PG: Knicks vs ATL

[HEZI]

We didn't lose because of our defense we lost because we scored 100 pts on 43/26/60 splits which is putrid vs a not good defensive team. Couple that with 12 turnovers...

We didn't try and exploit Trae Young at all on the defensive end...absolute insanity.

And we were absolutely destroyed on the glass giving up 22 offensive rebounds...KAT and Hart are the only two guys that can grab rebounds.

Brunson abandoned his troops. When they needed him to step up and be Jalen Brunson, he just sat back and watched Tre Young take over on his own home floor. Not what you want to see from your captain

[TheGreenArrow]

Blitz Brunson and stay home in 3 point shooters.

Knicks don't have anyone else who can create and Thibs isn't imaginative enough to create easy looks.

On offense just swing the ball. Knicks will give up a million open 3s

We miss this guy badly

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We traded him for a better player so it was good trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem was and always will be the Mikal bridges trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We traded 5 1sts for a 6th man at best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was a franchise killing trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FrozenEnvelope]

Morning thoughts

It was clear and proven we are nowhere near where we need to be if we want to compete with Boston. The attention to detail, urgency and ability to play with adversity isn't where it needs to be. We got punched in the mouth last night and didn't respond.

But it's still one lowly game in December and we got 57 games to go to close that gap. Sure a trip to Vegas and the Cup would have looked sick on the bare trophy case but it's not a "real" trophy.

Dyson Daniels is really good defensively. Brunson isn't the first top guy he's made life difficult for them.

NBA players today just aren't prideful or care much about an opposing player dissing the logo at mid court. I hate it and wished someone would have snuffed Young but it is what it is. Fans take that stuff way more seriously then the players.

We are still a really good and talented team with a high ceiling but I'm starting to wonder if we do enough of the little things needed to get to that championship level. Maybe we are just D'Antoni's Suns?

[Buttah304]

It’s really not that hard to cripple what the Knicks want to do offensively. We’ve seen this time and time again.

If the opposition has a pair of defensive minded wings, or at least one who is 6’6”+ to hound Brunson/be physical/use their length/get in the passing lanes we tend to fold like a cheap suit.

We’ve seen this from Amen/Eason, Black/Suggs, Dyson/Hunter, Nesmith, Caruso, Jones, McDaniels, Dort/Williams and even other back court players whose literal job is to come off the bench just to bump JB off his spots.

Even though I feel there are plenty of counter measures to combat this we don’t deploy any other tactic other than the scouting report packets that Thibs provides before tip-off.

[j4remi]

- Pick and Roll defense collapsed with KAT's foul trouble.

- Hawks switchability meants our floor spacers couldn't shoot, if they can't shoot over a closeout then the floor spacing lacks teeth. Donte only needed an inch, OG and Mikal aren't close to that lethal.

- The POA defense once again looks soft. There's no grit, nobody fighting through screens or latching onto a ball-handler's hip to slow them down. It's just soft.

- The bench was a flop too, and that's with it's main three guys.

- There was also pretty rough timing for Hukporti to sprain an ankle, because the Hawks size was killing NY on the boards. Huk's the best big on the roster at clearing space for others to rebound, though Thibs prolly wouldn't have used him anyway.

- If a team is athletic enough to run in transition and switch on defense, the Knicks are a cold shooting streak away from being in deep trouble.

[LFGK]

The sky isn't falling, once Mitch gets back things will be better defensively. One of Hart/Bridges needs to go to the bench once Mitch returns and that will make the bench better

[3toheadmelo]

Blitz Brunson and stay home in 3 point shooters.

Knicks don't have anyone else who can create and Thibs isn't imaginative enough to create easy looks.

On offense just swing the ball. Knicks will give up a million open 3s

We miss this guy badly

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We traded him for a better player so it was good trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem was and always will be the Mikal bridges trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We traded 5 1sts for a 6th man at best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was a franchise killing trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KAT is the better talent but he doesn’t make his team mates better like Randle did! It’s the harsh brutal truth greenie!!

And I agree about mikal!! I never wanted Mikalikina!

[KnixinSix]

If you look at the whole body of work not just one game the biggest missing thing is interior paint protection and rebounding (especially when Towns not on the floor)

Its glaring as the biggest two issues. We NEVER under Thibs gave up so many offensive rebounds and 2nd and 3rd chance points per possession.

