out how they pivot after the Butler era while adding 1-2 more tradable 1st that accumulate in that time, it also should help with trying to lessen and possibly with other moves, get out of the tax.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1912 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:19 pm

AirP. wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
AirP. wrote:Right, Miami can use Butler leaving to get out of the tax but this owner isn't going back into the tax without what he considers a star on his roster. Now about being out of the tax, that doesn't mean you have all that much money for free agents, there's a gap between available FA money and the tax.

There are many lines now with team roster salaries.

1. The minimum line of 90% (126.5 mil) of the salary cap, either teams pay this much for their roster or have to distribute the money under that line to the players on the roster.
2. The salary cap (140.6 mil), an amount of money the team has to add players from free agency.
3. The tax line (170.8 mil).
4. The 1st apron (178 mil).
5. The 2nd apron (188 mil).

So, just using last year's numbers as an example (above), not having Butler's contract (49 mil) from the current 184.9 mil contract leaves Miami with a roster cost of ~136 leaving Miami with 4 mil for a free agent but could have used the MLE without going into the tax. Miami won't be just exchanging Butler's contract with the same money, they'll be getting under the tax and won't have much money to hunt to sign players in FA, they'll have to try to do a S&T for free agents like they did with Butler.

I'm pretty sure ownership won't be allowing the FO to be in the tax without a star and with the repeater tax looming they may have to get out of the tax completely for the next 2 years but more than likely out of the tax until the next star is in Miami which could be a while. Having no real hope year after year is brutal, some of you started going through that right before Butler showed up in Miami.

If they can't come to an agreement at the end of the season then this will most likely end up with in a Butler in a S&T that brings back the Heat tradeable contracts but also keeps them under the lux tax. Like I mentioned it's highly doubtful a team frees up enough space or is even motivated to do it in order to sign the aging Butler in the apron era.

S&T means the next year has started which also means those expiring contracts will be expiring the next season, you stay in the tax and start the repeater.

You have to get the expiring's THIS YEAR to get out of the tax for next season which means no S&T which is why it seems Butler's side said they're going to FA no matter what (no extension). I think Butler wants to stay in Miami but wants to be paid what he thinks he's worth and when he looks around and sees Robinson getting 20 mil, Rozier 25 mil, Herro 30 who hasn't been that good until this year, he feels he's worth a good amount of money. Best situation, Butler takes less on an extension to help the franchise out next year (smaller hit) but gets a no-trade clause to end his career in Miami.

The best situation is exactly what I think happens in the end and Big Face coffee won't have to shut it's doors lol
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Post#1913 » by _GH0ST_ » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:23 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Keep Jimmy and add Fox or AD

They are not Pat Riley type players. He likes players like Rozier and Lowry.
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Post#1914 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:32 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Keep Jimmy and add Fox or AD

They are not Pat Riley type players. He likes players like Rozier and Lowry.


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Post#1915 » by Flash4thewin » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:55 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Fox would be this summer, send out the 2030 and any other pick that opens up due to being a new year, and all or a combo of Jovic Jaime and Ware for the expiring Fox represented by Klutch

Picks 2029 and 2031 would open up after we pay out OKC this year. Rozier along with the young players and picks could potentially get something done in the summer if they are still on the roster before the deadline. Unfortunately Klutch or not there may be another Klutch friendly team that can beat that offer easily.


That’s where the expiring comes into play, Fox will have a big say in where he wants to go. Klutch is just there to make it happen and potentially strong arm the Kings if it comes to it


I think the best way to reply is to remember that agents get paid on a commission basis, ain't no way they will guide a player to lose money, we are talking about about a 50 mil loss in forcing a trade. Remember if Fox stays, he is eligible for the 10 year vet Max which is 35% of the cap and he is also eligible for a no trade clause. Dont forget the love we are giving Jimmy right now over getting paid. This is a player who took us to two finals and we are treating him like a side chick, agents, players notice this.
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Post#1916 » by Gant » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:02 pm

Keith Smith knows the trade restrictions. Here he is on possible Butler deals from that perspective, focusing on swaps with the Suns, Rockets, Mavs and Warriors:

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2548/the-complexity-of-a-jimmy-butler-trade
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1917 » by ZoStrong » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:32 pm

AirP. wrote:
ZoStrong wrote:
AirP. wrote:I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.
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He already missed 5 of 22 games. He should be fresh and as heathy as he can be, so, sure, probably got some springs in his steps rn. Let's see how the season pans out (or, until the trade deadline)

If you really gonna build around Bam and see next 6 years as his prime, would you waste the first half of that window w the aging Butler who's been playing 50 , 60 games for several years now and Heat being a long shot to make it out of the East as the team is built now? Or should the management find a younger stud to pair with him for the entire window? Idk, depending on who we get, I guess. But i don't think the first option is better than the second just because we love Jimmy n what he's done here

Finding a younger stud to pair with him is the choice but how's that search been going since LeBron left? Do you not think the FO hasn't been looking high and low for that player for the past few years when Miami was close?

Right now, I'd say you keep Butler until the wheels fall of vs a very high probability of having him leave and having a bunch of midlevel talent around Bam.

It's incredible to me that people just expect the next star to show up when Butler leaves, just for the past half decade the Heat's roster has been set up for a start to just push his way to Miami and have Butler and Bam's 2-way play that got them to the finals twice complement that new star's scoring yet that never happened. Toss in the new apron rules and it may be even more difficult to acquire high level players.


Lol, I don't expect to find the the best player in history again. Just a young guy entering his prime and has chance to be a top 15 in the league, not history, will be fine. (How Jimmy was here) Don't have your expectations too unreal now.

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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1918 » by oreon » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:45 pm

AirP. wrote:I still get that health is a concern, but do you really think Butler is nearly done when he's currently dunking more than games played at age 35 which he hadn't done in any season his whole time in Miami?

What if, Butler's game and how he keeps himself in great shape can keep him a high level player deep into his 30s?

What I'm watching on the court this year to me doesn't really point towards a player that's nearly done. Why waste a few of Bam's prime years and take a massive step backwards if you don't have to, buy yourself a few more years to have the FO be more ready to pivot to a new build vs taking on some assets that probably won't bring back another high-level player in the next 2-3 years? If Herro's finally figured out his shot diet (will he be effective in the playoffs with teams able to scheme more against Miami) and the younger guys are developing, maybe 1 or 2 key moves could make this team a contender with Bam and Butler for the next few years.
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Yeah he's done as a top 10 player. Move him get the assets to possibly make a move for DeAaron Fox. This team has no shot against Boston with Butler making 50 mil for multiple seasons. A core of Fox, Herro and Bam doesnt beat Boston. But it gives you a longer window to add more pieces around them. It's a fact older players get worse every season. Butler is worse than he was last year. He will be worse next year than he is now. And even worse 2 seasons ago. If Heat want to be in denial over that, then we get more seasons like last year. Where they can get to round 2 because they compete hard but can't contend.
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