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[ShootingtheJ]

This is the gray area, but I don't view this as aggragating. It's Patty C for Reed and Marjon for Ellis. Banton fits in to the minimum salary exception.

I would assume it comes down to whether or not the two moves depend on each other to happen. Can the trades be made singularly and all teams are happy? If yes, then its not aggregation i would think

People need to get realistic ( I know we're on real GM).

The Bucks aren't giving up a first round pick because some of us on this board think Paul Reed has value (he doesn't) or take a chance on two players that you hope will blossom (Ellis and Blanton). You trade first round picks for proven talent, not maybes.

They're only maybes to you. These guys play, and produce. We're not giving up the 1st for Paul Reed.

Ellis and Banton don't need to blossum, they're already more measurably productive than numerous players in our rotation.

[Bernman]

Mortgaging the future (projected top 5 pick) further for a couple role players, who frankly aren't even that good of ones, is grotesque. At least if I squint I could see core player in Keegan Murray & Cam Johnson, the same way Klay Thompson was. That's the minimum required, along w/ sufficient youth & contract length, to give up that pick. Otherwise it should be off limits.

[ShootingtheJ]

Mortgaging the future (projected top 5 pick) further for a couple role players, who frankly aren't even that good of ones, is grotesque. At least if I squint I could see core player in Keegan Murray & Cam Johnson, the same way Klay Thompson was. That's the minimum required, along w/ sufficient youth & contract length, to give up that pick. Otherwise it should be off limits.

Lol, projected top 5 pick? Giannis will still be a superstar by then.

[Ron Swanson]

Bucks Out: Brook, 2031 1st (Top-2 protected)
Bucks In: Myles Turner

Pacers Out: Myles Turner, James Wiseman
Pacers In: Gabe Vincent, Jaryd Vanderbilt, Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2031 MIL 1st, 2029 Top-5 protected LA 1st

Lakers Out: Vincent, Vando, JHS, 2029 1st
Lakers In: Brook, Wiseman (waived)

[Bernman]

Lol, projected top 5 pick? Giannis will still be a superstar by then.

All of what you're saying should be laughed at. Because Giannis will be 36-37. W/ your plan he will have moved on. There will be nobody for him to play w/ long before then. And you're sacrificing a 1st at that pt for low-level rotation players?

[JayMKE]

Moved too many picks as it is, not trading it to tinker around the edges.

[RogerMurdock]

People need to get realistic ( I know we're on real GM).

RealGM is short for RealisticGM.

[ShootingtheJ]

Lol, projected top 5 pick? Giannis will still be a superstar by then.

All of what you're saying should be laughed at. Because Giannis will be 36-37. W/ your plan he will have moved on. There will be nobody for him to play w/ long before then. And you're sacrificing a 1st at that pt for low-level rotation players?

Acquiring a quality starter and another potential starter. This season Giannis has been playing every game with at least 2 below replacement level starters.

Holding on to a pick so Horst can draft some late round scrub doesn't help Giannis now or in the future.

Again, this isn't even what I'm advocating for, but the Bucks are going to move the pick either way.

You want it to be traded for some undervalued young guys, or what the Bucks are mire likely to do, move it for a has been?

[ShootingtheJ]

Also, can we stop trying to predict when Giannis will lose it at least until he stops improving?

Anyone who thinks he'll be done at 36 are the same people who erroneously thought his game wouldn't age well. He still hasn't hit his peak yet.

[BigO]

Bucks Out: Brook, 2031 1st (Top-2 protected)
Bucks In: Myles Turner

Pacers Out: Myles Turner, James Wiseman
Pacers In: Gabe Vincent, Jaryd Vanderbilt, Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2031 MIL 1st, 2029 Top-5 protected LA 1st

Lakers Out: Vincent, Vando, JHS, 2029 1st
Lakers In: Brook, Wiseman (waived)

I've coveted Myles Turner for the Bucks for years. But why would the Lakers give up a first for Brook Lopez and not go right for Turner?

[Ron Swanson]

Bucks Out: Brook, 2031 1st (Top-2 protected)
Bucks In: Myles Turner

Pacers Out: Myles Turner, James Wiseman
Pacers In: Gabe Vincent, Jaryd Vanderbilt, Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2031 MIL 1st, 2029 Top-5 protected LA 1st

Lakers Out: Vincent, Vando, JHS, 2029 1st
Lakers In: Brook, Wiseman (waived)

I've coveted Myles Turner for the Bucks for years. But why would the Lakers give up a first for Brook Lopez and not go right for Turner?