Also the stuff teams are doing now in the paint was no where near this before.

The answer has been what I have been saying. Our biggest need BY FAR is the elite rim protector types that we don’t have at the moment.

When that guy arrives either Mitch returning and/or trading for a Kessler type , this team becomes much closer again to what we looked like defensively and rebounding post the OG trade. In that case we were missing the key wing defender to pair with our elite rim protecting 5s. In this case we have the wings and now need to get the elite rim protector to pair with them.

[thebuzzardman]

We didn't lose because of our defense we lost because we scored 100 pts on 43/26/60 splits which is putrid vs a not good defensive team. Couple that with 12 turnovers...

We didn't try and exploit Trae Young at all on the defensive end...absolute insanity.

And we were absolutely destroyed on the glass giving up 22 offensive rebounds...KAT and Hart are the only two guys that can grab rebounds.

Brunson abandoned his troops. When they needed him to step up and be Jalen Brunson, he just sat back and watched Tre Young take over on his own home floor. Not what you want to see from your captain

He's probably playing hurt, because the backup PGs just aren't that good.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Reign23]

I just watched. man my panic-level is a 8 on a scale from 1-10...
you have a chance to go to Vegas and compete at least for SOMETHING, but you have THIS performance...
Losing to the Hawks, Barely hanging on a against a depleted Raptors team and losing the Pistons before that.
this is getting really really bad. If we are not a way better team by the end of the month I am looking HARD at trades if I'm Leon...

Coaching change needs to happen before trades, how many times does this guy need to be out coached? Last night they pointed out that Snyder told his team to just keep running because we'd flame out. How many times do we come out of halftime and just lay an egg, it's been a theme with him for years now. Ontop of that, the 4th quarter stats for this team have been horrific all season, we are -10.3 net rating n the 4th on the season which is second to last. The vast majority of the time the team is just tired, so we're in trouble when someone decides to have their young team with depth just run against us late in games.

I don't disagree, but you know the politics here. no way in hell they are dumping thibs this season.. j

[thebuzzardman]

Morning thoughts

It was clear and proven we are nowhere near where we need to be if we want to compete with Boston. The attention to detail, urgency and ability to play with adversity isn't where it needs to be. We got punched in the mouth last night and didn't respond.

But it's still one lowly game in December and we got 57 games to go to close that gap. Sure a trip to Vegas and the Cup would have looked sick on the bare trophy case but it's not a "real" trophy.

Dyson Daniels is really good defensively. Brunson isn't the first top guy he's made life difficult for them.

NBA players today just aren't prideful or care much about an opposing player dissing the logo at mid court. I hate it and wished someone would have snuffed Young but it is what it is. Fans take that stuff way more seriously then the players.

We are still a really good and talented team with a high ceiling but I'm starting to wonder if we do enough of the little things needed to get to that championship level. Maybe we are just D'Antoni's Suns?

So much time for gellin'

[KnixinSix]

The sky isn't falling, once Mitch gets back things will be better defensively. One of Hart/Bridges needs to go to the bench once Mitch returns and that will make the bench better

Last year our offense was no where near efficient but it often didnt matter. Why? Because we got so many darn offensive rebounds through Mitch or IHart which bailed out ugly possessions that turned in successful 2nd or 3rd chance opportunities.

2ndly the impact in the paint with that elite rim protector is GLARING.

Mitch and IHart inhaled rebounds so the other team wouldnt get nearly as many 2nd chance opportunities. Secondly their defense under there totally changed the way teams would play in the paint. That is not even in the same stratosphere right now.

If we want to keep Thibs as coach he will need the elite rim protector. Because he is quickly proving he cant coach optimally outside his preferred system.

[Reign23]

thankfully my ankle is better so I have a healthy distraction from the pressure of life - cause this fcking team isn't helping.

I really wanted that fcking cup and thought we had a legit shot. we're so fcking talented and that's how we played. embarrassing. would be one thing if we just got outplayed. but we looked soft and unprepared on both ends of the court.

it was tough

[mpharris36]

We didn't lose because of our defense we lost because we scored 100 pts on 43/26/60 splits which is putrid vs a not good defensive team. Couple that with 12 turnovers...

We didn't try and exploit Trae Young at all on the defensive end...absolute insanity.

And we were absolutely destroyed on the glass giving up 22 offensive rebounds...KAT and Hart are the only two guys that can grab rebounds.

Brunson abandoned his troops. When they needed him to step up and be Jalen Brunson, he just sat back and watched Tre Young take over on his own home floor. Not what you want to see from your captain

Brunson had a horrible game. Some of the possessions were maddening where he would dribble the air out of the ball and then do nothing with it for 20 seconds leading to a terrible shot. But here's the thing. Thibs also has to adjust.

Dyson Daniels is obviously a very talented defender and has size and quickness to bother Brunson. But ATL has one the biggest defensive liabilities in the sport and we didn't try to exploit the Trae Young matchup defensively at all. You spam Trae Young actions until they have to send help defenders and then you get them scrambling.

How many times to we try to bring Mikal Bridges to screen for Brunson? How many times did we try to post up Mikal on Trae Young? How many times did we run Mikal/KAT P&R and make Trae Young fight through screens.

Brunson is an elite offensive player but on a night he clearly doesn't have it when he has the thoughest matchup why not try something you know a little different to exploit ATL's big weakness defensively?

[LFGK]

The sky isn't falling, once Mitch gets back things will be better defensively. One of Hart/Bridges needs to go to the bench once Mitch returns and that will make the bench better

Last year our offense was no where near efficient but it often didnt matter. Why? Because we got so many darn offensive rebounds through Mitch or IHart which bailed out ugly possessions that turned in successful 2nd or 3rd chance opportunities.

2ndly the impact in the paint with that elite rim protector is GLARING.

Mitch and IHart inhaled rebounds so the other team wouldnt get nearly as many 2nd chance opportunities. Secondly their defense under there totally changed the way teams would play in the paint. That is not even in the same stratosphere right now.

If we want to keep Thibs as coach he will need the elite rim protector. Because he is quickly proving he cant coach optimally outside his preferred system.

Once Mitch gets back we will know where we stand. I honestly think inserting him into the 5 will fix a lot of things. Ppl wont be able to run so loosely to the rim and rebounding will be a lot better.

[TheGreenArrow]

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When the Knicks mad the the move they did they were betting ton brunson being that top 10 type of player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That doesn’t seem to be the case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Top 10 players don’t get shutdown by one guy like this constantly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KnixinSix]

The sky isn't falling, once Mitch gets back things will be better defensively. One of Hart/Bridges needs to go to the bench once Mitch returns and that will make the bench better

Last year our offense was no where near efficient but it often didnt matter. Why? Because we got so many darn offensive rebounds through Mitch or IHart which bailed out ugly possessions that turned in successful 2nd or 3rd chance opportunities.

2ndly the impact in the paint with that elite rim protector is GLARING.

Mitch and IHart inhaled rebounds so the other team wouldnt get nearly as many 2nd chance opportunities. Secondly their defense under there totally changed the way teams would play in the paint. That is not even in the same stratosphere right now.

If we want to keep Thibs as coach he will need the elite rim protector. Because he is quickly proving he cant coach optimally outside his preferred system.

Once Mitch gets back we will know where we stand. I honestly think inserting him into the 5 will fix a lot of things. Ppl wont be able to run so loosely to the rim and rebounding will be a lot better.

Under Thibs I think this is quickly proving to be the ONLY way to be successful.

He doesn't do nearly as well adapting vs running his preferred style. That doesn't mean he is a horrible coach per se but a limited coach that can only be great with the right set of guys.

[Iron Mantis]

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He did it after the buzzer.

Just like KAT could pop his collar and talk his talk in Toronto, Trae could rightfully celebrate his win.

Trae doesn't do that if the Knicks win. Knicks failed to execute. Getting mad at Trae after the game because we sucked at basketball is a sore loser move.

Just win.

What KAT did was very different than what Trae did. This team is extremely soft and that’s the truth. We play with zero grit, let players punk us, no one holds each other accountable. Just a soft team all around with no leadership.

I feel where you're coming from... But if the Knicks won and Trae did that exame same taunt no one would care. Just win.

The Hawks gave the most potent offense in the league so many open threes that this was an easy win....even gave us free throws. But guys didn't execute.

Just win. The team that won the championship last year just went out there and executed without all the extra stuff.

[Galvationknicks]

BITCH!!!

I hate any game this winnie the pooh faced basic bitch refs.

Oh it was this guy from last year was with her