They could if they push all their chips in, but the problem is they don't have enough positive value salary pieces without including multiple firsts/swaps. I could see Hachimura, JHS, and two future firsts getting it done, but I'm not sure they actually want to part with more than one pick given their window. Brook is a cheaper alternative and they get to shed a bunch of junk salary. Basically what the Suns did (Ayton for Grayson and Nurkic) to help us facilitate the Dame trade.

[emunney]

Connaughton and '31 pick for Mark Williams and DaQuan Jeffries, cut MarJon.

[yannisk]

sometimes (most times) is better to get a young productive player than getting a lottery pick. What have the Bucks high picks been?

10 Thon Maker
2 Jabari Parker
8 Joe Alexander
10 Brandon Jennings
6 Yi Jianlian
1 Andrew Bogut
8 T. J. Ford

[KidA24]

People need to get realistic ( I know we're on real GM).

RealGM is short for RealisticGM.

And the GM is short for Googily Moogily

[Bernman]

sometimes (most times) is better to get a young productive player than getting a lottery pick. What have the Bucks high picks been?

10 Thon Maker
2 Jabari Parker
8 Joe Alexander
10 Brandon Jennings
6 Yi Jianlian
1 Andrew Bogut
8 T. J. Ford

The wrong results don't justify the wrong process. Get someone better at scouting.

The Bucks also have taken less shots than anyone in that span & beyond. Going back to the early 90's they're the only club who's never made & kept more than a single 1st rd pick in a draft. And they haven't exactly been a model franchise in that span.

You're going to have to tell us how young or productive. Because whoever is going to need to be a running mate for Giannis into that draft yr, or GA's going to leave at some pt during his prime, & someone else will get a high pick to get the next star. Lose-lose.

[BigO]

One more point on Myles Turner.

This is the last year of his contract, just like Lopez. He also earns less than Lopez.

But he's a great rim protector, good rebounder, excellent three point shooter (42% this season) and is switchable on defense. How he makes less than Lopez is beyond me.

[benultimate]

Bucks give: Brook Lopez, 2031 2nd Round Pick
Bucks get: Cam Whitmore, Steven Adams, Johnny Davis

Rockets give: Cam Whitmore, Steven Adams, Jock Landale, 2025 2nd Round Pick
Rockets get: Brook Lopez

Wizards give: Johnny Davis
Wizards get: Jock Landale, 2 x 2nd Round Picks

Keep the 31 1st for a future deal. Bobby likely starts ( ), Adams is cooked but can give you 10-15 backup minutes if you surround him with shooters. Marjon cutty cut cut. Johnny Davis maybe cut too, maybe we can ship Livingston somewhere for a 2nd rounder?

[emunney]

One more point on Myles Turner.

This is the last year of his contract, just like Lopez. He also earns less than Lopez.

But he's a great rim protector, good rebounder, excellent three point shooter (42% this season) and is switchable on defense. How he makes less than Lopez is beyond me.

It's because the Pacers were below the cap when he signed his extension so they were able to put 17m into the year the extension was signed. It was 2 yrs / 60m, but counts less against the cap because of that arrangement.

[DingleJerry]

One more point on Myles Turner.

This is the last year of his contract, just like Lopez. He also earns less than Lopez.

But he's a great rim protector, good rebounder, excellent three point shooter (42% this season) and is switchable on defense. How he makes less than Lopez is beyond me.

And how if you rewind a few years ago this board crapped on him over and over like he sucked and we shouldn't have had him as a target. Think back when he and Sabonis were together and it was obvious one of them had to go, but large minority here bashed him and that he was overpaid. I don't hate Brook or anything but a buy low on Turner back then would be looking really good now.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think you could have ever "bought low" on Turner in the past. Dude was a lottery pick that matched expectations and the Pacers were more than happy to immediately give him two reasonable extensions. But this Pacers team sucks, and outside of the 3PT shooting, his numbers are pretty down this year. Gotta keep rooting for them to suck, but if anything, the time to buy low is probably now.

https://8points9seconds.com/indiana-pacers-fans-uncomfortable-myles-turner-discussion

While there is still time to right the ship, the Pacers have given fans very little reason to believe they can turn things around this season. Instead of potentially competing in the conference finals again, the Pacers are barely in the Play-In picture this late in the season. With Turner hitting unrestricted free agency next summer, it might be time for the team to make one of their hardest decisions in recent history.

Due to the nature of two-year contracts in the NBA, which Turner is currently on, the Pacers big man cannot sign a new extension this season. This has led some to believe the Pacers could benefit from trading Turner to a contender by the trade deadline to acquire some assets in return.